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I spoke today with a representative regarding offloading my Hilton Garden Vacation timeshare. I still have a balance on my timeshare for approximately $71k. There is no way I can continue to make monthly payments of $1435 for the next 12 years. This was the biggest mistake of my life, but my husband really wanted to buy into this timeshare for vacation, but we are using it way less than we expected. I want to walk away, but foreclose would take a big hit on our credit report. In contacting Lonestar, they quoted me $11k, and it would take 12 to 18 months to resolve the timeshare. Also, there is a $500 discount on the Christmas holiday. It was stated there is a $250 payment for the credit report in case the bureau tries to input a negative mark on the credit report. As others have said in other posts, they have a 4.9 rating with no negative reviews. No negative remarks with BBB. It seems like a legitimate company and may be worth it, rather than paying a total of $200k if I paid for my timeshare outright. They are due to contact me tomorrow, but I may not answer. I need help to decide. Also, my husband just received a kidney transplant and could go on medical disability, which could result in less pay. What would you do??
 

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Really?

Study up here on TUG and you will learn you can't unload a timeshare in which money is owed. You can't even do a deed back.

Next, an exit company will STEAL your money and DO NOTHING.

No one can magically get you out of a deed which you voluntarily signed for despite what they are telling you. Keep your hands in your pockets and don't pay them a nickel.

Sorry to hear of your plight but you may want to consider just walking away and taking a credit hit. Sadly, that overpriced timeshare you own is likely worth little or nothing. You were led down the primrose path and made the decision to buy an overpriced timeshare!










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I spoke today with a representative regarding offloading my Hilton Garden Vacation timeshare. I still have a balance on my timeshare for approximately $71k. There is no way I can continue to make monthly payments of $1435 for the next 12 years. This was the biggest mistake of my life, but my husband really wanted to buy into this timeshare for vacation, but we are using it way less than we expected. I want to walk away, but foreclose would take a big hit on our credit report. In contacting Lonestar, they quoted me $11k, and it would take 12 to 18 months to resolve the timeshare. Also, there is a $500 discount on the Christmas holiday. It was stated there is a $250 payment for the credit report in case the bureau tries to input a negative mark on the credit report. As others have said in other posts, they have a 4.9 rating with no negative reviews. No negative remarks with BBB. It seems like a legitimate company and may be worth it, rather than paying a total of $200k if I paid for my timeshare outright. They are due to contact me tomorrow, but I may not answer. I need help to decide. Also, my husband just received a kidney transplant and could go on medical disability, which could result in less pay. What would you do??
It’s a scam. There is no magic formula that this company has to get you out of your timeshare. If you pay them you will be lighting $11,000 on fire. All they will have you do is stop paying so that the company forecloses. There may or may not be a credit hit but they have no ability to stop that. The credit hit will likely not be as bad as you think even if there is one. Don’t pay them anything, you will regret it.

Just walk away from the timeshare. Many here have done that. The credit hit (if there is one) is not going to be life changing. Are you planning on purchasing a house or a new vehicle that requires financing in the next few years? If not, then I wouldn’t sweat it at all. If you are, then, again, it’s still likely not going to be life-altering. The same sales tactics that convinced you to purchase a worthless timeshare for $71k are being employed on you now to purchase a worthless exit plan for $11k. Sorry to be so blunt, but you really really should not do this.
 

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Just walk away from the timeshare. Many here have done that. The credit hit (if there is one) is not going to be life changing. Are you planning on purchasing a house or a new vehicle that requires financing in the next few years? If not, then I wouldn’t sweat it at all. If you are, then, again, it’s still likely not going to be life-altering. The same sales tactics that convinced you to purchase a worthless timeshare for $71k are being employed on you now to purchase a worthless exit plan for $11k. Sorry to be so blunt, but you really really should not do this.
Military members or people with security clearance also need to be careful with defaulting on a timeshare loan. These companies purport to support the military but they try and get around certain SCRA and Military Lending Act laws. They try to force military members into arbitration which is a violation of MLA. Several military members have lost security clearances and have had to leave the military because they defaulted on their timeshare loan.
 

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@Klwheeler01

You owe 71k on something that is worth very little and now you are being asked to pay 11k to get rid of that something that is worth very little.
Worse, this company that is charging 11k will do one thing only under the circumstances: smooth talk you into a default without calling it a default.
You can default on your own simply by not paying anything going forward, blocking your account and ignoring all the calls. Why pay someone 11k to do something you can easily do yourself?
There is no hidden fix to your situation: you decide if you want to keep paying and use it or default and move on. No one can "help you get out". Your third and very slim chance is to reach out to HGVC directly by yourself and convince them to take it back. VERY VERY SLIM chance of that happening.
No matter what you do, do not pay ANYONE any money. Not even me.
 
