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I also posted this in the Starwood board. I just wanted to get feedback from owners of both Marriott and Starwood in Maui. We are thinking of buying in Maui. Want to know why we would pick Marriott over Westin or vice versa. We would prefer an Oceanview 2BR LO.
 

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If I didn't already own in one system or the other I'd visit both to see which I like better. But being a Marriott owner I'd go with the Marriott only because the more you own in one system, the higher status tier you reach. Same thing if I were already in the Starwood system, I'd go with that. (It's not the status itself that's important, it's the benefits/perks that come with each tier.)

I see you're already in both systems - go with whichever one you like, or with whichever one will get you to the status tier you want to attain in either one. :)
 

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Just a note - With Starwood, buying resale does not qualify for Elite Status so no benefit/perks. (And it's ridiculously expensive to buy from the developer at this resort.) So it really should be based on resort preference.
 

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Just a note - With Starwood, buying resale does not qualify for Elite Status so no benefit/perks. (And it's ridiculously expensive to buy from the developer at this resort.) So it really should be based on resort preference.

Starwood doesn't have anything like the Marriott Rewards customer loyalty program, in which we get credit for Nights stayed and incidental spends at the timeshare resorts? Or, owning Starwood timeshares doesn't give you discounts on any cash stays at the timeshares? Wow.

Those are the two that come to mind for which we take full advantage. In Marriott's system they apply to resales as well as direct purchases, and are tiered based on status rather than how you purchased, so considering whether you'll take advantage of them is important.
 

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They have an "Elite" program with perks, but you must buy from the developer to qualify.
 

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They have an "Elite" program with perks, but you must buy from the developer to qualify.

Well that stinks. :)

With Marriott the only difference based on how you purchase is that resales can't be exchanged for Marriott Rewards Points (unless they're enrolled in the Points system) but generally that's not an equitable usage option.
 

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I also posted this in the Starwood board. I just wanted to get feedback from owners of both Marriott and Starwood in Maui. We are thinking of buying in Maui. Want to know why we would pick Marriott over Westin or vice versa. We would prefer an Oceanview 2BR LO.

They are both terrific properties. Because you already own HRA and SDO, I would buy a Westin, because you could use StarOptions from HRA and maybe an SDO trade to extend your stay.

I've stayed at WKORV twice (both times in WKORV-N) and thought it was terrific. The unit amenities at WKORV are comparable between WKORV and the new towers at MOC (but better than MOC original towers), and the beach in front of the property is (much) better at WKORV. There is much to like about WKORV.

I love the grassy areas at MOC and being able to have an unobstructed view out to Lanai and Molokai from all parts of the property. I prefer to have a short walk to Whalers Village, and also prefer the pool systems at MOC, both the superpool as well as the smaller pool by Lahaina Villas (I don't love the Napili Villas pool). Finally, the three buildings at MOC seem more cohesive than the multiple buildings at WKORV, which feel a little disjointed (you walk through hallways to get from one building to another).

They are both terrific properties however, and these are minor observations. The one clear superiority is the beach at WKORV, and if you spend alot of time on the sand or in the ocean, I would definitely favor the Westin.

If you do decide to buy Marriott, I would buy the OF category. It's not alot more money, and the view plane in the new towers is terrific.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Best,

Greg
 
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They are both terrific properties. Because you already own HRA and SDO, I would buy a Westin, because you could use StarOptions from HRA and maybe an SDO trade to extend your stay.

We are in the middle of closing our Marriott Koolina purchase and we want to purchase another week in Maui to go with it but torn between the 2 :ponder: This time though I will have to wait until next year to purchase so I won't have to take care of the MF for 2016 (advice from many tuggers)
 

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We are in the middle of closing our Marriott Koolina purchase and we want to purchase another week in Maui to go with it but torn between the 2 :ponder: This time though I will have to wait until next year to purchase so I won't have to take care of the MF for 2016 (advice from many tuggers)

If you find the perfect deal, I wouldn't wait - just tell the seller that you want your usage to start in 2017. OR, if they have a good 2016 reservation in place, take the 2016 usage - you can easily rent it for more than enough to cover the 2016 maintenance fee, if you can't use it.
 

