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Marriott Grand Chateau - Room Configuration and Renting 2B Lock Off

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Looking at Redweek Marriott Grand Chateau listings a 2 bedroom sleeps 8, a 1 bedroom sleeps 4 and a studio sleeps 2. I believe the studio has a king bed and sleeper sofa, so why would that not be considered sleeps 4? For renting, would you get more money listing the 2 bedroom or is it better to split it into a 1 bedroom and studio and rent out the two? Thanks.
 

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I suspect it is up to the owner listing the week to put in accurate data. They simply entere 2 instead of 4 for the studio.
 

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Looking at Redweek Marriott Grand Chateau listings a 2 bedroom sleeps 8, a 1 bedroom sleeps 4 and a studio sleeps 2. I believe the studio has a king bed and sleeper sofa, so why would that not be considered sleeps 4? For renting, would you get more money listing the 2 bedroom or is it better to split it into a 1 bedroom and studio and rent out the two? Thanks.
I would not consider purchasing Marriott Grand Chateau for rentals. Easy to book via points along with many opportunities to exchange, getaways and accommodation certificates in II. Also cheap hotel casino alternatives (Excalibur) along the strip. You would be lucky to break even on MF's if you could not use and needed to rent in any given year.
 

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Looking at Redweek Marriott Grand Chateau listings a 2 bedroom sleeps 8, a 1 bedroom sleeps 4 and a studio sleeps 2. I believe the studio has a king bed and sleeper sofa, so why would that not be considered sleeps 4? For renting, would you get more money listing the 2 bedroom or is it better to split it into a 1 bedroom and studio and rent out the two? Thanks.
II lists GC as 2/4 which means it sleeps 4 but has privacy for 2. IMO buying GC for rentals is an extremely poor choice. Rooms are cheap in LV and it's easy to exchange in. IMO the benefit of GC is to use when exchanging in from other resorts and to own to exchange to other locations. IF one wants rentals, look at something that's high demand like HI, Aruba, HHI, etc. Personally I think buying with the main intent to rent is still a poor choice but I do think there are situations when it makes sense, mostly if one wants to use part of the time and rent off years. Even when the math works owning to rent, I want at least a 20% ROI per year including purchase price and maintenance fees but even that is a high risk play IMO.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I agree that Las Vegas is not a good place to purchase if your primary goal is to rent. However, if one year I am unable to use our owned week and book a home week that is in high demand, is it best to rent out the 2 bedroom or split and rent the 1 bedroom and studio. I suppose the question can also be generic for any of those high demand locations mentioned above, if you are renting do you usually rent the full 2 bedroom or split it? My guess is it is a wash, but wanted to confirm.
 

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I would just rent the two bedroom for the years you are not using it. I think the hassle factor of advertising two reservations (plus fees, if using Redweek), lock off fees etc would not be worth the minimal extra rent money you could get if you split the week. As others have said, GC does not generate very much in rental. A much better option would be to lock off and trade in Interval.

For a high demand week at another location, it can make sense to rent. As an example, sometimes I will lock off my 2 bedroom Mountainside ski week. If you look on Redweek, a suite or one bedroom will rent for much more than the MF. Renting allows me to use the 1 bedroom for free and I have little extra left over to cover dinners etc. Not all weeks are created equal. Renting vs trading comes down to MF costs and how much you can rent on the open market. I think the best place to get an idea is Redweek. Make sure you compare to listings that have rented...just because someone is renting for an exorbitant amount of money does not mean they will rent it. If you place your listing reasonably compared to what others are asking, you have a good chance that it will rent.
 

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If you aren't using it, I think you would get better value out of it through II since deposits are good for two years past checkout date. Once you own, you will quickly realize you never have enough weeks or deposits.
 

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If you aren't using it, I think you would get better value out of it through II since deposits are good for two years past checkout date. Once you own, you will quickly realize you never have enough weeks or deposits.
I was going to suggest that myself. I am looking at GC for II exchanges. We travel 22 weeks a year and only own five weeks that we use every year. I need some good trader weeks. I have been getting rid of everything in RCI for the last three years. I just don't love paying $25 per day for Hilton SeaWorld through exchange. I am tired of added fees. It's a huge turnoff.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I agree that Las Vegas is not a good place to purchase if your primary goal is to rent. However, if one year I am unable to use our owned week and book a home week that is in high demand, is it best to rent out the 2 bedroom or split and rent the 1 bedroom and studio. I suppose the question can also be generic for any of those high demand locations mentioned above, if you are renting do you usually rent the full 2 bedroom or split it? My guess is it is a wash, but wanted to confirm.
I'd just exchange as the smaller components. If you don't belong to II anyway and this would be a rare occurrence, I'd exchange through an independent exchange company if it's not frequent enough to justify joining II. I also think one should consider whether just paying cash for the occasional trip there is likely best otherwise. Or just exchanging in on the years you need to be there. Maybe exchange the studio from there or elsewhere back to LV and use the 1 BR to exchange elsewhere.
 

