• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 30 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 30th anniversary: Happy 30th Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $21,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $21 Million dollars
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    60,000+ subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

Just Purchased in the Abound program @ Ko Olina

txp415

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2021
Messages
6
Reaction score
7
Just spent a week a Ko Olina and sat through the new presentation into the abound trust point system. I was a originally a Platinum deeded week at the Grand Chateau who then converted to be able to us the MVC exchange company. We had previously canceled buying into the trust points system in 2019. This time around it was presented as the abound trust point system. The newly added Westin and Sheraton vacation resorts would be added to the system and that would gain priority since all our points would be available in the new point system Abound. We purchased the minimum of 1000 points and received a bonus of 1000 each for 2 years snd bank them for 2 years. The purchase did not change my membership and is just wondering if buying trust resell points would also grandfather me into the abound program or is it something completely new? Clock is ticking!
 

jabberwocky

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2016
Messages
2,829
Reaction score
2,587
Resorts Owned
SVR, SDO, WKORV-N, Westin Flex, HGVC (BLVD)
Just spent a week a Ko Olina and sat through the new presentation into the abound trust point system. I was a originally a Platinum deeded week at the Grand Chateau who then converted to be able to us the MVC exchange company. We had previously canceled buying into the trust points system in 2019. This time around it was presented as the abound trust point system. The newly added Westin and Sheraton vacation resorts would be added to the system and that would gain priority since all our points would be available in the new point system Abound. We purchased the minimum of 1000 points and received a bonus of 1000 each for 2 years snd bank them for 2 years. The purchase did not change my membership and is just wondering if buying trust resell points would also grandfather me into the abound program or is it something completely new? Clock is ticking!
What do you mean by “grandfather”? It sounds like you already get Abound points with your Grand Chateau week. If you buy resale points they are just like developer purchased points once you pay the $3/pt junk fee.
 

Fasttr

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Messages
6,351
Reaction score
3,549
Location
Connecticut
Resorts Owned
Marriott's Grande Ocean (Enrolled)
MVC Trust Points
You do not need to buy points to have access to the new Sheraton/Weston resorts. If you are an enrolled MVC owner already, you will also be an enrolled member in Abound with no need to buy anything. They just changed the name and added new resorts. If your purchase was not to climb to a new ownership level, I would certainly rescind.
 

txp415

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2021
Messages
6
Reaction score
7
So to confirm my Grand Chateau week that I chose (every year or a week at my home resort) to convert to points are already part of the ABOUND program and will have access to all the properties that are being added into the points trust system. Thank you all your help!
 

jabberwocky

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2016
Messages
2,829
Reaction score
2,587
Resorts Owned
SVR, SDO, WKORV-N, Westin Flex, HGVC (BLVD)
So to confirm my Grand Chateau week that I chose (every year or a week at my home resort) to convert to points are already part of the ABOUND program and will have access to all the properties that are being added into the points trust system. Thank you all your help!
Yes. The properties have not yet been added, but you will be able to book later this year using points.
 

dougp26364

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
14,588
Reaction score
3,333
Location
Kansas
Resorts Owned
Marriott Grand Chateau
Marriott Shadow Ridge
Marriott Ocean Pointe
Marriott Destination Club Points
Hilton Grand Vacation Club Las Vegas Blvd
Grand Colorado on Peak 8
Spinnaker French Quarter Resort Branson
Sounds like you were given a variation of “buy trust points to supercharge your existing legacy week points”. If he so,d you points on the idea that they’ll somehow magically show you more options, then you were lied too. Your legacy week points will see everything pure trust points see. We’ve owned strictly legacy points and a few years ago bought trust points. There has been no difference in what we can or can’t see and book.

Yes there are “two buckets” of inventory with legacy weeks and trust points, but Marriott blends them so seamlessly that it’s highly unlikely anyone will ever notice.
 

