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I'm not surprised about Sheraton Vistana - they recently had a huge special assessment announced. :eek:
 

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If you really want to spend a lot more time, you could list by percentage of units/shares. Might give a different picture, e.g. 10% of resort A vs 50% of resort B even though resort A has more units listed for sale.;)

In any event, I encourage you to keep the lists current.

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Very Interesting

What I find most revealing is that the US West (meaning, primarily, California) and Florida are at the top of the list for TS for Sale. No coincidence that Florida and California rank #1 and #2 in the country for bank foreclosures on subprime mortgages. I wonder how many timeshares were purchased in the first half of this decade from home equity loans on those homes purchased with subprime loans.

Thanks for your research!
 

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This is great info and the idea of keeping it updated would interest many, I am sure, me to start with !
 

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one item to note is that when we release v 2.0 of the TUG member only section....you will be able to view the classified ad history of every resort right on the resort review page.

itll show the info of the for sale or for rent ad, the price..and if it sold or not!
 

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one item to note is that when we release v 2.0 of the TUG member only section....you will be able to view the classified ad history of every resort right on the resort review page.

itll show the info of the for sale or for rent ad, the price..and if it sold or not!
Great idea.

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figured id do an end of 2008 recap of these just for historical purposes!

For Rent by Area:

1. Mexico ~1500 ads
2. USA West ~800 ads
3. Caribbean ~500 ads
4. FL Gulf Coast / Orlando ~500 ads
5. Hawaii ~400 ads

For Sale listings by Area

1. USA West ~1000 ads
2. FL Gulf Coast / Orlando - ~800 ads
3. Mexico ~600 ads
4. USA Southeast ~400 ads
5. FL East Coast / Keys - ~400 ads

For Rent by Resort

1. Royal Sands - ~300 ads
2. Royal Caribbean ~200 ads
3. Royal Islander ~150 ads
4. Royal Mayan ~100 ads
5. Royal Haciendas ~100 ads
(and since these are likely from brokers...heres the rest of the top 10 that all have between 50 and 100 ads each)
6. Aruba Surf Club
7. Harborside Atlantis
8. Sheraton Vistana
9. Pueblo Bonito Resort at sunset beach
10. Wyndham/Fairfield Grand Desert

For Sale by resort (all have between 40 and 100 ads)

1. Royal Sands
2. Orange Lake Country Club
3. Sheraton Vistana
4. Westgate VAcation villas
5. Pelican Resort Club
6. Marriott's Maui Ocean Club
7. Royal Islander
8. Royal Caribbean
9. Westgate Lakes Resort and Spa
10. Manhattan Club


Also to note, we had over 500 completed listings since July 07!
 

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Very interesting! Thanks for the info! :)
 

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What I find most revealing is that the US West (meaning, primarily, California) and Florida are at the top of the list for TS for Sale. No coincidence that Florida and California rank #1 and #2 in the country for bank foreclosures on subprime mortgages. I wonder how many timeshares were purchased in the first half of this decade from home equity loans on those homes purchased with subprime loans.

Thanks for your research!
Doesn't it just correlate to which states have the most timeshare units in the system?

If someone takes a subprime loan, how do they get home equity? Don't they by definition put very little money down and therefore have almost no home equity? I guess it would be possible for subprime loans taken in 2000-2003 for some of those homes to increase in value and then those owners take the equity out by re-financing or getting a home equity loan.

What could also have happened is that timeshare purchasers simply took home equity loans and financed their purchases with HELOCs early in the decade. Not necessarily sub prime, but spent equity that really wasn't there. That could very well be.
 

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How do these figures correlate to TUG Membership?

Yes, I know, I need to join sometime. Maybe after I get through this "heck"acious weekend that follows a previous one that followed not having power for four days........................................

BTW, I'm not asking for sympathy, these things happen to everyone.

I am interested in BocaBum's suggestion and how the figures correlate to TUG Membership.

