MVC points for DVC?

[iftravel]

What is the cost to use club points for DVC?It’s probably more expansive than a deeded week, but curious how much more expansive.

 

[Pamplemousse]

You would exchange abound points directly on II for an available DVC unit or place a request.
There are some units available now for August-those 2br are 3000 points.
Points needed will vary by season and unit size.
You will need to pay the usual fees to II.

You could also have MVC convert your Abound points into a week of the size and season of your choosing deposit that into II and then do a week exchange/ request into DVC.
Since weeks can exchange into other season and there are often size upgrades available for a fee that could be less expensive.

If you own a week in a location other than Orlando you can exchange that through II into DVC.

 

[iftravel]

You would exchange abound points directly on II for an available DVC unit or place a request.
There are some units available now for August-those 2br are 3000 points.
Points needed will vary by season and unit size.
You will need to pay the usual fees to II.

You could also have MVC convert your Abound points into a week of the size and season of your choosing and then do a week exchange/ request into DVC.
Since weeks can exchange into other season and there are often size upgrades available for a fee that could be less expensive.

If you own a week in a location other than Orlando you can exchange that through II into DVC.

Thanks for great intro. At 0.7 per point MF it’s roughly 2100 for a 2-bd week at DVC, not a bad value (DVC points booking would triple that cost). Right now the August DVC inventory doesn’t need much trading power and even a free AC can exchange into. For your second great idea of converting points to a week, and then deposit and exchange into DVC, I am curious what is the cheapest week with lowest points to book. I have a feeling this lowest Marriott week (likely a studio) can also see a lot of DVC inventory. Anyone has some insight if this is doable?

 

[Pamplemousse]

Thanks for great intro. At 0.7 per point MF it’s roughly 2100 for a 2-bd week at DVC, not a bad value (DVC points booking would triple that cost). Right now the August DVC inventory doesn’t need much trading power and even a free AC can exchange into. For your second great idea of converting points to a week, and then deposit and exchange into DVC, I am curious what is the cheapest week with lowest points to book. I have a feeling this lowest Marriott week (likely a studio) can also see a lot of DVC inventory. Anyone has some insight if this is doable?

You can see the conversion chart on the owners site under use points, interval international.
The ease of booking will vary by season/TDI.
You can request with the week and it is good for 2 years in II.

 

[iftravel]

You can see the conversion chart on the owners site under use points, interval international.
The ease of booking will vary by season/TDI.
You can request with the week and it is good for 2 years in II.

Yeah I just discovered some summer Mountain studio weeks for as low as 400 club points. If those can see current DVC inventory, they can be tremendous values. BTW, it just made me wonder if people can exploit it to always “trade up” instead of booking with more points? Does MVC block this converted Marriott week to Marriott trade?

 

[Pamplemousse]

Yeah I just discovered some summer Mountain studio weeks for as low as 400 club points. If those can see current DVC inventory, they can be tremendous values. BTW, it just made me wonder if people can exploit it to always “trade up” instead of booking with more points? Does MVC block this converted Marriott week to Marriott trade?

Abound points or weeks derived from points can’t be exchange into Abound properties via II.

II is used to access things you can’t book directly within Abound.

 

[iftravel]

Abound points or weeks derived from points can’t be exchange into Abound properties via II.

II is used to access things you can’t book directly within Abound.

I was browsing some old threads on this and a converted Marriott week can exchange into Vistana/Sheraton/Westin with no fee(which could be booked with club points too). Is it still true? Feels like a loophole that will be plugged.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I was browsing some old threads on this and a converted Marriott week can exchange into Vistana/Sheraton/Westin with no fee(which could be booked with club points too). Is it still true? Feels like a loophole that will be plugged.

No, not anymore.
That used to be allowed- in fact I did it.

What are you trying to accomplish here?
Sounded like you were looking to stay at DVC.
Do you have points that are expiring?

 

[dioxide45]

This chart applies to DVC just as it does exchanging to any other property through II;

 

[dioxide45]

I was browsing some old threads on this and a converted Marriott week can exchange into Vistana/Sheraton/Westin with no fee(which could be booked with club points too). Is it still true? Feels like a loophole that will be plugged.

That applied before Vistana was rolled into Abound in August 2022. Once they allowed Abound Club Point reservations into Vistana properties, they blocked Abound Point exchange through II into Vistana properties.