BreakingAway

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 10, 2017
Messages
129
Reaction score
81
Resorts Owned
Marriott Monarch at Sea Pines (1)
Marriott Grande Ocean (4)
So to confirm my Grand Chateau week that I chose (every year or a week at my home resort) to convert to points are already part of the ABOUND program and will have access to all the properties that are being added into the points trust system. Thank you all your help!
What did you pay for 1000 Abound points (and the 2000 temporary points) retail? To decide whether to keep the points or give them back to Marriott, I would compare the cost I paid retail vs. resale trust points. So, if it were me, I would rescind if I paid more than $4.00 per point plus $3.00 per point Marriott profit or $7.00 per point for a total of $7,000. Maybe I would value the 2000 single use points at $2,000, maybe a little more. So if I paid more than $9,000, I would rescind. Another way I would think about it is to calculate how many additional points I could purchase with the extra money I would have paid Marriott for 1000 points. Just my thoughts.
 

jwalk03

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
May 3, 2016
Messages
3,906
Reaction score
3,016
Location
Ohio
You should rescind. As others have mentioned you will already be able to access the Sheraton & Westin resorts with your enrolled week points (once they actually become available to book which has been an ever evolving target!) If you need more points buy resale for ~$7 pp all-in.
 

rthib

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2005
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
672
Location
DFW, TX
Unless you paid $7/points, rescind.
You do not need to buy points to make your enrolled points work but even if you did - resale points are $3to$4 + $3 junk for $7.
Once you pay junk fee they are just like developer points. I bought mine to move up level.
And speaking of levels, make sure you understand booking windows and how many points you will need for where and when you want to go.
 

winger

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 7, 2006
Messages
3,850
Reaction score
366
Location
Northern California
You should rescind. As others have mentioned you will already be able to access the Sheraton & Westin resorts with your enrolled week points (once they actually become available to book which has been an ever evolving target!) If you need more points buy resale for ~$7 pp all-in.
A neighbor just came back from a presentation. They are enrolled but do not have trust points. They were promised purchasing into the trust will give them access to all newly added properties and trust points going forward, whereas enrolled members will not see those properties and trust points.

Being Marriott as big as they are, are they putting themselves out there as a HUGE target for huge class action(s) for lying in the process of selling property ? Or have people tried?
 

jwalk03

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
May 3, 2016
Messages
3,906
Reaction score
3,016
Location
Ohio
A neighbor just came back from a presentation. They are enrolled but do not have trust points. They were promised purchasing into the trust will give them access to all newly added properties and trust points going forward, whereas enrolled members will not see those properties and trust points.

Being Marriott as big as they are, are they putting themselves out there as a HUGE target for huge class action(s) for lying in the process of selling property ? Or have people tried?

Timeshare sales people have been telling these lies for ever. Big timeshare companies have really good lawyers too.
 

rthib

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2005
Messages
1,995
Reaction score
672
Location
DFW, TX
Being Marriott as big as they are, are they putting themselves out there as a HUGE target for huge class action(s) for lying in the process of selling property ? Or have people tried?
They can tell you anything they want. They cover themselves legally with the language in the documents that tell you that only the details in the documents are what you are buying and you agree to that. People have tried a few times suing Marriott and they went nowhere,
Also the reason why if they promise anything, you should ask “where is that in writing.”
 

rickandcindy23

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
32,951
Reaction score
9,696
Location
The Centennial State
Resorts Owned
Wyndham Founder; Disney OKW & SSR; Marriott's Willow Ridge and Shadow Ridge,Grand Chateau; Val Chatelle; Hono Koa OF (3); SBR(LOTS), SDO a few; Grand Palms(selling); WKORV-OF ,Westin Desert Willow.
I hope the OP comes back to clarify what they paid for that meager # of points. I would be interested to know what they found so intriguing. Salespeople lie, but Marriott salespeople are usually not quite as sleazy.
 

winger

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 7, 2006
Messages
3,850
Reaction score
366
Location
Northern California
They can tell you anything they want. They cover themselves legally with the language in the documents that tell you that only the details in the documents are what you are buying and you agree to that. People have tried a few times suing Marriott and they went nowhere,
Also the reason why if they promise anything, you should ask “where is that in writing.”
LOL maybe next time I sit through an update, I will take out my recorder and ask for permission to record our interaction so I would not need to be actively taking notes and refer back to if I ever had questions :)
 

Pamplemousse

TUG Member
Joined
May 5, 2016
Messages
2,511
Reaction score
1,488
Not to take this thread too far off track (although OP seems to have received their answer unanimously!)-but for you tech savvy folks-
Do you think it’s even possible for MVC to set up so elected points can only exchange into units derived from electing with no access to trust inventory? Could they separate that completely?
Doing so would exclude enrolled weeks owners from the “new” resorts where weeks were no sold- and that was a major pitch for trying to sell us points 7 years ago.
Given the state of their website for many months now that seems like it would be a huge technical nightmare.
That might be a fun question to ask a sales person.
 