:)
 

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From my experience the Royals rent very well. For us the weeks we don't use I rent out instead of exchanging or depositing. In other words the Royals have cash value. This year we're going to Belize instead and so I did some searching and it looked better for us to rent out all our weeks and pay cash in Belize. I think another interesting number would be number of weeks deposited per year for a resort as compared to the number listed to rent.
 

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How do these figures correlate to TUG Membership?

Yes, I know, I need to join sometime. Maybe after I get through this "heck"acious weekend that follows a previous one that followed not having power for four days........................................

BTW, I'm not asking for sympathy, these things happen to everyone.

I am interested in BocaBum's suggestion and how the figures correlate to TUG Membership.

:)

not quite sure what you mean Bwolf?

These are just the stats from the marketplace as of the end of the year, the only link they would have to TUG membership, is that every ad posted in the marketplace is done so by a TUG member.
 

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not quite sure what you mean Bwolf?

These are just the stats from the marketplace as of the end of the year, the only link they would have to TUG membership, is that every ad posted in the marketplace is done so by a TUG member.
Sorry about that.

Is there a way to tell if the TUG member is from a certain part of the country and the timeshare located elsewhere?

That is somewhat different from BocaBum's suggestion that the figures correlate to which states have the most timeshare units in the system.

Also, it seems not too many members of TUG own at Pollard Brook, Sanibel Beach Club I, or Cape Winds. So, I think the figures are likely to represent the membership of TUG, which may be overloaded with owners at Royal Sands, Royal Caribbean, etc. while other resorts are underrepresented.
 

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ahha...ok that makes sense.

and while im sure there is a way to correlate the two, the amount of time and effort required to massage all that data would be tremendous.

Also its important to note that less than half of the registered TUGBBS users, are paying TUG members.

conversely, there are a good number of TUG members who dont participate on the forums. So its not unreasonable to assume that we have a very wide selection fo owners from all resorts listed in the marketplace.

only a fraction of a % of tug members are considered brokers. and less than 5% of the ads posted, are posted by brokers. This leaves the vast majority of the ads that are posted, are posted by the owners of said resorts.
 

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few more tidbits

top 25 SOLD resorts on TUG

1 13826 For Sale Harborside Resort at Atlantis
2 14075 For Sale Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
3 14025 For Sale Marriott's Grande Vista
4 13881 For Sale Marriott's Maui Ocean Club
5 10352 For Sale Pelican Resort Club
6 10860 For Sale Orange Lake Country Club
7 11199 For Sale Pueblo Bonito Resort Los Cabos
8 11058 For Sale Marriott's Desert Springs Villas
9 10483 For Sale Courtyard Resort
10 14248 For Sale Royal Sands, The
11 10745 For Sale Sheraton Vistana Resort
12 10943 For Sale Sands Beach Club
13 11538 For Sale Sudwala Lodge
14 13901 For Sale Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
15 12960 For Sale Shell Vacations Club at The Kona Coast Resort II
16 10657 For Sale Charter Club Resort of Naples Bay
17 13855 For Sale Hyatt Piñon Pointe
18 12439 For Sale Kaanapali Beach Club, a Sunterra Premier Resort
19 14237 For Sale Royal Islander, The
20 12431 For Sale Riverview Resort Condominium
21 10085 For Sale Paradise Isle Resort
22 10244 For Sale Pueblo Bonito Resort
23 13998 For Sale Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club
24 14034 For Sale Marriott's Kauai Beach Club
25 14033 For Sale Marriott's Ko Olina Beach Club

Top 25 RENTED on TUG

1 14248 For Rent Royal Sands, The
2 14237 For Rent Royal Islander, The
3 14207 For Rent Royal Caribbean, The
4 14693 For Rent Royal Haciendas, The
5 12938 For Rent Wyndham / Fairfield Grand Desert
6 11386 For Rent Royal Mayan, The
7 13826 For Rent Harborside Resort at Atlantis
8 13112 For Rent Wyndham Bonnet Creek
9 13901 For Rent Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
10 10745 For Rent Sheraton Vistana Resort
11 14220 For Rent Ridge Tahoe - A Quintus Resort, The
12 12122 For Rent Pueblo Bonito Rose Spa & Resort
13 10114 For Rent Historic Powhatan Resort
14 13400 For Rent Grand Mayan Riviera Maya, The
15 14566 For Rent Fairfield Atlantic City at Skyline Tower
16 12093 For Rent Manhattan Club, The
17 13995 For Rent Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club
18 14056 For Rent Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
19 13897 For Rent Marriott's Ocean Pointe
20 12900 For Rent Morritt's Grand Resort
21 10860 For Rent Orange Lake Country Club
22 14740 For Rent Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas North
23 14466 For Rent Westin Kierland Villas
24 12923 For Rent Wyndham Ocean Walk
25 11506 For Rent Wyndham Sea Gardens
 