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Military members or people with security clearance also need to be careful with defaulting on a timeshare loan. These companies purport to support the military but they try and get around certain SCRA and Military Lending Act laws. They try to force military members into arbitration which is a violation of MLA. Several military members have lost security clearances and have had to leave the military because they defaulted on their timeshare loan.
This is the first time I recall seeing this information on this forum. If it is true—and I have no reason to doubt you—it should be mentioned more frequently on these forums. For military folks, this is probably a much bigger concern than a credit ding!
 

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This is the first time I recall seeing this information on this forum. If it is true—and I have no reason to doubt you—it should be mentioned more frequently on these forums. For military folks, this is probably a much bigger concern than a credit ding!
Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of talk here. I've seen it discussed at length on the Timeshare Solution or Surrender podcast. There has been at least one lawsuit against Westgate regarding arbitration clauses and the MLA. Westgate even just had their Military Weekend. They give out 1000 trips to military members but they rake them through the coals when it comes to paying them and they stoop to the same lows when it comes to the sales lies.
 

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@Klwheeler01 Lonestar Transfers has been around awhile. That alone doesn't mean that they are good to do business with. Their only real specialty is collecting thousands of dollars upfront in return for a money back guarantee. That guarantee may very well be worthless when you will need it the most. They are not attorneys, nor do they have any special magic to get people out of the timeshare. What they will do is provide you with letters for you to send to the timeshare company. That's it. What is in those letters is nothing that you couldn't do yourself. You could even ask TUG for free advice on what should be in the letter. If they have any success, it will likely be through a deedback you could have requested yourself or worse, a foreclosure. Lonestar has lots of over-the-top glowing reviews. More on those in a moment. In the meantime, below are two reviews from Yelp. The first talks about the letters. The second talks about a foreclosure.

"I must say I paid a lot of money in order to get advice from some very nice and knowledgeable people. They provided a letter(s) to send and I kept them posted on the progress. Since they didn't handle any phone calls, or any other correspondence, I paid thousands of dollars for something I basically ended up doing myself. Their all 5 star BBB ratings were a red flag. "

"I paid them $4,000 and they got the timeshare company to cease and desist all communication (which I could've done for free). My understanding was that they were going to absolve me from my legal obligation to these folks entirely, as it was something we never used even once. For a minute I actually thought that's what they did. Until I went to purchase a home and my credit report showed I was in foreclosure to the timeshare company due to nonpayment. I was given a shoulder shrug explanation over the phone and never a straight answer as to where that $4,000 went."


A foreclosure is a successful termination in the eyes of Lonestar Transfer (and many other exit companies). No one should have to PAY a company so that you could be foreclosed. One could do that themselves for FREE just by stopping payment.

Back to the glowing reviews. There are MANY 5-star Trustpilot reviews. I am suspect of all 5-star reviews for any company that charges thousands of dollars upfront. People typically are not happy to have paid thousands of dollars to any company. Sure, there are some people who just don't know that they are being ripped off and will write a review thinking that they got a bargain, but I do not think that it would fill hundreds of reviews. One thing I have noticed with many other scam exit companies is that a number of their positive reviewers appeared to live in the same area as the company itself (they also reviewed other companies local to the scam company). That would lead one to believe that they are fake reviews, likely by the company or friends and family. I looked at a handful of Trustpilot reviews (I couldn't find Google reviews of this company oddly). Many of the Trustpilot reviewers only had one review. For those that had multiple reviews I had a hard time linking them to the area of Lonestar Transfer in Texas because most of the other reviews were online companies. What I did notice with the handful of reviews I looked at, was that two reviewers shared a review about Thriftbooks. I don’t think of Thriftbooks as a common company to do business with. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. I mention this because another scam company I reviewed had two separate glowing reviews, both supposedly residing in different parts of the country, and each they shared a review about an obscure mortuary in Oklahoma. The fact is, creating fake reviews is common in an industry that has so many unethical operators. What I did find most fascinating about the Trustpilot reviews though is that multiple individuals reviewed Lonestar Transfer TWICE over the span of a number of months. These don't appear to be repeat customers but rather a way to simply increase the number of glowing reviews.

I am also suspect of any exit company that has many glowing BBB reviews. Lonestar Transfer has 444 reviews. By comparison, American Honda Motor Company has zero reviews. Meta Technology (Facebook), a much larger global company, has 680 reviews, almost all from people with a beef to share. It is far more common for a person to post a review when they have an issue rather than just to say how great a company is.

