New cancelled points policy and the credit pool

[uscav8r]

This thread on Wyndham's new policy w.r.t. cancelled points being called regular use year points has gotten long and unwieldy:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230333

So I will ask a pointed question regarding the credit pool and cancelled-points-come-regular-use-points-without-a-contract using a specific scenario. Consider the following:

1) I have regular use year points for 2016 (Jan anniversary). I make a reservation for January 2016 during CY2015.

2) I later decide to cancel that ressie. I get the points back as regular use year points, but
2a) I lose ARP and
2b) they will expire at the end of 2016.

So, at some point by 12/31/2015 as a regular or VIP Silver member, would I be able to credit pool those refunded "regular" 2016 points?


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[am1]

This thread on Wyndham's new policy w.r.t. cancelled points being called regular use year points has gotten long and unwieldy:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230333

So I will ask a pointed question regarding the credit pool and cancelled-points-come-regular-use-points-without-a-contract using a specific scenario. Consider the following:

1) I have regular use year points for 2016 (Jan anniversary). I make a reservation for January 2016 during CY2015.

2) I later decide to cancel that ressie. I get the points back as regular use year points, but
2a) I lose ARP and
2b) they will expire at the end of 2016.

So, at some point by 12/31/2015 as a regular or VIP Silver member, would I be able to credit pool those refunded "regular" 2016 points?


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Yes that is the way it will work.

 

[Designerd]

understanding new rules

Thanks as the last posting was getting very long.

I have a question.
- If you booked using 2015 point a 2015 reservation and you cancel the reservation in December - What happens?
- Do the points go back to 2015 regular points?
- If there is not much time left to use 2015 points, can you book a 2016 trip within a 90 day window and use the points?

*Only catch I think if I have still have available 2016 points in my account, it may pull these before it will use the redeposit points.

Thank you

 

[Designerd]

understanding new rules

Thanks as the last posting was getting very long.

I have a question.
- If you booked using 2015 point a 2015 reservation and you cancel the reservation in December - What happens?
- Do the points go back to 2015 regular points?
- If there is not much time left to use 2015 points, can you book a 2016 trip within a 90 day window and use the points?

*Only catch I think if I have still have available 2016 points in my account, it may pull these before it will use the redeposit points.

Thank you

 

[Ty1on]

This thread on Wyndham's new policy w.r.t. cancelled points being called regular use year points has gotten long and unwieldy:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230333

So I will ask a pointed question regarding the credit pool and cancelled-points-come-regular-use-points-without-a-contract using a specific scenario. Consider the following:

1) I have regular use year points for 2016 (Jan anniversary). I make a reservation for January 2016 during CY2015.

2) I later decide to cancel that ressie. I get the points back as regular use year points, but
2a) I lose ARP and
2b) they will expire at the end of 2016.

So, at some point by 12/31/2015 as a regular or VIP Silver member, would I be able to credit pool those refunded "regular" 2016 points?


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The way I understand the member guide supplement, your points will be restored to 2016 Use Year points and be eligible for ARP as long as you are still in the ARP period.

You should be able to credit pool the points, because they were reverted to their original status as Use Year 2016 points.

 

[Ty1on]

Thanks as the last posting was getting very long.

I have a question.
- If you booked using 2015 point a 2015 reservation and you cancel the reservation in December - What happens?
- Do the points go back to 2015 regular points?
- If there is not much time left to use 2015 points, can you book a 2016 trip within a 90 day window and use the points?

*Only catch I think if I have still have available 2016 points in my account, it may pull these before it will use the redeposit points.

Thank you

I think If you cancel a 2015 reservation using 2015 Use Year points, they revert to 2015 Use Year points and will expire at the end of the year. Just as if you had not reserved and cancelled, your only salvation at that point is an RCI deposit, hoping there are remaining bulk deposits for 2015.

 

[Myxdvz]

The way I understand the member guide supplement, your points will be restored to 2016 Use Year points and be eligible for ARP as long as you are still in the ARP period.

You should be able to credit pool the points, because they were reverted to their original status as Use Year 2016 points.

I made an ARP reservation (for 2016) yesterday and I asked the VC what happens to my points if I cancel the ARP reservation at PCB and switch to another resort, if I can use the same points.

She said, they become regular points so they CAN be credit pooled and/or deposited to RCI BUT they can't be used for ARP again.