winger

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 7, 2006
Messages
3,850
Reaction score
366
Location
Northern California
Not to take this thread too far off track (although OP seems to have received their answer unanimously!)-but for you tech savvy folks-
Do you think it’s even possible for MVC to set up so elected points can only exchange into units derived from electing with no access to trust inventory? Could they separate that completely?
Doing so would exclude enrolled weeks owners from the “new” resorts where weeks were no sold- and that was a major pitch for trying to sell us points 7 years ago.
Given the state of their website for many months now that seems like it would be a huge technical nightmare.
That might be a fun question to ask a sales person.
I venture yes, it is possible. As long as a human can manually come up with some rules to do the sorting/filtering, a machine (reservation system) can be updated to do the same. The question is whether Marriott is willing to spend the money to get the system setup correctly to work as intended, and potentially angry quite a few existing members in the process.
 

JIMinNC

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
4,910
Reaction score
4,473
Location
Marvin, NC (Charlotte) & Hilton Head Island, SC
Resorts Owned
Marriott:
Maui Ocean Club
Waiohai Beach Club
Barony Beach Club
Abound ClubPoints
HGVC:
HGVC at Sea World
Not to take this thread too far off track (although OP seems to have received their answer unanimously!)-but for you tech savvy folks-
Do you think it’s even possible for MVC to set up so elected points can only exchange into units derived from electing with no access to trust inventory? Could they separate that completely?
Doing so would exclude enrolled weeks owners from the “new” resorts where weeks were no sold- and that was a major pitch for trying to sell us points 7 years ago.
Given the state of their website for many months now that seems like it would be a huge technical nightmare.
That might be a fun question to ask a sales person.

The answer is yes they do have the capability, and it can and has already happened - by fulfilling the reservation directly out of the Trust rather than the MVC Exchange Company. Several TUGgers a while back (a couple years maybe?) reported their Points reservation confirmations noted the source of their reservation was the "MVC Trust". That means the reservation was fulfilled directly from the Trust, and only Trust owners with Trust points can book reservations directly out of the Trust (just like Weeks owners can only book a week at the resort they own). Those cases were few and far between, however, and may have been exclusively between 13 and 12 months out, but others will have to confirm the details. In practice, it appears almost all reservations are fulfilled out of the MVC Exchange Company (confirmations read "MVC Exchange"), meaning that MVC deposits most Trust inventory into the Exchange to be bookable by all DC/Abound members. But, the question posed was CAN MVC limit Trust inventory only to Trust points? That answer is certainly yes, because they have done it.
 

txp415

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2021
Messages
6
Reaction score
7
Also when looking at the properties via the MVC website they now have property indicators stating if they are Trust and or Exchange icons next to them. With none of them showing Trust only. Looks like I will be rescinding but I see ABOUND and MCV having their own section in the paperwork. Without much benefit of my pints purchase it doe snot make sense to sick with it. I have been happy with my results of my deeded week/4850 points a year. Thank you everyone for your quick response and I appreciate all your insight on the purchase. Definitely paid more than the resale price. Looking forward to staying at Ko Olina again in November. Hopefully I receive to renovated rooms in the
Hale Nai‘a tower!! Mahlo everyone.
 
Last edited:

JIMinNC

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
4,910
Reaction score
4,473
Location
Marvin, NC (Charlotte) & Hilton Head Island, SC
Resorts Owned
Marriott:
Maui Ocean Club
Waiohai Beach Club
Barony Beach Club
Abound ClubPoints
HGVC:
HGVC at Sea World
Also when looking at the properties via the MVC website they not have property indicators stating if they are Trust and or Exchange icons next to them. With none of them showing Trust only. Looks like I will be rescinding but I see ABOUND and MCV having their own section in the paperwork. Without much benefit of my pints purchase it doe snot make sense to sick with it. I have been happy with my results of my deeded week/4850 points a year. Thank you everyone for your quick response and I appreciate all your insight on the purchase. Definitely paid more than the resale price. Looking forward to staying at Ko Olina again in November. Hopefully I receive to renovated rooms in the
Hale Nai‘a tower!! Mahlo everyone.