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Whew! Thanks. That's what I was hoping that the top ts's with rental listings are also tops with successful rentals. Thanks for posting.
 

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Brian,
Just curious, how do you know if it was rented from an ad on TUG? I removed mine after it rented (from another website), but I didn't see any place to specify where it was rented when I removed it from the listings.
Thx.
 

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they are just completed ads, just like any other site there is no way to tell if the rental was obtained through the site or not.
 

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factoids as of Aug 2009!


Top 25 Resorts listed for sale on TUG.

1 Royal Sands, The
2 Orange Lake Country Club
3 Sheraton Vistana Resort
4 Westgate Vacation Villas
5 Harborside Resort at Atlantis
6 Royal Caribbean, The
7 Royal Islander, The
8 Marriott's Maui Ocean Club
9 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
10 Royal Haciendas, The
11 Pelican Resort Club
12 Manhattan Club, The
13 Historic Powhatan Resort (was: Sunterra Powhatan P
14 Westgate Lakes Resort and Spa
15 Marriott's Desert Springs Villas
16 Liki Tiki Village
17 Pueblo Bonito Resort At Sunset Beach
18 Marriott's Grande Vista
19 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas North
20 Summer Bay Resort
21 Vacation Village at Parkway
22 Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
23 Morritt's Tortuga Club
24 Mystic Dunes Resort & Golf Club
25 Marriott's Kauai Beach Club


Top 25 COMPLETED for sale ads on TUG


1 Pueblo Bonito Resort at Sunset Beach
2 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
3 Foxrun
4 Sheraton Vistana Villages
5 Marriott's Desert Springs Villas
6 Marriott's Kauai Beach Club
7 Hilton Head Island Links Resort
8 Resort on Cocoa Beach
9 Marriott's Barony Beach Club
10 Pueblo Bonito Emerald Bay
11 Hacienda del Mar Resort
12 Hacienda Encantada
13 Pueblo Bonito Resort Los Cabos
14 Topsider I Resort
15 Vacation Village at Parkway
16 Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, The
17 Westgate Park City Resort and Spa
18 Westgate Smoky Mountain Resort at Gatlinburg
19 Twin Rivers Condominiums
20 Red Wolf Lakeside Lodge
21 Westin Kierland Villas
22 Whiski Jack at Tyndall Stone Lodge
23 Willow Valley Resort
24 Wolf Run Manor at Treasure Lake
25 Harder Hall Lakeside Villas


Top 10 For sale listings by resort area

1 USA West
2 FL - Gulf Coast / Orlando
3 Mexico
4 USA Southeast
5 Hawaii
6 Caribbean
7 FL - East Coast / Keys
8 USA Northeast
9 USA Central


Top 10 COMPLETED for sale listings by area

1 FL - Gulf Coast / Orlando
2 Mexico
3 USA West
4 USA Southeast
5 Hawaii
6 FL - East Coast / Keys
7 USA Northeast
8 Caribbean
9 USA Central
10 Canada
 
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Top 25 Resorts listed FOR RENT on TUG