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I'd just exchange as the smaller components. If you don't belong to II anyway and this would be a rare occurrence, I'd exchange through an independent exchange company if it's not frequent enough to justify joining II. I also think one should consider whether just paying cash for the occasional trip there is likely best otherwise. Or just exchanging in on the years you need to be there. Maybe exchange the studio from there or elsewhere back to LV and use the 1 BR to exchange elsewhere.
II is wonderful, marvelous, amazing, and every other synonym I can think of. I love my Marriott and Westin exchanges, and I love the Hyatt resorts, too. I love II. The independents are terrible.
 

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II is wonderful, marvelous, amazing, and every other synonym I can think of. I love my Marriott and Westin exchanges, and I love the Hyatt resorts, too. I love II. The independents are terrible.
I don't think I would hold either opinion as extremely as you apparently do. What I was addressing was that there is a frequency of exchanging where it doesn't make sense to pay II for a membership fee. When that's the case the questions would include whether one should even own at all and what the other options would be. IMO using an independent would be far better than trying to rent out LV other than for maybe a Platinum Plus week or a one off issue like a one time event such as a Super Bowl.
 

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I don't think I would hold either opinion as extremely as you apparently do. What I was addressing was that there is a frequency of exchanging where it doesn't make sense to pay II for a membership fee. When that's the case the questions would include whether one should even own at all and what the other options would be. IMO using an independent would be far better than trying to rent out LV other than for maybe a Platinum Plus week or a one off issue like a one time event such as a Super Bowl.
Which one would you use for a Marriott deposit? I haven't been happy with any alternates. Not a single one has done well by me. The only one I haven't tried is GPX, and I know it's a great exchange company but I don't own a GP resort, so I cannot use it.
 

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Which one would you use for a Marriott deposit? I haven't been happy with any alternates. Not a single one has done well by me. The only one I haven't tried is GPX, and I know it's a great exchange company but I don't own a GP resort, so I cannot use it.
I think it varies with the intended usage. I'd investigate which one would likely get me what i wanted. Without additional information likely Ownertrades or SFX for MVC. For Europe likely 7 Across. In addition I'd investigate exchange fees and membership fees as it applied to my situation at the time. I admit one is giving up a lot not using II for MVC but one exchange every 5 years or more makes joining II questionable unless there are other benefits one will use like Getaways. Again, the first question is whether to even purchase and for the situation being discussed, the answer might often times be that one should not.
 

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I think it varies with the intended usage. I'd investigate which one would likely get me what i wanted. Without additional information likely Ownertrades or SFX for MVC. For Europe likely 7 Across. In addition I'd investigate exchange fees and membership fees as it applied to my situation at the time. I admit one is giving up a lot not using II for MVC but one exchange every 5 years or more makes joining II questionable unless there are other benefits one will use like Getaways. Again, the first question is whether to even purchase and for the situation being discussed, the answer might often times be that one should not.
We own a lot of II weeks. We travel 22 weeks a year, and we only own five that we use every year. I count on exchange, so that is a different perspective for me.

This year alone, I think we have used 11 Marriott weeks in Orlando with our kids and grandkids using some too. Orlando is a very easy exchange.
 

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We own a lot of II weeks. We travel 22 weeks a year, and we only own five that we use every year. I count on exchange, so that is a different perspective for me.

This year alone, I think we have used 11 Marriott weeks in Orlando with our kids and grandkids using some too. Orlando is a very easy exchange.
I use it too though not as much as you do and for you and I, II is perfect for MVC weeks. But that was not the situation being discussed as I understood it.
 

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And SFX, honestly, they have no online search capability and the people that work there pick and choose who will get the primo exchanges, so I am 100% never recommending SFX to anyone who wants a great timeshare exchange experience.

But you are right about depositing once every five years. That would not be worth paying the annual fee year after year, unless you used Getaways a lot.
 
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