mayan palace resorts joining (ELITE) resort group!

[sally]

I hate to say I told you so, but...I TOLD YOU SO!!!! value is value is value( yes Quiltergirl ,..the same mayan palace SALLY was standing up for.Message # 79 in the (cancelled) thread by papaucas. READ PLEASE.No comments? I do not know if rci is not going to carry mayan palace in the future, but I am trying to verify through the resort.You exchangers might not want to wait to check these rsorts out, as this might become harder in the very near future.Like I said, A property is WHAT IT IS, despite a (RABID SALES FORCE).So much for worrying about trading value,as this new classification, puts the Mayans on par with resorts such as the 4- seasons properties witch you will be able to trade for if you own grand units .This is where the mayans belong as we saw that this resort system was a gem...Tuggers own breaking message has a report on this very topic! thank you very much papa for sharing. the new exchange is called (registry collection), and contains many of the top 5% resorts in the world. CONGRATS MAYAN GRAND OWNERS!!!A wise purchase indeed!
sorry... tonyg, big horn,calidave,q-girl,doughting pat,beth,ejc,calgirl,rene,and I am sure I missed A few...enough said. I know you own GRAND Mayan Pat...but really... to start a nasty rumor such as, that I am not A real person??? shame on you!! I guess I am an artificial person? and tricking people? Oh come on.


sally

 

[calgal]

Sally, when I took the tour at GM in NV in December, they spoke a lot about the elite group for trading. It sounded promising. I don't know how easy it is to make reservations in that system and hope some Tuggers have experience to share regarding this.

 

[papaaucas]

well, i checked out the registry collection webpage and the grand mayans are in there. the address is http://www.theregistrycollection.com/ I forgot that eventhough I dont have my PIN I have a brochure with all the details about registry collection. I guess that proves my theory about grand mayan getting bumped from RCI into this new system.

 

[kbvancouver]

What does this mean?

Hello. My husband and I are owners of the Grand Mayan. I'm a little confused as to what all of this means. I was on the registry collection website and I have to admit that I'm still confused. Is this a trading company like RCI? Is there a membership fee that we have to pay? Are they no longer trading the Grand Mayan units through RCI?

If anyone has any information, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Kim

 

[quiltergal]

After reading through the website it looks like it works along similar lines as other vacation clubs such as Shell and Raintree. You can do internal exchanges with affiliated resorts, but I think you can still trade through RCI if you want. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Sally, I'm glad it's a good value for you. It's still not a good value for me. It appears as though the only Four Seasons resort you will be able to exchange into is the one in Scottsdale, AZ.

Personally I think it would be a good thing if MR severs their relationship with RCI since they seem to have a problem honoring their exchanges.

 

[itchyfeet]

Both Four Seasons Aviara in Carlsbad, CA & Four Seasons in Scottsdale, AZ
also trade thru II.

 

[Kevin]

You're right... value is value!

I hate to say I told you so, but...I TOLD YOU SO!!!! value is value is value( yes Quiltergirl ,..the same mayan palace SALLY was standing up for.Message # 79 in the (cancelled) thread by papaucas. READ PLEASE.No comments? I do not know if rci is not going to carry mayan palace in the future, but I am trying to verify through the resort.You exchangers might not want to wait to check these rsorts out, as this might become harder in the very near future.Like I said, A property is WHAT IT IS, despite a (RABID SALES FORCE).So much for worrying about trading value,as this new classification, puts the Mayans on par with resorts such as the 4- seasons properties witch you will be able to trade for if you own grand units .This is where the mayans belong as we saw that this resort system was a gem...Tuggers own breaking message has a report on this very topic! thank you very much papa for sharing. the new exchange is called (registry collection), and contains many of the top 5% resorts in the world. CONGRATS MAYAN GRAND OWNERS!!!A wise purchase indeed!
sorry... tonyg, big horn,calidave,q-girl,doughting pat,beth,ejc,calgirl,rene,and I am sure I missed A few...enough said. I know you own GRAND Mayan Pat...but really... to start a nasty rumor such as, that I am not A real person??? shame on you!! I guess I am an artificial person? and tricking people? Oh come on.


sally

I've turned down trades into GM with the hotel lock-off of a "mid range" trader.

I've traded into Four Seasons Aviara and toured the Grand Mayan. The Grand Mayan is nice... but it's not "on par" with the Four Seasons! JMHO.

Sally, sorry to say but, I can see where someone may think you're on the GM payroll. Maybe you're just a "rabid" owner . Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. It's great that you are happy with your resort. Enjoy.
kEVIN

 

[rubin]

just like kbvancouver, I am totally confused. what is the big deal, am I missing something ?