1 Royal Sands, The
2 Royal Caribbean, The
3 Royal Islander, The
4 Royal Mayan, The
5 Royal Haciendas, The
6 Harborside Resort at Atlantis
7 Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
8 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
9 Pueblo Bonito Resort at Sunset Beach
10 Sheraton Vistana Resort
11 Wyndham Bonnet Creek
12 Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club
13 Grand Mayan Nuevo Vallarta, The
14 Marriott's Ocean Pointe
15 Marriott's Desert Springs Villas
16 Pueblo Bonito Rose Spa & Resort
17 Grand Mayan Riviera Maya, The
18 Manhattan Club, The
19 Wyndham / Fairfield Grand Desert
20 Marriott's Maui Ocean Club
21 Sheraton Desert Oasis
22 Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
23 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas North
24 Hacienda del Mar Resort
25 Marriott's Grande Vista


Top 25 Completed Rentals on TUG

1 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
2 Royal Haciendas, The
3 Royal Mayan, The
4 Royal Sands, The
5 Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
6 Harborside Resort at Atlantis
7 Royal Caribbean, The
8 Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas North
9 Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club
10 Marriott's Grande Ocean
11 Historic Powhatan Resort
12 Grand Mayan Nuevo Vallarta, The
13 Wyndham Myrtle Beach at Ocean Blvd
14 Royal Islander, The
15 Marriott's SurfWatch
16 Hilton Grand Vacations Club at SeaWorld Intnl Ctr
17 Four Seasons Residence Club Aviara
18 Fairfield Westwinds at Myrtle Beach
19 Hilton Grand Vacations Club at the Hilton Hawaiian
20 Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
21 Marriott's Barony Beach Club
22 Marriott's OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes
23 Marriott's Kauai Beach Club
24 Morritt's Grand Resort
25 Ocean Palms Resort at Port Royal


Top 10 Rentals listed by resort area

1 Mexico
2 USA West
3 FL - Gulf Coast / Orlando
4 Caribbean
5 Hawaii
6 USA Southeast
7 FL - East Coast / Keys
8 USA Northeast
9 USA Central
10 Canada
 
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what do these numbers mean?

1.13826 For Sale Harborside Resort at Atlantis
2.14075 For Sale Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
3,14025 What do these numbers mean? I know the ranking number, but not what the 13826 or 14075 numbers mean?
 

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1.13826 For Sale Harborside Resort at Atlantis
2.14075 For Sale Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
3,14025 What do these numbers mean? I know the ranking number, but not what the 13826 or 14075 numbers mean?
THey are the TUG resort ID # and have been edited out of the post.
 

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yea, sorry about that, the cut/paste displays the TUG resort id as well. (5 digit number)
 

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Figured id do a 2/2010 update here...been about 6 months since the last one.

Ill try to keep the same format from now on.

Anyway, after over 57,000 ads submitted to the marketplace...here are some quick facts.

Resorts with the most FOR SALE ads submitted:

1. Royal Sands
2. Orange Lake Country Club
3. Sheraton Vistana
4. Royal Haciendas
5. Westgate Vacation Villas
6. Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
7. Royal Islander
8. Harborside Atlantis
9. Royal Caribbean
10. Marriott Maui Ocean Club

Top 5 Resorts SOLD

1. Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas North
2. Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas
3. Marriott's Kauai Beach Club
4. Orange Lake Country Club
5. Marriott's Shadow Ridge


Resorts with the most FOR RENT ads submitted:

1. Royal Sands
2. Royal Caribbean
3. Royal Islander
4. Royal Mayan
5. Royal Haciendas
6. Harborside Atlantis
7. Marriott Aruba Surf Club
8. Sheraton Vistana
9. Westin Ka'anapali Ocen Resort Villas
10. Pueblo Bonito Resort at Sunset Beach

Top 5 resorts RENTED:

1. Royal Sands
2. Royal Haciendas
3. Royal Caribbean
4. Royal Islander
5. Harborside Atlantis

Region with the most For Sale Ads

1. US West
2. Florida Gulf coast and orlando
3. mexico
4. USA Southeast
5. Hawaii

Top Regions for completed Resales:

1. usa west
2. hawaii
3. fl - gulf coast/orlando
4. usa southeast
5. mexico

Region with the most FOR RENT ads

1. mexico
2. usa west
3. FL - Gulf Coast/Orlando
4. Caribbean
5. Hawaii


Completed rentals:


1. mexico
2. caribbean
3. usa west
4. hawaii
5. usa southeast
 
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