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Kaanapali cancelled us, understandably, but NOW WHAT?

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Please help me understand our options. We were supposed to check in at Kaanapali this Saturday for two weeks. Hyatt has canceled the first week, and I think the second will get canceled by them as well. Now we have 2200 CUP. What can I do with them? Is there a strategy for booking other resorts? Can we use them in II?

Your advice and guidance would be most gratefully received!
 

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They're points. If you have at least four months to use them, you can dump them into Interval and take several weeks of vacations by leveraging your points. If not, find other Hyatts you like and start making reservations immediately. You and every other HKB owner is now in the same boat. Availability is about to plummet because thousands of diamond owners who never trade, are about to start.

I wrote a guide about how to use your points -- it's the first thread in the Hyatt forum.
 

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Contact Member Services, 888-619-2988. (Not Owner services) They may have just give you a comp stay extended out quite a bit, maybe a year or more - to use anywhere also. Like they did for all who got canceled when the Hurrican hit Hyatt Hacienda dell Mar. Or see what offers they may otherwise have for all who just got cancled from Maui. It might be too soon for them to come up with something yet however, but it doesn't hurt to ask them now).

I just called the number. There was an after hours msg that said they are aware of the Maui Fires, and for affected members to see:

https://hub.vacationclub.com

I just went there however, and I did not see anything about the Maui Fires yet, or Hyatt. Right now it mostly all links to the other Marriott Vacation Club brands. But not even mentioning the Hyatt Vacation Club brand. !! (???) When I searched for "Maui" only the Marriott Brand Vacation Clubs came up, with only a red "Weather Advisory" flag, and no other informayion . Maybe it will come up with Hyatt info soon. As it is now the site is useless !!


Also that "a member advicate will contact you in the future." That may take a long time. So call them in the morning is my suggestion !!

FYI. Perry
 
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I’m in the same boat. Thanks for sharing the number, about to call them. My checkin is next week.
 

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I’m in the same boat. Thanks for sharing the number, about to call them. My checkin is next week.

If Interval will take your points, that gives you an extra year to decide how to use them. I have no idea if they will or not this late in the game. They can't trade into your unit -- so it amounts to a goodwill offering if they do. If not, find someplace in the Hyatt realm you can live with and book immediately. The Colorado resorts are lovely this time of year, for instance. This is my favorite time to visit Colorado.
 

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There are a couple of available units, one in October and one in November, which of course would not be there ordinarily. You could book another date if you are able to postpone your stay for a few months.
 

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So I spoke with marrriot today regarding the cancellation. I received a cancellation email and was asked to call. Wait time was over a hour.

I have 2 bookings at the Westin Kanapali. One was via Abound points. The other was via SO. My Westin SO will be returned with no problems. But the one that was booked with Abound is apparently a lost case. They said my abound points will expire the of this year, and there will be a 60 day booking restriction on the returned points. It made zero sense but they had a million reasons why they are not waiving the point restrictions. Very disappointing indeed.

I will update if anything changes.
 

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If Interval will take your points, that gives you an extra year to decide how to use them. I have no idea if they will or not this late in the game. They can't trade into your unit -- so it amounts to a goodwill offering if they do. If not, find someplace in the Hyatt realm you can live with and book immediately. The Colorado resorts are lovely this time of year, for instance. This is my favorite time to visit Colorado.
September and early Oct are usually pretty nice in CO as well. Albeit, the nights are getting cold. After mid-Oct, snow would not be surprise. But my family, we live near Boulder, often go up to Breckenridge or Beaver Creek in Oct.
 

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Check your points closer. They cancelled two of my reservations that had time well into next year and they would have still been during my normal CUP period for another 6 months. All of my points 4400 went into RCUP from them cancelling me inside the 60 day window. A call to Member Services confirmed that this is what Hyatt has decided to do. Try using that many RCUP points and get a decent place or time of year before they expire....will likely be a total loss of about $5,000 in maintenance fees
 

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They cancelled two of my reservations that had time well into next year and they would have still been during my normal CUP period for another 6 months. All of my points 4400 went into RCUP from them cancelling me inside the 60 day window. A call to Member Services confirmed that this is what Hyatt has decided to do. Try using that many RCUP points and get a decent place or time of year before they expire....will likely be a total loss of about $5,000 in maintenance fees

I am confused - you said you points went well into next year but that the cancellations are inside of 60 days.