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If you find the perfect deal, I wouldn't wait - just tell the seller that you want your usage to start in 2017. OR, if they have a good 2016 reservation in place, take the 2016 usage - you can easily rent it for more than enough to cover the 2016 maintenance fee, if you can't use it.

Oopps I should have mentioned that Koolina is EOY Odd so that we are looking in Maui for EOR odd as well :)
 

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We are in the middle of closing our Marriott Koolina purchase and we want to purchase another week in Maui to go with it but torn between the 2 :ponder: This time though I will have to wait until next year to purchase so I won't have to take care of the MF for 2016 (advice from many tuggers)

Okay....that's important info. If you own a Ko Olina, and you also own a MOC, then you can book reservations 13 months out. That may or may not make it easier to get the reservations, but at least you will be able to leverage your weeks more easily than the HRA/SDO link I made earlier.

With that in mind, I would buy the MOC EOY, and would encourage you to look hard at the new towers, in an OF designation.

Best,

Greg
 

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Okay....that's important info. If you own a Ko Olina, and you also own a MOC, then you can book reservations 13 months out. That may or may not make it easier to get the reservations, but at least you will be able to leverage your weeks more easily than the HRA/SDO link I made earlier.

With that in mind, I would buy the MOC EOY, and would encourage you to look hard at the new towers, in an OF designation.

Best,

Greg

I agree with this advice.
 

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With Marriott the only difference based on how you purchase is that resales can't be exchanged for Marriott Rewards Points (unless they're enrolled in the Points system) but generally that's not an equitable usage option.

Susan, I think there is one other huge difference between post-2010 resales and developer weeks. Because the post-2010 weeks cannot be generally enrolled in the DC program, they do not have DC points attached to them and thus they do not count toward elite status within MVCI. I agree with your observations as they relate to the Marriott Rewards loyalty program.
 

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I've stayed at both. Westin's 2BR is larger, costs more and has higher maintenance fees. It's also further from Lahaina and main Maui attractions by 7 minutes. Marriott is a larger system, 2BR is quite sufficient size. Westin does have a shuttle to Lahaina and other Sheraton properties in Kaanapali.
 

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Westin's 2BR is larger, costs more and has higher maintenance fees.

Really - more expensive than the Napali and Lanai Towers?
 
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We own both Marriott and Westin, My wife refuses to stay at Marriott on Maui when we can stay at WKOV-North.

The beach is better, less people and the walk in the mornings to whalers village is very nice and good for you (of course you can always take the shuttle).

Marriott area is crowded with building after building.

Also if you own on Maui (home resort) reservations seem to be no issue at 11-12 months out at the Westin.
 

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... like the Marriott Rewards customer loyalty program, in which we get credit for Nights stayed and incidental spends at the timeshare resorts? Or ... discounts on any cash stays at the timeshares? ...

Those are the two that come to mind for which we take full advantage. In Marriott's system they apply to resales as well as direct purchases, and are tiered based on status rather than how you purchased, so considering whether you'll take advantage of them is important.


I was not aware of this. We bought resale (weeks) and when we called MVC to link our Marriott Rewards account with our MVC account, we were told that they can't be linked because we bought resale. Were we given wrong info?


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We have stayed at WKORV-N, MOC Lahaina Tower and MOC original towers. Our first stay was at the Westin a few years ago and we really liked it. We thought we wouldn't like MOC as much. We stayed at MOC for two weeks earlier this year to try it- one week in the Lahaina Tower and one week in an older tower. We were very impressed, mostly with the Lahaina Tower, but really the overall property. We really enjoyed the walks along the side walk and the beach more so than walks near the Westin.

I wouldn't hesitate to stay at either, but we are leaning more to MOC new towers now.

Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

Mike
 

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We have owned and stayed at both. We prefer MOC. You need to decide for yourself because a case can be made for both resorts. Rent at each a couple of times before you buy, they'll always be units for sale.
 

