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Navy says destroyer captain removed after lying to San Diego fleet command about ship's position

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That's a weird one. But I expect this man will never be given a ship to command again. His career is done.

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What a Buffoon. CAPT Queeg (Caine Mutiny) or CAPT Morton (Mr Roberts) come to mind.

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A guided missile destroyer dead in the water is not good. Where were the other ships sailing with this ship? How many more Naval officers have been relieved of duty in the past year.? The Navy is spending a lot money training officers to be Captain of their ships. Think about the number of years of experience that have been loss with this guided missile Captain and the Captain on the nuclear aircraft carriers that been relieved of command at sea. I feel something is wrong with our current military system.

Admiral Rickover and Z would be total upsets with these Navy actions. IMHO.
 

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Why he felt he had to lie/hide the truth is strange in the first place.

Maybe, the current Navy high command does not want to hear the truth.

Everything sure be 100% operational, with no personnel, or ship problems on every naval vessel.
 

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The thing this brings to mind is a question of how many other times this Captain did something similar? Did he ever falsify reports? Did he ever put his crew in jeopardy? That the story was leaked to the media soon after the ship returned to port indicates somebody on the ship wasn't happy with the way things were being managed. There is more to this story than has been reported.

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This Captain deserved to be relieved. In fact he should have been keel hauled.
 

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The thing this brings to mind is a question of how many other times this Captain did something similar? Did he ever falsify reports? Did he ever put his crew in jeopardy? That the story was leaked to the media soon after the ship returned to port indicates somebody on the ship wasn't happy with the way things were being managed. There is more to this story than has been reported.

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Why did this Captain turned off his electronics tracking equipment to the fleet?
You are dead stop in the ocean for hours. No one, in the 3th fleet command knows where you are.

There is a lot more to this story than has been released. What did he hit to damage the propeller shaft?
 
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The thing this brings to mind is a question of how many other times this Captain did something similar? Did he ever falsify reports? Did he ever put his crew in jeopardy? That the story was leaked to the media soon after the ship returned to port indicates somebody on the ship wasn't happy with the way things were being managed. There is more to this story than has been reported.

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Dave, what are your thoughts about what is going on with Navy leadership? I didn’t serve and I don’t really don’t have an opinion but it seems like the past few years, there is story after story of failure of leadership and I’m pretty sure they go back over the past 2 or 3 administrations. Do you know if this is unique to the Navy or are the other services also affected and they just keep it quieter somehow? I’m just curious about your thoughts about why this continues to occur.
 

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If the ship had hit something to damage the propeller, they would have been out of commission for more than a few hours, and they likely wouldn’t have been able to repair it in the middle of the ocean. My guess is that it was a calibration issue, that they could repair from inside the ship.

As to Navy leadership, I think that’s always been this way for all branches of military, police, fire, whoever. What is different now is social media brings everything to the world’s attention. What was once kept private now becomes public.

As I said earlier, what this Captain did was strange.

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If the ship had hit something to damage the propeller, they would have been out of commission for more than a few hours, and they likely wouldn’t have been able to repair it in the middle of the ocean. My guess is that it was a calibration issue, that they could repair from inside the ship.

As to Navy leadership, I think that’s always been this way for all branches of military, police, fire, whoever. What is different now is social media brings everything to the world’s attention. What was once kept private now becomes public.

As I said earlier, what this Captain did was strange.

Dave

Excellent point that we (I) often forget. It is almost impossible to keep anything secret these days.

Thanks for your perspective.


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As to Navy leadership, I think that’s always been this way for all branches of military, police, fire, whoever. What is different now is social media brings everything to the world’s attention. What was once kept private now becomes public.

Dave

I have always thought that if Twitter, Instagram, etc etc etc had never been invented, the world would be a better place. OTOH, if I hadn’t gone bald, I would look younger. Both of these are just wishful thinking, unfortunately.

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I have always thought that if Twitter, Instagram, etc etc etc had never been invented, the world would be a better place. OTOH, if I hadn’t gone bald, I would look younger. Both of these are just wishful thinking, unfortunately.

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I agree 100% But, You forgot one thing the internet. You can have instant news & photos of incident in .000001 second.
 

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Also do away with video on cellular telephones.
 

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DaveNW, excellent point . Is a calibration problem that big of an issue for Navy brass or is there more to the story?
Could this Captain have send a coded message; Explaining his action/decision and what he was doing and why and the ship was not moving?


If the ship had hit something to damage the propeller, they would have been out of commission for more than a few hours, and they likely wouldn’t have been able to repair it in the middle of the ocean. My guess is that it was a calibration issue, that they could repair from inside the ship.

As to Navy leadership, I think that’s always been this way for all branches of military, police, fire, whoever. What is different now is social media brings everything to the world’s attention. What was once kept private now becomes public.

As I said earlier, what this Captain did was strange.

Dave
 

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DaveNW, excellent point . Is a calibration problem that big of an issue for Navy brass or is there more to the story?
Could this Captain have send a coded message; Explaining his action/decision and what he was doing and why and the ship was not moving?

Yes, he could easily have told his chain of command what they were doing, and why they were doing it. If it was legitimate, the higher-ups would have said, "Ok, do what needs to be done and keep us posted." The ship fixed it and got underway again in a few hours, so then he could have said, "We're good to go now, and back on schedule. Full details to follow." End of story. But it didn't happen that way.

Unless he was trying to hide something, why else would they do this sort of thing? For example, was this propeller issue related to something they'd had previous issues with, and that was supposed to have been repaired? Would the chain of command think badly of this Captain for this issue occurring again? Did it happen due to something negligent he was doing with the ship? Did it stop working correctly due to something this Captain was responsible for? No way of knowing any of it. But for him to try and cover his tracks by hiding the ship's operational status like that just seems really weird. Navy ships and Navy Captains just don't DO that sort of thing. Satellites and submarines track and report ship movements, and somebody somewhere would have surely caught on to things being out of sync. Then he'd have even more explaining to do. So the reasons why he did this aren't easily explained. As I said, there is more to this story than is being reported. We also may never hear the whole story.

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Yes, he could easily have told his chain of command what they were doing, and why they were doing it. If it was legitimate, the higher-ups would have said, "Ok, do what needs to be done and keep us posted." The ship fixed it and got underway again in a few hours, so then he could have said, "We're good to go now, and back on schedule. Full details to follow." End of story. But it didn't happen that way.

Unless he was trying to hide something, why else would they do this sort of thing? For example, was this propeller issue related to something they'd had previous issues with, and that was supposed to have been repaired? Would the chain of command think badly of this Captain for this issue occurring again? Did it happen due to something negligent he was doing with the ship? Did it stop working correctly due to something this Captain was responsible for? No way of knowing any of it. But for him to try and cover his tracks by hiding the ship's operational status like that just seems really weird. Navy ships and Navy Captains just don't DO that sort of thing. Satellites and submarines track and report ship movements, and somebody somewhere would have surely caught on to things being out of sync. Then he'd have even more explaining to do. So the reasons why he did this aren't easily explained. As I said, there is more to this story than is being reported. We also may never hear the whole story.

Dave
Maybe he detoured to do a drug dropoff. :devilish:
 
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