If outside of 4 months they should be able to go into EEE and buy you 2+ years to spend them.

If inside of 60 days, I would press them to put them in EEE if they will not back off on the restricted points.

I hope you are able to get a reasonable resolution for your points. I also pray for those who have lost family members - a much bigger crisis.
 
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I know that management is different (at least I think so), but the Hyatt Regency next door to the Hyatt Ka’Anapali Residence Club has hotel rooms available ($979/night) for the dates of our reservation (9/30-10/7). There are many hotel rooms showing available and bookable on Ka’Anapali Beach, including at the Westins. We just received an email strongly suggesting we cancel due to hazardous conditions/materials, and probable lack of food services, support services, and pool closures…. We have Travelex insurance, not sure if that will help in this situation, but can’t cancel until required by Hyatt. But it does seem strange that while we are being advised to strongly consider canceling, the Hyatt right next door is accepting reservations…
 

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seem strange that while we are being advised to strongly consider canceling, the Hyatt right next door is accepting reservations
LOL. welcome to bureaucracy (corps waiting for Gov to define what/when/where) or corps' willingness to urge people todo things that may not be in the people's best interest or BOTH.
 

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received an email strongly suggesting we cancel
strange thing is someone wrote, a few days ago, that a resort told them that the resort had to cancel to trigger its insurance (Business Interruption, I assume). But I can see the issue being completely different when YOU OWN the room (and they only manage it) rather than when THEY OWN the room/building. In the former, the "business" is really just managing, right? twists & turns behind the scenes. at the end of the day, it is really not THAT strange.
 

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strange thing is someone wrote, a few days ago, that a resort told them that the resort had to cancel to trigger its insurance (Business Interruption, I assume). But I can see the issue being completely different when YOU OWN the room (and they only manage it) rather than when THEY OWN the room/building. In the former, the "business" is really just managing, right? twists & turns behind the scenes
Definitely. What’s unacceptable (to me anyway) is Hyatt mgmt pushing us to cancel due to “hazardous materials/conditions, pool and food services closures, and yet accepting reservations right next door. I have to assume they are lying to us….
 

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The letter:

Dear Owners and Guests,

As you may be aware, wildfires have caused widespread damage to the island of Maui, and, at this time, fires continue to burn and are not yet fully contained. Tragically, Maui County is currently reporting that these wildfires have claimed over 100 lives to-date, with only about 32% of the impacted areas having been searched. In a press conference on August 14, 2023, Hawaii Governor Josh Green stated that well over 2,200 structures have been destroyed with 86% of those being residential. Unfortunately, many of our associates have lost their homes, loved ones, and memories in the fires, and we have not yet been able to make contact with some of our associates to confirm their safety.

In addition to the impact on our associates, these wildfires have impacted the areas around Hyatt Vacation Club at Kāʻanapali Beach, access to the resort, and local businesses (many of which are not operating providing limited access to such places as fuel stations, restaurants, and grocery stores). Currently access to the resort area is only permissible from 6am – 10pm, and it is not clear when full access will be permitted or if access could be limited further again. According to Maui County, currently only West Maui residents and emergency personnel are allowed access into West Maui, where Hyatt Vacation Club at Kāʻanapali Beach is located, from 10pm – 6am. Further, during a recent press conference Lt. Gov. Sylvia Luke spoke directly to those on Maui saying, "this is not a safe place to be." A curfew has been enacted by the County of Maui in Lahaina town and its affected areas, as outlined in the Maui County Mayor’s Second Emergency Proclamation Relating to Wildfires, with Maui County’s Mayor recently noting in a press conference that the conditions in Lahaina town are very dangerous and hazardous. As of an Aug. 15 Maui County update, the Hawaii Department of Health is urging caution for those in the Lahaina area, as dangers are being reported as including ash that may contain toxic and cancer-causing chemicals, including asbestos, arsenic and lead. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) reports that more than 250 FEMA personnel are on the ground supporting recovery efforts, and Maui County’s Mayor advised in a recent press conference that FEMA’s support includes at least 20 cadaver dogs to assist in the search for lost loved ones.