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Great input from everyone here, many are certainly more experienced with both properties than myself. But here's what I know….

Our first trip ever to Hawaii I traded my DVC for the Westin Villas North, and got a 2 bdrm oceanfront villa. (Other than the grace of God, not sure how i got this as a non-owner!) It was gorgeous. We loved the entire resort. Beach has some very good snorkeling. It was the first TS I've ever stayed in that the Studio has a w/d. The master bedroom was huge, as was the master bathroom. We found the living & dining areas very tight for such a luxe unit. As much as I loved the huge master amenities, I felt the space would be better used in the main areas where families/friends would congregate. JMHO.

We loved Maui, and wanted to be sure we would return over and over, so we toured at the Westin. Came very close to buying but went to tour the brand new towers at MOC. Napili had just opened and MVC was celebrating their 25th anniversary and had some special pricing. Again, gorgeous units like the Westin. Biggest difference was that the living/dining area in a 2 bdrm was considerably larger than ours was at the Westin. With the anniversary pricing we could get an oceanfront 2 bdrm L/O for the same price as an Ocean View at the Westin Villas North. And I would not have been happy with their Ocean View I don't think. So all things considered, we went for an Oceanfront Napili 2 bdrm lock off, 2 weeks, EOYO since we live on the east coast. It's a very long flight. We have stayed a total of 8 weeks at our TS in Napili and we LOVE it. We love everything about this resort. It's huge and has an enormous amount of beachfront and like the Westin the grounds are immaculate and lovely. The ONLY complaint I have is that the lanai's are very small on the 2 bdrm lockoffs. We love it so much we are signing closing docs on a resale week 2 bdrm L/O, Napili, EOYE. This way we can go every year to Maui! We will lock off and use 2 weeks on the even years with our new acquisition. We wanted oceanfront again, but I just couldn't justify the prices right now so we bought Island View. It will be an adjustment and we really went back and forth whether to buy ocean view or ocean front in the original buildings, which are considerably cheaper than the new towers. The full kitchens and w/d won out for us, as well as how beautiful the units are in the new towers.

I have a friend that has 2 weeks EY oceanfront 2 bdrm at WKOV North. She loves it. She did actually have some difficulty booking on the opening day this last trip for their desired February dates. I have definitely hit the same challenges calling at the precise 13 month window as a "multi-week" owner at Marriott.

These are both magnificent TS's with spectacular views and locations. I would suggest if possible, visit them before deciding. If you can't, it really would be almost impossible to make a bad choice between these 2 properties. :)
 

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Thank you everyone. OMG now I'm really torn. At this point price will be a deciding factor. Checking the resale market, MOC OF has much higher resale pricing than WKOR. Another consideration is that with Westin if I can't use the week I can bank my staroptions and if it's Marriott, I can only deposit with II right? or is there another better option to do with the unused week?
 

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Thank you everyone. OMG now I'm really torn. At this point price will be a deciding factor. Checking the resale market, MOC OF has much higher resale pricing than WKOR. Another consideration is that with Westin if I can't use the week I can bank my staroptions and if it's Marriott, I can only deposit with II right? or is there another better option to do with the unused week?

Sorry to complicate things -- yes, you are correct that with Marriott you could only deposit with II. However, you are much more likely to rent that Marriott (OF unit, hopefully), for approx $4,500 in the current market.

From a price perspective, you should be able to buy a MOC Lahaina Villas 2BR OF for $32,000 or so, perhaps less if you are patient. I do not know what WKORV is going for.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!

Best,

Greg
 

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or is there another better option to do with the unused week?

At both resorts, you can rent unused weeks for a profit.

WKORV resale is probably closer to $25K - although I don't know what Starwood is exercising ROFR at.
 

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A different view

I started with one Marriott resale, and soon added another. Bought what I liked and understood. Then I considered I have Marriott, so I am missing out on the Westin locations like St. John and Harborside. Therefore my suggestion is pick up a Westin and enjoy a second avenue of choice.

If you are not exactly ready to buy now, go ahead and rent, there are so many reasonable rental deals that you can explore several different systems.:hi:
 
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