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Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems

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Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems - by Gordon Kelly/ Tech/ Forbes/ forbes.com

"Windows 7 runs on 55% of all the computers on the planet, but according to news this week that is actually a bad and potentially dangerous thing. Says who? Actually Microsoft MSFT -1.82%…

Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software and hardware compatibility, security and more..."


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Clearly Microsoft is trying to scare people into switching to Windows 10. Not me. I don't scare easily.

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Clearly Microsoft is trying to scare people into switching to Windows 10. Not me. I don't scare easily.

George

George, why should it matter one iota to Microsoft what operating system you use? You presumable paid for the Win7 OS when you bought your computer. You have paid Microsoft nothing for it since then. Windows 10 is free. You won't pay anything for it until the clock runs out for their free offer. If that happens you'll pay for Win10 when your old laptop fails and you replace it.

If there is anything to be scared of, it's that your old laptop survives until after the free upgrade period ends.

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At my age I like staying in my comfort zone which is Windows7. I replace laptops every 3 to 5 years when mine is no longer repairable on the cheap which is usually in the 3 to 5 years time frame as I buy near the lower end (my current Asus cost me $375 as I had to pay up to avoid Windows8). Next time I do this I will no doubt be buying one with Windows10 installed. That is soon enough for me.

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I have a 2 year old laptop that was and is on Windows 7. I upgraded to Windows 10 the first day it was made available. Mistake. The laptop ran very hot immediately and was constantly hanging. My guess is that it was under powered (slow processor and/low in memory). I resorted to buying a new laptop (Windows 8 with a label that indicated free Windows 10 upgrade) and decided to wipe the old laptop clean before disposing of it. In order to get it back to factory install mode, Windows 10 indicated that I had to revert back to Windows 7 first and it asked a bunch of questions why I was reverting back to Windows 7. Anyway, I restored it back to factory installation mode, applied all new patches etc. The laptop stopped hanging and ran cool. Now we have a spare laptop that is in perfectly good working condition as long as it remains on Windows 7. My new laptop is still on Windows 8 and I am resisting the upgrade.
 

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I upgraded one of my computers (HP Pavilion tower) to Windows 10 and immediately ran into problems. After installation the computer said there were problems and it would repair the Startup files and reboot. Which it would attempt to do, then it would say that repair wasn't possible. I tried booting to the Windows 10 repair disk I had made immediately after installing Win 10, but it would but even though I designated the CD drive as the boot drive it still attempted to boot to C: and generated the same message. I tried rebooting to my Windows 7 repair disk, with no luck. I was stuck in an interminable startup loop.

Next I selected the repair option of rebuilding the previous Windows installation, which rolled me back to Windows 7 Service Pack 2. That worked fine until I started installing important and recommended Windows 7 updates, when the same interminable startup error loop problem recurred. Again I rebuilt, but this time the unfixable error on startup appeared after the rebuild.

Ultimately, the only way I could get the machine to operate was to boot to the HP rescue disks that came with the machine, which did a full reinstall of the OS to factory condition. Fortunately, it didn't erase the old Windows folder, but renamed that as Windows.old. I was able to navigate into that folder and pull out a bunch of important personal information and migrate that into the new setup. I still lost most of my customizations, and had to reinstall every single software program.

Given the time I wasted fixing the computer after attempting the Windows 10 install (which came straight out of my billable hours because I had work to do that I couldn't do with the computer on the fritz), my "free" Windows 10 upgrade cost me about $2000.

One of the most expensive pieces of software I've ever bought. I would have been better off just buying a new computer with Windows 10 instead of trying to install it on my old computer.
 
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I upgraded one of my computers (HP Pavilion tower) to Windows 10 and immediately ran into problems...

Steve - I enjoyed almost the exact same experience with an older HP Pavilion Notebook. The only difference was the machine fully accepted Win 10 then a few months later an automatic update put it into the deadly loop you experienced.

I finally removed the hard drive and installed it as an additional drive on a Windows 8 machine. That let me easily remove all the important data files. Then I returned the drive to the Notebook and did a clean install of Windows 7.

It became clear that the HP Pavilion could not get critical drivers to support Win 10 updates. I've got 2 other non-HP machines that work very well with Win 10 and another Win 8 machine that will soon be updated. That leaves me with another old Win 7 32-bit machine that can't be upgraded and of course the HP Pavilion Win 7 that now lives permanently on the shelf. I'll probably just use it as payment for an annual timeshare maintenance fee! Of course I might donate it to the Homeless crowd as they probably have a good Wi-Fi signal ;)
 

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Steve - I enjoyed almost the exact same experience with an older HP Pavilion Notebook. The only difference was the machine fully accepted Win 10 then a few months later an automatic update put it into the deadly loop you experienced.

I finally removed the hard drive and installed it as an additional drive on a Windows 8 machine. That let me easily remove all the important data files. Then I returned the drive to the Notebook and did a clean install of Windows 7.

It became clear that the HP Pavilion could not get critical drivers to support Win 10 updates. I've got 2 other non-HP machines that work very well with Win 10 and another Win 8 machine that will soon be updated. That leaves me with another old Win 7 32-bit machine that can't be upgraded and of course the HP Pavilion Win 7 that now lives permanently on the shelf. I'll probably just use it as payment for an annual timeshare maintenance fee! Of course I might donate it to the Homeless crowd as they probably have a good Wi-Fi signal ;)
You jogged my memory Ken. That's exactly what happened to me. Windows 10 worked OK until I did one of the Windows 10 updates.
 