Exit companies also like to use scare tactics. Lonestar Transfer is no exception. Their website has a maintenance fee calculator, and they use an annual increase of 12% to come up with a huge scary number that is sure to cause panic with the timeshare owner. Lonestar can then say to the potential victim - Your $11,000 payment to us is a bargain because you will be saving $500,000 in maintenance fees!" For my two timeshares, I have never seen a double-digit increase let alone 12%.

The owners of Lonestar Transfer are supposedly Bryan and Kelly Holloway, a married couple. There is nothing on the web about these people which is a red flag to me in itself.

The last thing I want to leave with is that good reviews, a long time in business, a money back guarantee, and even celebrity endorsements does not mean that you are spending your money wisely. See the TUG thread below for what could happen.
 
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@RX8, I want to say Thank You for the detailed report of your investigation. I’m not the OP and won’t be signing up with any timeshare exit companies, but I’m impressed at how much you’ve done for this person, and I’ve also learned a lot about investigating companies, particularly through online reviews.
 

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The OP posted this on Tuesday asking for opinions. Also said the company will call on Wednesday.
The OP has not been back since. I hope they will read the responses before getting drained.
 

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The OP posted this on Tuesday asking for opinions. Also said the company will call on Wednesday.
The OP has not been back since. I hope they will read the responses before getting drained.
Unfortunately I suspect the Op didn't get the responses they wanted and decided to light $11,000 on fire.
 

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Unfortunately I suspect the Op didn't get the responses they wanted and decided to light $11,000 on fire.
OP, did these responses help you? I hope you didn't proceed just cause you didn't like the answers. This is a known grey area scam. Once they have your money, in a best case they tell you to stop paying. You could have done that on your own as so many have pointed out.
 

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The OP posted this on Tuesday asking for opinions. Also said the company will call on Wednesday.
The OP has not been back since. I hope they will read the responses before getting drained.
Unfortunately we get a lot of one message driveby posters, usually people with little knowledge of timeshares. This one called it Hilton Garden, that's not even a timeshare, possibly the hotel they stayed when attending the presentation.
 

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for military members whos security clearance may or may not be at risk due to a credit score etc, you really should seek out a legitimate ATTORNEY in your state that practices debt collection law and go for a consultation.

on top of that, im almost positive that active duty has access to free legal advice/services through a variety of different entities! utilize that resource if you are considering defaulting on a loan!
 

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Unfortunately we get a lot of one message driveby posters, usually people with little knowledge of timeshares. This one called it Hilton Garden, that's not even a timeshare, possibly the hotel they stayed when attending the presentation.
I gotta cut them at least a little slack. They at least JOINED TUG as paid Members, unlike most drive-by posters. The information placed here by experienced TUGgers (if they come back to read it) should at least make the decision make sense to them.
 

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for military members whos security clearance may or may not be at risk due to a credit score etc, you really should seek out a legitimate ATTORNEY in your state that practices debt collection law and go for a consultation.

on top of that, im almost positive that active duty has access to free legal advice/services through a variety of different entities! utilize that resource if you are considering defaulting on a loan!
This is great advice.
 

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@Klwheeler01 Lonestar Transfers has been around awhile. That alone doesn't mean that they are good to do business with. Their only real specialty is collecting thousands of dollars upfront in return for a money back guarantee. That guarantee may very well be worthless when you will need it the most. They are not attorneys, nor do they have any special magic to get people out of the timeshare. What they will do is provide you with letters for you to send to the timeshare company. That's it. What is in those letters is nothing that you couldn't do yourself. You could even ask TUG for free advice on what should be in the letter. If they have any success, it will likely be through a deedback you could have requested yourself or worse, a foreclosure. Lonestar has lots of over-the-top glowing reviews. More on those in a moment. In the meantime, below are two reviews from Yelp. The first talks about the letters. The second talks about a foreclosure.

"I must say I paid a lot of money in order to get advice from some very nice and knowledgeable people. They provided a letter(s) to send and I kept them posted on the progress. Since they didn't handle any phone calls, or any other correspondence, I paid thousands of dollars for something I basically ended up doing myself. Their all 5 star BBB ratings were a red flag. "

"I paid them $4,000 and they got the timeshare company to cease and desist all communication (which I could've done for free). My understanding was that they were going to absolve me from my legal obligation to these folks entirely, as it was something we never used even once. For a minute I actually thought that's what they did. Until I went to purchase a home and my credit report showed I was in foreclosure to the timeshare company due to nonpayment. I was given a shoulder shrug explanation over the phone and never a straight answer as to where that $4,000 went."