Newer US properties (opened since 2010) are all Trust owned. You are correct that there is no indication of this, but all of the MVC Pulse locations, plus Waikoloa Ocean Club in Hawaii are totally Trust-only owned - no weeks were ever sold there. All other resorts are a mix of weeks owned by individual owners and plus weeks owned by the Trust. That distinction, however, is mostly meaningless, however, as I mentioned above, all inventory generally gets co-mingled in the MVC Exchange so it can be booked by any Points owner.
 

winger

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 7, 2006
Messages
3,850
Reaction score
366
Location
Northern California
Newer US properties (opened since 2010) are all Trust owned. You are correct that there is no indication of this, but all of the MVC Pulse locations, plus Waikoloa Ocean Club in Hawaii are totally Trust-only owned - no weeks were ever sold there. All other resorts are a mix of weeks owned by individual owners and plus weeks owned by the Trust. That distinction, however, is mostly meaningless, however, as I mentioned above, all inventory generally gets co-mingled in the MVC Exchange so it can be booked by any Points owner.
just da fats point, I am enrolled only (no Trust points) and I can see Waikoloa Ocean Club inventory (just checked as a test). 1bd and 2bds in May 2023
 

frank808

TUG Member
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
4,241
Reaction score
2,426
Location
Marriott Ko Olina Beach Club
Resorts Owned
Disney Vacation Club (Aulani,SSR,VGC,VGF) Hilton Grand Vacation Club(Bay Club, Kohala Suites, The District) Marriott Vacation Club (Aruba Surf Club, Grand Residence, Grand Chateau, Grand Vista,Harbour Lake, KoOlina,Willow Ridge & DC points)
Also when looking at the properties via the MVC website they now have property indicators stating if they are Trust and or Exchange icons next to them. With none of them showing Trust only. Looks like I will be rescinding but I see ABOUND and MCV having their own section in the paperwork. Without much benefit of my pints purchase it doe snot make sense to sick with it. I have been happy with my results of my deeded week/4850 points a year. Thank you everyone for your quick response and I appreciate all your insight on the purchase. Definitely paid more than the resale price. Looking forward to staying at Ko Olina again in November. Hopefully I receive to renovated rooms in the
Hale Nai‘a tower!! Mahlo everyone.
If you want to, PM me when you are about to arrive and we can have a meet n greet. Will be in Naia for Thanksgiving week but will probably be in Kona for the other weeks of Nov.

Have a safe trip and have fun at MKO.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
 

bazzap

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Nov 4, 2009
Messages
4,506
Reaction score
1,320
Location
Cirencester UK
Not to take this thread too far off track (although OP seems to have received their answer unanimously!)-but for you tech savvy folks-
Do you think it’s even possible for MVC to set up so elected points can only exchange into units derived from electing with no access to trust inventory? Could they separate that completely?
Doing so would exclude enrolled weeks owners from the “new” resorts where weeks were no sold- and that was a major pitch for trying to sell us points 7 years ago.
Given the state of their website for many months now that seems like it would be a huge technical nightmare.
That might be a fun question to ask a sales person.
If MVC were to do this though, there would be very limited incentive for Weeks only resort Owners to enrol or if already enrolled to elect their Weeks for Points?
This would effectively do the opposite and exclude (or at least severely constrain) Trust owners access to these resorts, all the European ones for example.
How would this benefit either MVC or all of us as Owners?
 

Pamplemousse

TUG Member
Joined
May 5, 2016
Messages
2,511
Reaction score
1,488
If MVC were to do this though, there would be very limited incentive for Weeks only resort Owners to enrol or if already enrolled to elect their Weeks for Points?
This would effectively do the opposite and exclude (or at least severely constrain) Trust owners access to these resorts, all the European ones for example.
How would this benefit either MVC or all of us as Owners?

Exactly.
But when sales people tell enrolled weeks owners they need to buy 1000 points so “all our points would be available in the new point system” that’s what they are saying.
So the answer the enrolled owners should give the sale person is you told me I’d have access to everything when I enrolled.

Now if they want to hold the Sheraton/Westin resorts separate and require purchased points to get access to them that’s another angle. But that’s not what I’ve been reading.

I‘ve read many posts about sales people saying you need to buy “1000 points” and also have friends with an enrolled week who was told 18 months ago that they need “1000 points”.
This concerted effort by the sales force to sell everyone just that number seems odd to me
 
Last edited:

winger

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 7, 2006
Messages
3,850
Reaction score
366
Location
Northern California
...

I‘ve read many posts about sales people saying you need to buy “1000 points” and also have friends with an enrolled week who was told 18 months ago that they need “1000 points”.
This concerted effort by the sales force to sell everyone just that number seems odd to me
It is the concept of selling something is better than nothing. Also, once a member buys a small amount of points, it's easier to persuade them later to buy more points to be able to make more bookings.
 
Top