 

[iftravel]

No, not anymore.
That used to be allowed- in fact I did it.

What are you trying to accomplish here?
Sounded like you were looking to stay at DVC.
Do you have points that are expiring?

Got it thanks a lot. Not yet a MVC owner yet. I’m trying to figure out weeks vs points. For roughly the same MF and buy in cost, I could either get 2000 club points or a deeded week. People here seem to like deeded LO weeks more than club points. I’m trying to figure out if 2000 club points can do more than a LO deeded week. It could, if you book some absolutely lowest season weeks to trade in II (up to 5-6 weeks for 2000 points) but I don’t know what they can pull out. DVC is a test for this strategy.

 

[dioxide45]

Got it thanks a lot. Not yet a MVC owner yet. I’m trying to figure out weeks vs points. For roughly the same MF and buy in cost, I could either get 2000 club points or a deeded week. People here seem to like deeded LO weeks more than club points. I’m trying to figure out if 2000 club points can do more than a LO deeded week. It could, if you book some absolutely lowest season weeks to trade in II (up to 5-6 weeks for 2000 points) but I don’t know what they can pull out. DVC is a test for this strategy.

If you are buying primarily to trade, then don't even consider points since you are locked out of Abound resorts. For pure value, a deeded lock off week will be best. 2,000 points is only worth 2,000 points. We own two deeded weeks that give us 4,125 points but regularly exchange through II into resorts/units/weeks that would cost us almost 10,000 points. I made a video about our usage in 2023 and how many points it would cost vs how many points our weeks were worth.

 

[iftravel]

If you are buying primarily to trade, then don't even consider points since you are locked out of Abound resorts. For pure value, a deeded lock off week will be best. 2,000 points is only worth 2,000 points. We own two deeded weeks that give us 4,125 points but regularly exchange through II into resorts/units/weeks that would cost us almost 10,000 points. I made a video about our usage in 2023 and how many points it would cost vs how many points our weeks were worth.

Yeah makes sense for your example. But if you could spend as low as 400 points to book a week and deposit to II and trade into DVC, would it beat using a deeded week?

 

[dioxide45]

Yeah makes sense for your example. But if you could spend as low as 400 points to book a week and deposit to II and trade into DVC, would it beat using a deeded week?

But you can't book a week with points and deposit that into II for a trade. You can only trade pure points through II using the chart I referenced in post #9.

 

[dioxide45]

To add, you could potentially deposit a week placeholder worth 1,000 points (studio low) and then use that to exchange through II. That may come out a little bit ahead of where I am at with my weeks. But the costs are the same and there isn't as much flexibility as I can, and always do, use my weeks for Marriott exchanges as well. The DVC options are too limited, only about 5 resorts with two probably getting about 80% (OKW & SSR) of the deposits in II.

 

[iftravel]

But you can't book a week with points and deposit that into II for a trade. You can only trade pure points through II using the chart I referenced in post #9.

Yes you can. You missed the point Pamplemousse made. You can call Marriott and book a week you specify and deposit into II.

 

[dioxide45]

Yes you can. You missed the point Pamplemousse made. You can call Marriott and book a week you specify and deposit into II.

You misunderstood @Pamplemousse comment. Yes, you can convert points to an actual deposit, but the points used need to match the chart in post #9. So the minimum amount of points you can use is 1,000. You don't actually book a week for deposit using points.

 

[iftravel]

You misunderstood @Pamplemousse comment. Yes, you can convert points to an actual deposit, but the points used need to match the chart in post #9. So the minimum amount of points you can use is 1,000. You don't actually book a week for deposit using points.

Got it. I cannot get a garbage week for lower than 1000 points - a deal breaker.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Yes you can. You missed the point Pamplemousse made. You can call Marriott and book a week you specify and deposit into II.

Dioxide is correct, you misunderstand.
i said in #2 you can have MVC convert points into a week to deposit into II.
then in #4 I told you where to find the conversion chart.
then dioxide posted the chart in #9.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Got it thanks a lot. Not yet a MVC owner yet. I’m trying to figure out weeks vs points. For roughly the same MF and buy in cost, I could either get 2000 club points or a deeded week. People here seem to like deeded LO weeks more than club points. I’m trying to figure out if 2000 club points can do more than a LO deeded week. It could, if you book some absolutely lowest season weeks to trade in II (up to 5-6 weeks for 2000 points) but I don’t know what they can pull out. DVC is a test for this strategy.