A foreclosure is a successful termination in the eyes of Lonestar Transfer (and many other exit companies). No one should have to PAY a company so that you could be foreclosed. One could do that themselves for FREE just by stopping payment.

Back to the glowing reviews. There are MANY 5-star Trustpilot reviews. I am suspect of all 5-star reviews for any company that charges thousands of dollars upfront. People typically are not happy to have paid thousands of dollars to any company. Sure, there are some people who just don't know that they are being ripped off and will write a review thinking that they got a bargain, but I do not think that it would fill hundreds of reviews. One thing I have noticed with many other scam exit companies is that a number of their positive reviewers appeared to live in the same area as the company itself (they also reviewed other companies local to the scam company). That would lead one to believe that they are fake reviews, likely by the company or friends and family. I looked at a handful of Trustpilot reviews (I couldn't find Google reviews of this company oddly). Many of the Trustpilot reviewers only had one review. For those that had multiple reviews I had a hard time linking them to the area of Lonestar Transfer in Texas because most of the other reviews were online companies. What I did notice with the handful of reviews I looked at, was that two reviewers shared a review about Thriftbooks. I don’t think of Thriftbooks as a common company to do business with. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not. I mention this because another scam company I reviewed had two separate glowing reviews, both supposedly residing in different parts of the country, and each they shared a review about an obscure mortuary in Oklahoma. The fact is, creating fake reviews is common in an industry that has so many unethical operators. What I did find most fascinating about the Trustpilot reviews though is that multiple individuals reviewed Lonestar Transfer TWICE over the span of a number of months. These don't appear to be repeat customers but rather a way to simply increase the number of glowing reviews.

I am also suspect of any exit company that has many glowing BBB reviews. Lonestar Transfer has 444 reviews. By comparison, American Honda Motor Company has zero reviews. Meta Technology (Facebook), a much larger global company, has 680 reviews, almost all from people with a beef to share. It is far more common for a person to post a review when they have an issue rather than just to say how great a company is.

Exit companies also like to use scare tactics. Lonestar Transfer is no exception. Their website has a maintenance fee calculator, and they use an annual increase of 12% to come up with a huge scary number that is sure to cause panic with the timeshare owner. Lonestar can then say to the potential victim - Your $11,000 payment to us is a bargain because you will be saving $500,000 in maintenance fees!" For my two timeshares, I have never seen a double-digit increase let alone 12%.

The owners of Lonestar Transfer are supposedly Bryan and Kelly Holloway, a married couple. There is nothing on the web about these people which is a red flag to me in itself.

The last thing I want to leave with is that good reviews, a long time in business, a money back guarantee, and even celebrity endorsements does not mean that you are spending your money wisely. See the TUG thread below for what could happen.
Thank you for the detailed information. I did not proceed with the exit company. I now wish to walk away from the Timeshare as HGV only wants to extend the payments of the loan. My other concern if I walk away can they garnish my wages.
 
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Thank you everyone for the information. I did not proceed with the exit company. I do plan to walk away but fear my wages may be garnished. Has this ever happened to anyone?
 

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Thank you everyone for the information. I did not proceed with the exit company. I do plan to walk away but fear my wages may be garnished. Has this ever happened to anyone?
I can’t even quantify how incredibly unlikely that is. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning multiple times in a row while holding a winning lottery ticket. What state are you in and what state is the timeshare in? I’m aware of no reported instances anywhere of this ever happening to anyone. There likely isn’t even a legal mechanism for it to happen (depending on what states/jurisdictions we are talking about), and the odds that a developer would go through the trouble of going to a court to try for this and finding a judge willing to sign such an order really is nonexistent.

You made the right decision. Congratulations on saving $11,000.

I mean, it’s unheard of for a deficiency judgment to result in wage garnishment in a residential mortgage foreclosure. There’s no way it’s happening in a timeshare mortgage foreclosure.
 
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Thank you for the detailed information. I did not proceed with the exit company. I now wish to walk away from the Timeshare as HGV only wants to extend the payments of the loan. My other concern if I walk away can they garnish my wages.
You’re welcome. Maybe some of the attorneys on TUG can correct me if I am wrong but the only way a lender can garnish your wages is if they obtain a judicial foreclosure. That is an expensive and lengthy process for the lender. I have not seen one instance on TUG or elsewhere where that has happened. Lenders will go the non-judicial route which gets the deed back in their hand much quickly that allows them to sell the deed to the next person.