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Hmmmm, what does that tell us about HP machines, or particularily Pavilions??
 

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Same thing happened with my HP Envy laptop. I began shopping for a new computer. Then, on January 1st, the latest update came through and fixed EVERYTHING. It was a very weird and frustrating experience that made me start looking at Macs - and I've been a PC/Microsoft user ever since I upgraded from my Apple II+.
 

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I'd had a problem- not insurmountable, but bothersome- on my Lenovo Yoga running Win8.1. When I'd swipe- or use the touchpad, sideways, the image on the screen would zoom either in, or out. Then I'd have to hold the ctrl and (+ or -) button to get the image the right size. After installing Win10, that annoyance was solved. Hallelujah! Then a couple weeks later an automatic update came along and 'fixed' it. Now it zooms in and out just like it did with Win8.1.

At least I'm no worse off with Win10 than the computer was before the install.

Much as I hate to admit it, Mac's are looking better. 'Course there's that whole new OS to learn and I'm sure they have their issues too. Like obsolescence from one iteration to another.

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Hmmmm, what does that tell us about HP machines, or particularily Pavilions??

Since the computer was pretty old anyway and I'm starting a major modeling project where I needed a more robust processor, I had already purchased a replacement Dell XPS.

I hadn't set up the new machine yet because I was in the middle of a number of projects, but then the Windows 10 upgrade failed. And right about the same time the power supply in my Pavilion started acting up as well.

So I got the new computer set up, and during a moment when the power supply on the old HP Pavilion decided to cooperate, I booted it up and copied the Windows.old folder to flash drive and moved it to the drive on my new Dell. From there I was able to retrieve quite of bit of data to get the Dell looking and behaving like my old HP.
 

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...Much as I hate to admit it, Mac's are looking better. 'Course there's that whole new OS to learn and I'm sure they have their issues too. Like obsolescence from one iteration to another.

Jim

I use a Mac to help others transition from PC to Mac. There's clearly a difference between the two platforms. PC is excellent for productivity while Mac excels in entertainment. Unfortunately Mac is not so good in productivity and does not do well with industry leading PC software.

I have owned iPhones forever and that takes care of my mobile entertainment needs without even having to deal with a Mac toy.
 

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I use a Mac to help others transition from PC to Mac. There's clearly a difference between the two platforms. PC is excellent for productivity while Mac excels in entertainment. Unfortunately Mac is not so good in productivity and does not do well with industry leading PC software.

To anyone who uses an Apple product as their computer choice that statement is extremely funny. MAC products using OS X are good for games but there is nowhere near the selection that the windows world has. Windows is the game platform and always has been. As far as productivity NASA uses MACs and they seem to be a fairly productive outfit.
 

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One of my computers still uses Windows 3.1. Granted I only use it to print labels out, but it works fine for that use.
 

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Microsoft Says Windows 10 is Really Popular- by Don Reisinger/ Tech/ Fortune/ fortune.com.

"Microsoft’s latest operating system is really popular.

The company on Jan. 4 announced that Windows 10 is now running on 200 million devices worldwide, up from 75 million in August 2015. Perhaps more surprisingly, Microsoft has nearly doubled its Windows 10 adoption since October, when it announced it had registered 110 million activations..."


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I wonder how many people upgraded to 10 just to get rid of the annoying popups telling you to upgrade. Personally I use Windows 7 Professional and have no intention of upgrading in the foreseeable future.
 

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Clearly Microsoft is trying to scare people into switching to Windows 10. Not me. I don't scare easily.

George

I am also in this camp at this time. I suspect that because 7 has been around so long that others have mastered pushing spyware, etc, but I've also got improved ways to remove that. I am just concerned about the number of issues people are having when they upgrade to 10. I don't want to waste time trying to make things work that already work now.
 

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"Microsoft’s latest operating system is really popular.

The company on Jan. 4 announced that Windows 10 is now running on 200 million devices worldwide, up from 75 million in August 2015. Perhaps more surprisingly, Microsoft has nearly doubled its Windows 10 adoption since October, when it announced it had registered 110 million activations..."

Richard - You must own Microsoft stock otherwise you wouldn't be posting such one sided comments.

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Richard - You must own Microsoft stock otherwise you wouldn't be posting such one sided comments.

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LOL - who knows where Richard stands on any of these links? If you haven't figured it out by now, all Richard does is creates the thread with the story and the link, grabs some popcorn, and then sits back and enjoys the replies. :)
 

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Richard - You must own Microsoft stock otherwise you wouldn't be posting such one sided comments.

George

One sided???? He's just laying out the facts. Actually, the fact that the O/S is FREE places MS in a category which doesn't compare to previous sales for software that wasn't FREE.
 

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Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems - by Gordon Kelly/ Tech/ Forbes/ forbes.com

"Windows 7 runs on 55% of all the computers on the planet, but according to news this week that is actually a bad and potentially dangerous thing. Says who? Actually Microsoft MSFT -1.82%…

Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software and hardware compatibility, security and more..."


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Quoting the article at the link:

. . . Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela . . .
. . . There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete rubbish. . . .
 
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