 

[Bigrob]

The way I understand the member guide supplement, your points will be restored to 2016 Use Year points and be eligible for ARP as long as you are still in the ARP period.

You should be able to credit pool the points, because they were reverted to their original status as Use Year 2016 points.

I don't think they are still eligible for ARP at this point. They become regular use year points not associated to a contract, according to multiple sources at Wyndham.

 

[Ty1on]

I don't think they are still eligible for ARP at this point. They become regular use year points not associated to a contract, according to multiple sources at Wyndham.

From the supplement:

"The Regular Use Year Points expire on your Use Year End date, and may be used for all program features"

 

[Bigrob]

From the supplement:

"The Regular Use Year Points expire on your Use Year End date, and may be used for all program features"

ARP is a feature of either CWA or Club Wyndham Select, rather than Club Wyndham Plus Program per se. Every input (except the first, which proved to be wrong on a couple of facets) I have has indicated the points returned will not be associated to a contract and therefore will have no ARP rights.

 

[Ty1on]

ARP is a feature of either CWA or Club Wyndham Select, rather than Club Wyndham Plus Program per se. Every input (except the first, which proved to be wrong on a couple of facets) I have has indicated the points returned will not be associated to a contract and therefore will have no ARP rights.

Club Wyndham Plus is the umbrella under which CWA and CWS reside. They put it in writing. As I know you know, the member's guide has governance in matters of confusion over rules. The above is officially in the member's guide via supplement.

 

[traveldaddy]

Isn't CWP the internal exchange program and therefore does not include ARP? With ARP associated with the deed/contract and not part of the exchange program?

Just trying to understand and bridge what has been told to folks with the program wording.

Craig

 

[Ty1on]

Isn't CWP the internal exchange program and therefore does not include ARP? With ARP associated with the deed/contract and not part of the exchange program?

Just trying to understand and bridge what has been told to folks with the program wording.

Craig

You may be thinking of Plus Partners.

 

[Myxdvz]

You may be thinking of Plus Partners.

Are you just saying the cancelled points can be used for ARP because of your interpretation of the text? Or have you heard it from a VC?

Because the VCs I've talked to have told me I can't use cancelled points for ARP even though they are "regular" points now.

 

[Ty1on]

Are you just saying the cancelled points can be used for ARP because of your interpretation of the text? Or have you heard it from a VC?

Because the VCs I've talked to have told me I can't use cancelled points for ARP even though they are "regular" points now.

Strictly by the text. I'm sure the VCs are on a learning curve as much as everyone else.

The text is non-ambiguous. All program features.

 

[traveldaddy]

You may be thinking of Plus Partners.

Nope, what I mean is, you have an ARP privelege. You use/lose this privilege when:

1 - You make an ARP reservation
2 - You credit pool the points
3 - you neglect to/choose to go past the 10 month mark (and now effectively pool into the internal trading program)

So when you cancel any reservation, you have already either used your ARP privilege, or waived it by pooling into a different program. ARP can't be 'restored' - it is a use it or lose it item - very much like fixed week. Not sure how ANY program could restore this - the weeks would not add up and someone would lose ARP - there are only 52 weeks in a given unit within a year - i.e. how can Wyn 'restore' ARP after the fact (week/timeline has passed) without taking it from someone else? Maybe I don't see how the math would add up (start the Engineer jokes...)

Again, just trying to square the conflicting info what I've been reading here - don't have a strong opinion on it and it doesn't really affect me that much.

Would be interesting if I could roll forward points and get ARP on rolled forward points at MB though. Just don't see how it would make sense though. There could be enough diveristy in the demand that it might work, but high demand locations would have a problem.

 

[Bigrob]

Nope, what I mean is, you have an ARP privelege. You use/lose this privilege when:

1 - You make an ARP reservation
2 - You credit pool the points
3 - you neglect to/choose to go past the 10 month mark (and now effectively pool into the internal trading program)

So when you cancel any reservation, you have already either used your ARP privilege, or waived it by pooling into a different program. ARP can't be 'restored' - it is a use it or lose it item - very much like fixed week. Not sure how ANY program could restore this - the weeks would not add up and someone would lose ARP - there are only 52 weeks in a given unit within a year - i.e. how can Wyn 'restore' ARP after the fact (week/timeline has passed) without taking it from someone else? Maybe I don't see how the math would add up (start the Engineer jokes...)