 

[taffy19]

well, i checked out the registry collection webpage and the grand mayans are in there. the address is http://www.theregistrycollection.com/ I forgot that eventhough I dont have my PIN I have a brochure with all the details about registry collection. I guess that proves my theory about grand mayan getting bumped from RCI into this new system.

The Registry Collection is part of Cendant too. One of our timeshare resorts (Grand Velas in Nuevo Vallarta) has belonged to this system for quite a while and they told us that they will finally update this web site which is about time as it is very confusing. We chose not to belong to it as we do not exchange our resort as we like going there almost every year. I believe that the fees are higher too than the RCI fees but you can exchange in some nice resorts or rent a fun car or boat or whatever. There are several of these exclusive clubs already so it is nothing new.

From what I understand too is that our resort and most likely too the Grand Mayan will no longer give out memberships to RCI when new owners buy from these resorts. We also found out that several Mexican resorts are now affiliated with HSI. Our Sheraton Buganvilias is one of them as they explained to us at an "update". They were already last year but we decided not to join here either for the same reason as we like to stay at the Buganvilias too.

Friends told us that the Velas Vallarta also joined HSI. However, RCI members at all these resorts in Mexico will be able to exchange through RCI as long as they are members so you don't need to worry if you want to make an exchange.

 

[quiltergal]

So Emmy, it sounds like the Registry Collection is just RCI in a ball gown if I'm reading the article correctly?

 

[JEFF H]

RCI has created a special catagory exchange system for thoes resorts and owners who wish to pay the special entrance fee and gain this exclusive honor.

At this point its just more fancy window dressing and typical marketing Hype.
only Time will tell how well it actually works.

 

[sally]

point is...

resorts of a higher caliber are now in the mayan circle..(notice the WORLDS FINEST) classifications. So even tho I am thrilled! with my mayan week purchase, and others can not see why,I have a hard time understanding why others can not see the VALUE that I see.If you go to your favorite place to eat and you have a bad waitress, do you never go there again?do you tell all the people you Know what a lousy restaurant this is,based on the performance of the booger in the wait staff? -salesperson?...Is the food not worth eating? One of my strong suits(I believe) is telling it like it is.I do not get hung up on grudges(I even forgive pat for thinking I am an artificial person)(even though she has not said sorry) ...Mabee, I expect too much from people.I am an honest,person, that has chosen to share my views on this forum. For my time I have been assaulted by a few,and treated kindly by many others.Guess I am a bit sensitive when swimming among sharks.I should take my own advice...WORLD AS IT IS-not as you would like it. you see as
far as the resorts go,I am happy with mine,and you all are happy with yours.We come here to learn, debate,and share info....and most importantly to treat each other respectfully. The only (GAME) being played here..(as I have been accused of playing..) is opinions... in my humble opinion we all have a right to ours, yes? sales people grudges or distrustfull people, have no place in my life!

respectfully your friend sally

 

[rubin]

It is really interesting to read all the threads about GM, not just from Sally (a very happy owner), but from other owners and exchangers.

We own at MP, and when we bought, MP was sold as the “ultimate” in luxury. The GM concept, is I must say, an ingenious marketing techniques by the Mayan organization. They built the GM and now, the GM is the “ultimate” in luxury. Somehow, the MP is no longer good enough. Anyone who is somebody (or wants to be somebody) has to have GM.

Moreover, Mayan is now getting rid of the Sea Gardens, upgrading the Sea Garden owners to MP, and upgrading MP owners to GM. In other words they are taking the already existing owners, and selling them something newer, and admittedly nicer. This upgrade is not cheap however, in our case it was $10,000. For $10,000 I can buy 2 time shares, or one timeshare and a used car, or take the family to Europe......well the possibilities are endless. In any case, the GM concept has been a very successful marketing scheme, and these units are selling, and exchanging. It appears they are selling so well, that Mayan no longer sees the need to offer them to “regular” RCI members. GM may now be offered only to “elite” Registry members. Of course this is simply another marketing scheme.

What is more interesting (or perhaps distressing) is that eventually I may have to upgrade to GM to be able to enjoy all the amenities, and get the weeks I want. I have had no problem thus far, and we’ve owned for years, but as more and more restrictions are placed on MP, upgrading becomes a necessary option. Anyway, I will cross that bridge when the time comes.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

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What is more interesting (or perhaps distressing) is that eventually I may have to upgrade to GM to be able to enjoy all the amenities, and get the weeks I want. I have had no problem thus far, and we’ve owned for years, but as more and more restrictions are placed on MP, upgrading becomes a necessary option. Anyway, I will cross that bridge when the time comes.

Your entire post - of which I only excerpted a part - describes the situation well. Owners are valued by Mayan essentially as a source of cash to be milked.

That's why I am so taken by Sally's posts. She seems to feel that because she pad full price, Mayan will regard her differently.

