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Is II ever going to update their TDI charts?

It seems that II hasn't updated the TDI link for Marriott's Mountainside. It still points to the old chart for 2024-2025.
 
Yay, thank you!

eta: Wow - summer weeks got quite the upgrade, but winter weeks went down. Interesting.

I know! I own a Gold (summer) week, so that's a relief to me.
 
This chart is so wild to me, I can't believe that a Week 51 at Mountainside would be considered the same demand as a week in late August.

Agreed! I'm wondering if there is any hidden trade power difference in practice, though - with the difference between gold and platinum weeks for Marriott?
 
Agreed! I'm wondering if there is any hidden trade power difference in practice, though - with the difference between gold and platinum weeks for Marriott?
There's plenty of hidden factors in trading power, TDI is just one of the factors and we don't know the weighting of the factors, so those could be adjusted too.
 
There's plenty of hidden factors in trading power, TDI is just one of the factors and we don't know the weighting of the factors, so those could be adjusted too.

Why is it such a big secret? In points systems, you know how many points you have and how many you need for a transaction. Would the sky fall if Interval told us?
 
Unit size is a factor. Depositing studios appears to be a bad choice for Willow Ridge. My search tests have been disappointing. I did enter a bunch of ongoing searches against them, just in case something comes through.

Shadow Ridge studios seem to be doing slightly better.
 
Why is it such a big secret? In points systems, you know how many points you have and how many you need for a transaction. Would the sky fall if Interval told us?
Some of the factors are variable, so at any one time you might know and then not know another time. When that is the case its not actually helpful to "know" because you really don't know anyway. II do set out what goes into trading power in their Document library, but not the specific algorithm. If there wasn't the ability for them to flex who can see what to enable things to get shifted that wouldn't otherwise be, they would have to use other channels and not all resorts want their inventory showing up as ACs or getaways, so they'd have to invent something else. Somehow the system has got to be able to respond to changes in supply and demand that occur less than every couple of years. The recent changes to the TDI charts is unheard of and certainly wrong-foots people. I'd rather that not be something that happens more regularly, but if the number of points system now in use has increased, it might be the only way they can flex to respond to market changes.

If you are a business that has to fix prices (like is done with points systems) more than 2 years in advance with something as variable as travel, if you aren't cautious you risk loosing a lot of money, so it could end up being more expensive if that's what is done. The MVC table for using club points in II is dreadful value for a given weeks ownership, it would be a disaster if my MVC weeks ended up with the trading power that is aligned to that, and my weeks aren't even particularly good traders.

The up-side of the current process is that when there is a mass change in reservation patterns, like after the Maui fires, a lot of very good inventory gets accessible where it wouldn't usually be.

There is also something slightly addictive about stalking II inventory for those of who are inclined to do it. 😂

They are going to keep shuffling things about to try and make money, so I expect we will see things keep moving about, but hopefully not too much.
 
If you are a business that has to fix prices (like is done with points systems) more than 2 years in advance with something as variable as travel, if you aren't cautious you risk loosing a lot of money, so it could end up being more expensive if that's what is done. The MVC table for using club points in II is dreadful value for a given weeks ownership, it would be a disaster if my MVC weeks ended up with the trading power that is aligned to that, and my weeks aren't even particularly good traders.

The up-side of the current process is that when there is a mass change in reservation patterns, like after the Maui fires, a lot of very good inventory gets accessible where it wouldn't usually be.

There is also something slightly addictive about stalking II inventory for those of who are inclined to do it.
I don’t completely agree with this. There are a lot of permeations on how points can work. The “fixed grid” systems have the fault you are describing. But others don’t. For instance, RCI Weeks TPU system is completely transparent on how much trading power you get. But there is significant variation on what that trading power may get you when executing a trade. If there is a big over supply of something (Vegas, Branson, Massanutten) the trading power to get into it is not fixed and can be massively discounted. This isn’t all that different than II and when they make it easy to match something when they have a lot of of it in inventory — but it is more transparent in RCI weeks.
 
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I don’t completely agree with this. There are a lot of permeations on how points can work. The “fixed grid” systems have the fault you are describing. But others don’t. For instance, RCI Weeks TPU system is completely transparent on how much trading power you get. But there is significant variation on what that trading power may get you in tradibg. If there is a big over supply of something (Vegas, Branson, Massanutten) the trading power to get into it is not fixed and can be massively discounted. This isn’t all that different than II and when they make it easy to match something they have a lot of in inventory — but it is more transparent in RCI weeks.
Yep, they could inventory something different to deal with the issue, but as far as I know the points systems in II are a fixed matrix of at least 2 dimensions and sometimes 3 or more. I only know of Worldmark that has a discount at short notice.
 
I don’t completely agree with this. There are a lot of permeations on how points can work. The “fixed grid” systems have the fault you are describing. But others don’t. For instance, RCI Weeks TPU system is completely transparent on how much trading power you get. But there is significant variation on what that trading power may get you when executing a trade. If there is a big over supply of something (Vegas, Branson, Massanutten) the trading power to get into it is not fixed and can be massively discounted. This isn’t all that different than II and when they make it easy to match something when they have a lot of of it in inventory — but it is more transparent in RCI weeks.
RCI has major issues with allowing Diamond, Bluegreen, Hilton to charge extra fees on top of the exchange fee of $299 and the trading power we pay.