Again, just trying to square the conflicting info what I've been reading here - don't have a strong opinion on it and it doesn't really affect me that much.

Would be interesting if I could roll forward points and get ARP on rolled forward points at MB though. Just don't see how it would make sense though. There could be enough diveristy in the demand that it might work, but high demand locations would have a problem.

I don't believe you'll be able to get ARP on points that have been tied up in a reservation and then cancelled and returned. But two VCs I have talked to have said the points will go back to being associated to the contract they came from. Technically speaking, that would mean someone could book an Easter/Spring break reservation, cancel and rebook it (with different points at the 10 month mark) and then re-use the ARP to book a Christmas week.

There are more extreme models than this simple "twice-used" ARP model that make me think this has been considered and that the senior level person Ron P. talked to has it right. I don't think the regular points will get associated to a contract. But we'll see...

 

[traveldaddy]

I don't believe you'll be able to get ARP on points that have been tied up in a reservation and then cancelled and returned. But two VCs I have talked to have said the points will go back to being associated to the contract they came from. Technically speaking, that would mean someone could book an Easter/Spring break reservation, cancel and rebook it (with different points at the 10 month mark) and then re-use the ARP to book a Christmas week.

There are more extreme models than this simple "twice-used" ARP model that make me think this has been considered and that the senior level person Ron P. talked to has it right. I don't think the regular points will get associated to a contract. But we'll see...

Yes, also the comment that points can still be rolled forward with multiple use years after a cancelation could lead to some issues if the scale of this type of activity was large relative to the diversity of the demand within the program.

I may not have the terms/language correct, but you did get what I was thinking and trying to say.

It will be interesting to see how it actually works going forward. Just as interesting will be the incentives/reaction it drives from the big renters and the impact on the little people like myself.

 

[jjmanthei05]

I don't believe you'll be able to get ARP on points that have been tied up in a reservation and then cancelled and returned. But two VCs I have talked to have said the points will go back to being associated to the contract they came from. Technically speaking, that would mean someone could book an Easter/Spring break reservation, cancel and rebook it (with different points at the 10 month mark) and then re-use the ARP to book a Christmas week.

There are more extreme models than this simple "twice-used" ARP model that make me think this has been considered and that the senior level person Ron P. talked to has it right. I don't think the regular points will get associated to a contract. But we'll see...

An extreme example would be using arp at the 10 1/2 month mark. Canceling the reseravation once inside the 10 month mark and pick it up with regular points and rebooking something at the 10 1/2 month mark again. So you could use the points for ARP every 2 weeks or so.

I appologize if this has been asked but I haven't read through the tread because I don't have a week and a half. Does anyone know if the following scenerio still works?

I borrow 2016 points into 2015, cancel the 2015 reservation. do they stay as 2015 or do they revert back to 2016?

Jason

 

[Ty1on]

An extreme example would be using arp at the 10 1/2 month mark. Canceling the reseravation once inside the 10 month mark and pick it up with regular points and rebooking something at the 10 1/2 month mark again. So you could use the points for ARP every 2 weeks or so.

I appologize if this has been asked but I haven't read through the tread because I don't have a week and a half. Does anyone know if the following scenerio still works?

I borrow 2016 points into 2015, cancel the 2015 reservation. do they stay as 2015 or do they revert back to 2016?

Jason

2016. They return to their origin.

 

[jjmanthei05]

If I pool points book and cancel. Do they go back to being pooled?

Jason

 

[Ty1on]

If I pool points book and cancel. Do they go back to being pooled?

Jason

"According the the member guide supplement", they revert back to the credit pool with the expiration date they had when you deposited them.

 

[NHTraveler]

So, it seems a lot of people use the credit pool.

Has there ever been a time where you wanted to book something using your credit pool points and the points were not available?

Is credit pooling more valuable to those folks that use it with the new no cancelled points rule...where the cancelled point become regular and put back in the credit pool without a fee?

I have avoided the whole credit pool thing because I was afraid the pool would be empty when I decided to jump in (make a reservation).

 

[bnoble]

I don't think the pool has run dry since the VIP deadlines were extended. At least, I can't remember a report of it.

 

[ronparise]

I credit pool everything, and never a problem