The Hawaii governor’s office is strongly discouraging nonessential travel to allow an effective emergency response. There are limited resources on Maui such as limited food and water supply concerns. At this time, 911 emergency service has not been fully restored in West Maui, as the infrastructure was severely damaged and there is limited, or no, cellular service and Wi-Fi/internet connectivity. With many associates unable to access the resort or work at all, and the lack of supplies or nearby food, there are concerns about the inability to provide service with such limited staffing and supplies. As a result, there is no, or extremely limited, ability for housekeeping service currently at the resort, and due to access and other impacts, there are significant challenges in our capability to provide or our inability to provide other basic resort support services, such as waste management, trash removal, and used linen removal and laundering. With such limited staffing, we are trying to, among other more pressing items, complete safety checks, restore the stability of the villas and more, which will take time. Additionally, the resort was without power for several days. While power has been restored, this might only be temporary, and power could go out at any time due to the current unstable infrastructure. Those on Maui are being advised to be mindful of electricity usage and limit non-essential usage of electricity.

At this time, we want you to be aware that, among other things, we anticipate that all pools and amenities on the property will continue to be closed while we assess and remediate, and food and beverage options will likely be extremely limited and provide only the basic necessities. There are limited external recreational options in West Maui currently as vendors have either completely shut down or have reallocated their support to the needs of the community.

Additionally, in the current environment, it is our understanding that visitors and other non-emergency personnel are not being well-received by the community during this extremely difficult time. Residents need their privacy respected as they deal with the overwhelming shock and anguish of suddenly losing their homes and loved ones, while at the same time trying to navigate the steps that they need to take to move forward and rebuild their lives.

Thank you for your understanding during this difficult time. Updates on the resort’s operating status will be provided on the Resort Hub page.

If you would like to cancel, or reschedule, your upcoming reservation, we would be happy to assist. All cancellation fees have been waived through Sept. 30, 2023. Please contact our team as soon as possible to discuss your reservation.
 

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seems to me that til THE GOV defines exactly what is allowed on those exact dates, they're just taking the easy way out and CYAing. I wouldn't be surprised if the words they use come directly from govt edicts for prior dates. but :shrug:
 

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Talked to Hyatt today, they said what has already been discussed on TUG: they are waiving the $57 dollar cancellation fee if we decide to cancel our 9/30-10/7 stay. Points will have to be used within 60 days. They did say that a 5 night Access package we bought pre-Covid (which expires 12/31/23) has been extended to 12/31/24, so some good news there…
 

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Definitely. What’s unacceptable (to me anyway) is Hyatt mgmt pushing us to cancel due to “hazardous materials/conditions, pool and food services closures, and yet accepting reservations right next door. I have to assume they are lying to us….

I know I've said this before -- there are people who need to be near Lahaina and have a valid reason for being there. Dog handlers. FEMA workers. Visiting physicians and nurses. Clean-up crews. Coroners. They need a place to stay.

What they don't need is tourists running up and down the road from HKB to the Costco because that rotisserie chicken is such a deal. Ideally, they will put refugees and other disaster relief workers in HKB because then they'll have a kitchen as well.

Affected HKB owners should be overjoyed they're getting their points back to do something else. For the time being, they don't technically have anything to trade.
 

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Please help me understand our options. We were supposed to check in at Kaanapali this Saturday for two weeks. Hyatt has canceled the first week, and I think the second will get canceled by them as well. Now we have 2200 CUP. What can I do with them? Is there a strategy for booking other resorts? Can we use them in II?

Your advice and guidance would be most gratefully received!
Are you looking for now, or future dates? If you are looking for future dates, an ongoing search as far out as possible with as many (7-10) quality locations you can find is your best bet. Just trying to book visible on inventory only gives you the leftovers.
 

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I am confused - you said you points went well into next year but that the cancellations are inside of 60 days.

If outside of 4 months they should be able to go into EEE and buy you 2+ years to spend them.

If inside of 60 days, I would press them to put them in EEE if they will not back off on the restricted points.

I hope you are able to get a reasonable resolution for your points. I also pray for those who have lost family members - a much bigger crisis.
If you cancel a reservation the points go to RCUP and are restricted to reservations less than 60 days out. You can also use them in Interval.
 

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Are you looking for now, or future dates? If you are looking for future dates, an ongoing search as far out as possible with as many (7-10) quality locations you can find is your best bet. Just trying to book visible on inventory only gives you the leftovers.
I know I've said this before -- there are people who need to be near Lahaina and have a valid reason for being there. Dog handlers. FEMA workers. Visiting physicians and nurses. Clean-up crews. Coroners. They need a place to stay.