I’ll add here that I don’t think this is a one size fits all system.
What’s best for you will depend on what you want to do and what you are looking to maximize.
What works best may even change over time.

If you buy a resale lockoff you can deposit the 1br & studio into II and exchange for 2 weeks.
But you need to buy an II membership, pay exchange fees, pay lock off, pay upsize for larger units if they are available/you need, consider eplus.
An exchange is not guaranteed, view is not guaranteed on an exchange and you will likely get a less desirable room within your view if it is honored (totally up to the resort).
But you get 2 weeks for 1 maintenance fee and you can exchange up (or down) in season.

With points you can book exactly what you want and you can bank points a year ahead and also borrow points from next year if needed, plus you can rent points if you are short some year. An II membership comes with your club dues.

I have an enrolled week purchased many years ago- to me that is the best of both world. But it can’t be accomplished inexpensively anymore.

Great that you are doing research in advance and found tug.

 

[dioxide45]

Got it. I cannot get a garbage week for lower than 1000 points - a deal breaker.

There will be other systems or properties that can be a better use for exchanging into DVC via II. That said, it is usually foolhardy to buy for the primary purpose of exchanging into a single resort or system. DVC has changed exchange companies twice. What works today may not work in the future. Trade power changes all the time, so what works this year may not work next year. Owning Marriott to exchange into Marriott works fairly consistently because of the exchange priority provided to Marriott owners exchanging into other Marriott resorts. Using Marriott to exchange outside of Marriott is kind of an expensive proposition.

 

[Dean]

There will be other systems or properties that can be a better use for exchanging into DVC via II. That said, it is usually foolhardy to buy for the primary purpose of exchanging into a single resort or system. DVC has changed exchange companies twice. What works today may not work in the future. Trade power changes all the time, so what works this year may not work next year. Owning Marriott to exchange into Marriott works fairly consistently because of the exchange priority provided to Marriott owners exchanging into other Marriott resorts. Using Marriott to exchange outside of Marriott is kind of an expensive proposition.

I agree and not to be nit picky but they have actually changed 3 times. From RCI to II early, from II to RCI and now back to II. They also have their own registered exchange company, Buena Vista Exchange Company. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out on their own at some point and forego II and RCI completely.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I agree and not to be nit picky but they have actually changed 3 times. From RCI to II early, from II to RCI and now back to II. They also have their own registered exchange company, Buena Vista Exchange Company. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out on their own at some point and forego II and RCI completely.

I wonder where the deposits will come from, if they made their own exchange company. How would people get anywhere other than Disney World, Vero, HH, Disneyland and Oahu. Isn't that what they already have with points that you can use for any resort in the system, as long as you can find availability.

I think RCI is hurting bigtime after Disney left them. The exchange fees went up so drastically since that announcement 3 years ago. Was it that long ago?

 

[iftravel]

I wonder where the deposits will come from, if they made their own exchange company. How would people get anywhere other than Disney World, Vero, HH, Disneyland and Oahu. Isn't that what they already have with points that you can use for any resort in the system, as long as you can find availability.

I think RCI is hurting bigtime after Disney left them. The exchange fees went up so drastically since that announcement 3 years ago. Was it that long ago?

RCI should lower their fees since they lost DVC. 90% of their inventory is not even worth the exchange fees.

 

[Dean]

I wonder where the deposits will come from, if they made their own exchange company. How would people get anywhere other than Disney World, Vero, HH, Disneyland and Oahu. Isn't that what they already have with points that you can use for any resort in the system, as long as you can find availability.

I think RCI is hurting bigtime after Disney left them. The exchange fees went up so drastically since that announcement 3 years ago. Was it that long ago?

They've actually done this to some degree over the years partnering at various times with Shell, Club Intrawest and Club Cordial. Obviously it'd take more broad partnerships to go this route completely. MVC would have been the obvious choice but given there tie in to II, that would be difficult currently even as a secondary player. No one in their right mind owns DVC mainly to exchange. Historically the numbers that exchange on a given year have been in the range of 1-2% and many of those were by default such as lose or use points. In many ways RCI was a better fit for DVC given their points structure.