My personal comparison of Marriott exchanges in II to Hilton exchanges in RCI tells the full story of what the true cost is of an exchange. No one can tell me that a Hilton in RCI (2 bedroom) compared to a Marriott in II of the same size is superior enough to pay $299 + $175 in resort fees.

People here talk up RCI and I don't get it. I truly have to be absolutely sure I am going to use the week before I grab it. RCI insurance doesn't cover the $299 exchange fee, so it's a loss.

I am unhappy with RCI generally, and I used to love RCI.
 
Here is a tidbit about RCI. I reserved a couple of weeks through RCI Points that are supposed to be in weeks. I could hold the reservations until I had them confirmed, and it said weeks (all start on Saturdays and 7 nights). This resort is not showing up in weeks. This inventory is being offered to points, not to weeks.

Actually, the only points' owners who can see this particular resort currently is Wyndham owners. It's Hilton, so maybe a preference for Wyndham owners into Hilton inventory, which is cool by me.
 
RCI has major issues with allowing Diamond, Bluegreen, Hilton to charge extra fees on top of the exchange fee of $299 and the trading power we pay.
I usually blame the resorts for the resort fee but not the exchange. This impacts me less than you since I own HGVC and don’t trade into it through RCI.

Most of my RCI exchanges are internal VV exchanges.

Are resort fees exchange specific. For instance, do the Diamond/HVC apply if you trade in through RCI but not through II?
 
It seems they are adjusting TDI to align across regions now where in the past it was only setup to show general demand within the same region? Perhaps this is related to all the point systems. Higher TDI for higher demand regions will cost more points now since they are setup to charge more points with higher TDI. In the past a 140 TDI Orlando week would cost the same amount of points as a 140 TDI Hawaii week. That is still the case, but there are a lot more 140 TDI Hawaii weeks now and a lot fewer 140 Orlando weeks.

Without reading through all the other posts, this makes me wonder if II is going to make a big push for membership in their points exchange level of ownership?

We really don’t play in the II exchange game very much, only exchanging a studio unit at the one independent resort we own and typically exchanging that week either for Branson shoulder season or back into our home resort moving from a smaller unit in a higher season to a larger unit in a lower season. Has the II points exchange system gained some traction? I was under the impression the majority exchanged weeks for weeks.

Perhaps II is making some major realignments in the TDI in order to facilitate more resorts moving towards II own points exchange with full week reservations becoming less popular than a few nights here and there? Maybe they’re closing loopholes in the system where members of II’s Club Membership program could nab weeks cheaper using Club Points vs making a week for week exchange?

We used our Club Membership points exchange once and found it to be a bad value vs just making a week for week exchange. I haven’t considered using o club points since and have always made our deposit a week deposit rather than a points deposit as that had better value for our needs? Perhaps I need to revisit this thought process.

I started reading this thread with only mild interest. I’m probably reading more into this than what’s really there. However, I don’t recall ever having seen major adjustments to the TDI until this thread. Honestly I never paid much attention as I had never noticed wild swings in demand back when we were actually using weeks exchanges as our primary method to travel to locations where we didn’t own.
 
Has the II points exchange system gained some traction? I was under the impression the majority exchanged weeks for weeks.
No, II don't "sell" or "push" for their points systems. Some independent resorts utilise it as the generic currency in II to use to exchange their weeks in. Other brands, like Hyatt and Welk and DVC have their own version of a points system with difference nuances about how it works. There is one brand that is currently marketing CIG points, Club Interval Gold points (one of the 2 generic II points systems), as a way to exchange in II without having to "own" and without enduring costs. You buy a set number of points for a set amount to be used over 3 years and the resort gets to dump their surplus inventory into II in the process of allocating you points. Any additional chatter is about the marketing of that, not anything fundamentally different in II. Their approach is very similar to the MX vacation clubs that have been around for many years, but the term with this is much shorter and you can top up if you want. All of the brands that use points in II deposit weeks as the inventory that goes into II so II is still a weeks based system.

Perhaps II is making some major realignments in the TDI in order to facilitate more resorts moving towards II own points exchange with full week reservations becoming less popular than a few nights here and there?
Other than shortstay exchange, which is not new, there is no reserving a few nights here and there in II.

Maybe they’re closing loopholes in the system where members of II’s Club Membership program could nab weeks cheaper using Club Points vs making a week for week exchange?
Could be, but that's no different from a low cost weeks trader or lock-off being cheaper than using a full unit, there are always pros and cons. That's why people own multiple different brands to trade off the relative costs and benefits of how they use what they own.

We used our Club Membership points exchange once and found it to be a bad value vs just making a week for week exchange. I haven’t considered using o club points since and have always made our deposit a week deposit rather than a points deposit as that had better value for our needs? Perhaps I need to revisit this thought process.
Always good to keep reviewing options for using ownership/membership as your needs change and the systems change. For most I suspect the basics haven't changed, but there will always be niche areas where there is new or decent value.

I started reading this thread with only mild interest. I’m probably reading more into this than what’s really there. However, I don’t recall ever having seen major adjustments to the TDI until this thread. Honestly I never paid much attention as I had never noticed wild swings in demand back when we were actually using weeks exchanges as our primary method to travel to locations where we didn’t own.
It isn't anything I've noticed before either so it is new and could just be that travel patterns have actually changed so this is needed to reflect this.
 
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