What they don't need is tourists running up and down the road from HKB to the Costco because that rotisserie chicken is such a deal. Ideally, they will put refugees and other disaster relief workers in HKB because then they'll have a kitchen as well.

Affected HKB owners should be overjoyed they're getting their points back to do something else. For the time being, they don't technically have anything to trade.
Can’t disagree with anything you said. Our issue is our travel insurance. If we cancel, we definitely have no claim. If Hyatt cancels us, we may have a claim. Small issue in the larger scheme of things…
 

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Can’t disagree with anything you said. Our issue is our travel insurance. If we cancel, we definitely have no claim. If Hyatt cancels us, we may have a claim. Small issue in the larger scheme of things…

If you're not allowed to visit West Maui, that should be sufficient for the insurance.

The fires haven't been put out 100% and there are still 850 people missing (which is an improvement from earlier estimates). The ground at Lahaina is literally toxic. The water in the area is unsafe.

There's no way any tourism is happening in a wide radius from ground zero for many, many weeks.

Make lemonade out of this. Dump your points into Interval and find anything on Kauai or the Big Island which lines up with your airline ticket. (You will very likely prefer Kauai). You already have the airfare for the bulk of the trip -- and airfare has been jacked through the roof thanks to the fire. Get a week through Interval and then make an easy, relatively inexpensive neighbor-island flight. People are canceling reservations left and right because they don't understand that Lahaina is only a small part of Maui which is a small part of Hawaii. They see "Hawaii burns to ash" and assume everything is gone.

My phone is STILL ringing at 3am because some of my friends and family don't understand how time zones work or care to look at a globe.

EDIT - If the Interval request doesn't happen (call the Go-hyatt number and explain "Any island except maui, any unit, these dates (give or take a day or two)." They can set those parameters much faster than you can), at least you still have Interval points for something else. I spend 90% of my points on Interval because you get so much more time for the same amount of points.
 
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If you're not allowed to visit West Maui, that should be sufficient for the insurance.

The fires haven't been put out 100% and there are still 850 people missing (which is an improvement from earlier estimates). The ground at Lahaina is literally toxic. The water in the area is unsafe.

There's no way any tourism is happening in a wide radius from ground zero for many, many weeks.

Make lemonade out of this. Dump your points into Interval and find anything on Kauai or the Big Island which lines up with your airline ticket. (You will very likely prefer Kauai). You already have the airfare for the bulk of the trip -- and airfare has been jacked through the roof thanks to the fire. Get a week through Interval and then make an easy, relatively inexpensive neighbor-island flight. People are canceling reservations left and right because they don't understand that Lahaina is only a small part of Maui which is a small part of Hawaii. They see "Hawaii burns to ash" and assume everything is gone.

My phone is STILL ringing at 3am because some of my friends and family don't understand how time zones work or care to look at a globe.

EDIT - If the Interval request doesn't happen (call the Go-hyatt number and explain "Any island except maui, any unit, these dates (give or take a day or two)." They can set those parameters much faster than you can.
We already have Waiohai booked 10/7-14 and then KoOlina 10/14-21, so all good. We are planning for a 2 week stay now rather than the original 3. When Hyatt cancels us we will decide what to do with the points. Very small matter considering the tragedy on Maui..
 

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We already have Waiohai booked 10/7-14 and then KoOlina 10/14-21, so all good. We are planning for a 2 week stay now rather than the original 3. When Hyatt cancels us we will decide what to do with the points. Very small matter considering the tragedy on Maui..

There's no reason why you can't put in the request with Interval. If you get lucky, you get your three weeks. If not, you still have the points for something else.

Hawaii isn't a particularly hard request to fill. Someone is always canceling due to whatever curveball life throws at them. When we were doing scouting missions to see where we wanted to move, they always found something.
 

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If you cancel a reservation the points go to RCUP and are restricted to reservations less than 60 days out. You can also use them in Interval.

I am just guessing, but if they are indeed cancelling within 60 days but they say their "points go well into next year" then the points must be LCUP into next year. I assumed "well into next year" meant still in CUP because once LCUP they are hard to spend. They can be spent, but i would not refer to those points myself as still "good" once in LCUP.

And you can use RCUP points in interval but you have a very brief time to do it since they go LCUP soon and can no longer be used in Interval. My original intent of posting was that if I was in that situation i would PRESS Hyatt to allow them to go into EEE, which would add a few years of life and time to get some reasonable in return for all of those points.
 
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