But I doubt it. As soon as they figure out a way to extract more cash from her for her to keep what she has , they won't hesitate a moment to try to inserrt their hooks. And when they do find that method, all owners will be equal targets for their bait - they won't make any distinction between her developer sale and another member who may have bought resale.

To me there is more to value than just the niceties and frills of the resort. I have a hard time paying money for the privilege of beng screwed repeatedly - that value equation just doesn't work for me. If it works for Sally fine; for me it's a no go.

As I posted in another thread, if someone insists on going to bed with a slug, he or she shouldn't be surprised to wake up some morning and find that they've been slimed.

 

[quiltergal]

Rubin if what you say is true then one will never ever have really paid top dollar for Mayans because they keep upping the ante. I wonder how many owners feel like they have to upgrade because they have so much invested in the Mayans already. Do you know what happened to the Sea Garden owners who didn't want to upgrade to Mayan Palace? I'm assuming of course that they would have had to pay additional money to upgrade to MP. Since the Sea Gardens are being torn down one by one where does that leave the owner who chooses not to shell out the additional dollars? Just curious.

 

[rubin]

These are all good questions. As you say, Sea Gardens are being torn down and replaced by MP. The planned Cabo resort was to have GM, MP and Sea Garden, the latter are no longer part of the plan. Sea Garden owners must have been upgraded to MP, whether they had to pay or not, I do not know. I also do not know if Sea Gardens were timeshare or rental properties. Mayan does not seem like a company that gives anything away.
Regardless, I have to admit we have been treated very well by the Mayan staff, we like the resorts. In fact my kids’ favorite resort of all time (and we have been to a lot), remains MP Acapulco. I am bothered by Mayan’s tactics and their marketing. However, we have to admit that while we abhor these marketing techniques, people are buying !!

 

[JEFF H]

It appears they are selling so well, that Mayan no longer sees the need to offer them to “regular” RCI members. GM may now be offered only to “elite” Registry members. Of course this is simply another marketing scheme.

The Mayan Palace and Grand Mayan are currently readily available to RCI members for exchange as well as rental.
they are also available thru SFX and other independant exchange companies.
The reality is the Mayan Palace resorts have been some of the eaisest resorts to exchange into.

 

[sally]

steve...we all Know

somewhat what tomorrow will bring.As far as being screwed..I will tell you what that is.Thats when you pay $800. bucks per person to stay at the royal sunset in cancun,and the all inclusive is not worth it because your 2 kids eat like birds,and of course do not drink.Yet, you still have to go that route to avoid world war 3 amongst your childeren.Not to mention consctruction on the resort next door all week! relax? oh,no not a fat chance in h....hammers, saws,24-7 almost, and this was before the hurricane! watered down drinks,similar food ect.( I will say in defense of the sunset though,they were some of the nicest,people on earth.)OH YES...the GRAND MAYAN is worth it,as you can not beat timesharing ,$$$ wise any other way.It is all about, at what level of class and comfort, do you want to spend your vacation time.Do you always want to rely on lucking out with that great orbitz deal?I like a little more certainty in a uncertain world. As far as remote locations? We love them! less crowding of resorts.spend $300 and rent a car for the week,at the airport, all insurance included (national) we always do this. The locations really are not THAT remote,this notion is overblown!

tomorrow will bring higher maintainece fees, higher taxes every year on your home,higher taxes for everything! get use to it...it is going to get a lot worse,very soon.

And jeff as far as the mayans being really easy to trade into....that will not always be the case.When you consider the new exchange being added,more demand from higher class trades will change the current trading ,as I view as A one time event.The word,getting out on how nice the mayan chain is, is still in its infancy.Not to mention the resorts are all relativley new .Think of the mayan resorts as going through growth spurts.

sally

 

[Noni]

Your sentences are really hard to read.

 

[sally]

sorry..

Some times I get ahead of my thoughts.Just trying to help.

sally

 

[Pat H]

Reminds me a lot of Fairfield. Change fixed weeks to points and charge the owners to convert plus make them pay more in maintenance fees to boot.

 

[Monica]

??

Moreover, Mayan is now getting rid of the Sea Gardens, upgrading the Sea Garden owners to MP, and upgrading MP owners to GM. s.

Assuming you are correct about the Sea Garden, why is there a new one in Nvo Vallarta and the original buildings is Pto Penasco will be Sea Garden? In Acapulco, they are building a new Mayan Palace. They've torn down 1/2 of the 2-bedroom unit building and building the new Mayan Palace in the other half.

 

[Corinne]

Sally,

I can't shake this feeling of deja vu. Did you ever own timeshare in Newport, RI?

-Corinne

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Sally,

I can't shake this feeling of deja vu. Did you ever own timeshare in Newport, RI?

-Corinne

Yuo've got a lonnnnnng memory, Corinne. That was before I joined more than two BBS versions ago (but post-Prodigy).