While you may not have your wages garnished it is possible that you might have a tax liability for the forgiven debt.

Below is a thread that tracks defaults and the impact they may have had.

By the way, I am a former credit analyst for an auto lending bank. If I saw a timeshare default I would overlook that if everything else was good and approve the loan. While approved, the default may have impacted the credit score which may have impacted the interest rate. I can’t speak for all lenders/analysts but wanted to share my perspective.
 

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You’re welcome. Maybe some of the attorneys on TUG can correct me if I am wrong but the only way a lender can garnish your wages is if they obtain a judicial foreclosure. That is an expensive and lengthy process for the lender. I have not seen one instance on TUG or elsewhere where that has happened. Lenders will go the non-judicial route which gets the deed back in their hand much quickly that allows them to sell the deed to the next person.
Not every state has non-judicial foreclosure, however, the odds of obtaining an enforceable deficiency judgment in even a judicial timeshare foreclosure, followed by going through the expense of executing that judgment in the state that OP lives in, is again, so remote as to be effectively non-existent. It simply would not be worth the time, expense, and effort for a developer to even try given the incredibly low likelihood of success, and the attendant legal fees for even making the attempt.

This is to say nothing of the fact that in many states deficiency judgments aren't even permitted, except in limited circumstances not applicable here, and even where they are permitted, few judges choose to exercise their discretion to issue them except in the most egregious of circumstances (not applicable here).
 
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I spoke today with a representative regarding offloading my Hilton Garden Vacation timeshare. I still have a balance on my timeshare for approximately $71k. There is no way I can continue to make monthly payments of $1435 for the next 12 years. This was the biggest mistake of my life, but my husband really wanted to buy into this timeshare for vacation, but we are using it way less than we expected. I want to walk away, but foreclose would take a big hit on our credit report. In contacting Lonestar, they quoted me $11k, and it would take 12 to 18 months to resolve the timeshare. Also, there is a $500 discount on the Christmas holiday. It was stated there is a $250 payment for the credit report in case the bureau tries to input a negative mark on the credit report. As others have said in other posts, they have a 4.9 rating with no negative reviews. No negative remarks with BBB. It seems like a legitimate company and may be worth it, rather than paying a total of $200k if I paid for my timeshare outright. They are due to contact me tomorrow, but I may not answer. I need help to decide. Also, my husband just received a kidney transplant and could go on medical disability, which could result in less pay. What would you do??
Like any other contract, timeshare contracts cannot be canceled, especially when a loan/mortgage is involved. Over the years, thousands of timeshare owners have been defrauded by timeshare exit/contract cancellation companies who seldom deliver what they promise. The first thing they ask you to do is to stop making the payments (mortgage and maintenance fee) which results in default. Once you default, your account will be referred to an attorney, in-house collection department, or a collection agency. And if you have deeded timeshare interest, you will be facing a foreclosure action. And all such actions will impact your credit score. Therefore, paying thousands of dollars to such companies does not make any sense. Due to your financial hardship, you can directly deal with the developer or the lender. Many timeshare developers offer hardship programs to help struggling owners. You may check with HGVC regarding such options. Good luck.
 

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Not every state has non-judicial foreclosure, however, the odds of obtaining an enforceable deficiency judgment in even a judicial timeshare foreclosure, followed by going through the expense of executing that judgment in the state that OP lives in, is again, so remote as to be effectively non-existent. It simply would not be worth the time, expense, and effort for a developer to even try given the incredibly low likelihood of success, and the attendant legal fees for even making the attempt.

This is to say nothing of the fact that in many states deficiency judgments aren't even permitted, except in limited circumstances not applicable here, and even where they are permitted, few judges choose to exercise their discretion to issue them except in the most egregious of circumstances (not applicable here).
and to add on to this, the optics of a timeshare developer beginning to SUE their own customers who have no other options... would be far more damaging than any monetary loss from defaults.
 

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I can’t even quantify how incredibly unlikely that is. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning multiple times in a row while holding a winning lottery ticket. What state are you in and what state is the timeshare in? I’m aware of no reported instances anywhere of this ever happening to anyone. There likely isn’t even a legal mechanism for it to happen (depending on what states/jurisdictions we are talking about), and the odds that a developer would go through the trouble of going to a court to try for this and finding a judge willing to sign such an order really is nonexistent.

You made the right decision. Congratulations on saving $11,000.

I mean, it’s unheard of for a deficiency judgment to result in wage garnishment in a residential mortgage foreclosure. There’s no way it’s happening in a timeshare mortgage foreclosure.
I am in Virginia and my timeshare is in Vegas.
 
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