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Is dispute over lockdown a clash between elites and non elites

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Peggy Noonan, who was President Reagan's speech writer, wrote this article about a growing divide between those who want the lockdown extended and those who want the economy reopened becoming a class issue.

She writes: There is a class divide between those who are hard-line on lockdowns and those who are pushing back. We see the professionals on one side—those James Burnham called the managerial elite, and Michael Lind, in “The New Class War,” calls “the overclass”—and regular people on the other. The overclass are highly educated and exert outsize influence as managers and leaders of important institutions—hospitals, companies, statehouses. The normal people aren’t connected through professional or social lines to power structures, and they have regular jobs—service worker, small-business owner.

Her point is that the those who oppose continued lockdowns "have had harder lives than those now determining their fate. They haven’t had familial or economic ease. No one sent them to Yale. They often come from considerable family dysfunction. This has left them tougher or harder, you choose the word.
They’re more fatalistic about life because life has taught them to be fatalistic. And they look at these scientists and reporters making their warnings about how tough it’s going to be if we lift shutdowns and they don’t think, “Oh what informed, caring observers.” They think, “You have no idea what tough is. You don’t know what painful is.” And if you don’t know, why should you have so much say?


Those that oppose the continued lockdowns realize: Hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy taken down, which would mean millions of other casualties, economic ones. Or, hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy is damaged but still stands, in which case there will be fewer economic casualties—fewer bankruptcies and foreclosures, fewer unemployed and ruined.
The overclass says, “Wait three months before we’re safe.” They reply, “There’s no such thing as safe.”


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I think every person who wants the continued lock down must state whether they still have income or not. If you still have your full salary and benefits it's pretty easy to drive on traffic free roads to get your take out food that you easily pay for.
 

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I think every person who wants the continued lock down must state whether they still have income or not. If you still have your full salary and benefits it's pretty easy to drive on traffic free roads to get your take out food that you easily pay for.
And get you haircut, and a mani/pedicure.
 

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I think every person who wants the continued lock down must state whether they still have income or not. If you still have your full salary and benefits it's pretty easy to drive on traffic free roads to get your take out food that you easily pay for.
Do they have to admit if they are making more on unemployment?;)
 

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Do they have to admit if they are making more on unemployment?;)

Not a bad idea. Probably explains the Gen Z types being all for the lockdown.
 

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Ok, I am getting a little older now so Gen Z? I haven't heard of that one. I need to get out more, o wait I CANT !@#&% :poop:
 

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Not a bad idea. Probably explains the Gen Z types being all for the lockdown.
In our extended family that are not retired. 10 are working or working from home. 5 are on unemployment. Of the 10 working 8 are working from home and 6 of those have taken a small cut in pay. Of the 5 unemployed all are making more on unemployment and average 2X their former income. The record is a part time check out person making 6x their salary.
 

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Peggy Noonan, who was President Reagan's speech writer, wrote this article about a growing divide between those who want the lockdown extended and those who want the economy reopened becoming a class issue.

She writes: There is a class divide between those who are hard-line on lockdowns and those who are pushing back. We see the professionals on one side—those James Burnham called the managerial elite, and Michael Lind, in “The New Class War,” calls “the overclass”—and regular people on the other. The overclass are highly educated and exert outsize influence as managers and leaders of important institutions—hospitals, companies, statehouses. The normal people aren’t connected through professional or social lines to power structures, and they have regular jobs—service worker, small-business owner.

Her point is that the those who oppose continued lockdowns "have had harder lives than those now determining their fate. They haven’t had familial or economic ease. No one sent them to Yale. They often come from considerable family dysfunction. This has left them tougher or harder, you choose the word.
They’re more fatalistic about life because life has taught them to be fatalistic. And they look at these scientists and reporters making their warnings about how tough it’s going to be if we lift shutdowns and they don’t think, “Oh what informed, caring observers.” They think, “You have no idea what tough is. You don’t know what painful is.” And if you don’t know, why should you have so much say?


Those that oppose the continued lockdowns realize: Hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy taken down, which would mean millions of other casualties, economic ones. Or, hundreds of thousands could die and the American economy is damaged but still stands, in which case there will be fewer economic casualties—fewer bankruptcies and foreclosures, fewer unemployed and ruined.
The overclass says, “Wait three months before we’re safe.” They reply, “There’s no such thing as safe.”


https://peggynoonan.com/


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Peggy Noonan -- This Wall Street Journal opinion writer has plenty of opinions on the federal government's coronavirus response !
(or lack thereof)
 
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In our extended family that are not retired. 10 are working or working from home. 5 are on unemployment. Of the 10 working 8 are working from home and 6 of those have taken a small cut in pay. Of the 5 unemployed all are making more on unemployment and average 2X their former income. The record is a part time check out person making 6x their salary.
The record is a part time check out person making 6x their salary. I hope they are funding a Roth IRA with some of that. Glad that their UI checks are getting sent. Avg 8 weeks no UI checks in MI.
 

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I think every person who wants the continued lock down must state whether they still have income or not. If you still have your full salary and benefits it's pretty easy to drive on traffic free roads to get your take out food that you easily pay for.

Sure, just as soon as the people who are protesting in favor of opening up the economy *in places where new virus contractions are still happening* sign a waiver pledging that should they become infected and require medical assistance, they'll voluntarily refrain from adding to the horrific burden already being borne by medical professionals doing heroic work.
 

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In our extended family that are not retired. 10 are working or working from home. 5 are on unemployment. Of the 10 working 8 are working from home and 6 of those have taken a small cut in pay. Of the 5 unemployed all are making more on unemployment and average 2X their former income. The record is a part time check out person making 6x their salary.

I'm still fully employed for now. My three sisters are all unemployed. 2 are hairdressers and one is a fitness trainer. Two of their husbands are fully employed. One hairdresser sister is married to a a musician who is unemployed.

My wife's unemployment is way more than she makes. She had a part time job at a fancy women's clothing store.
 

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I'm not clear on when people started getting divided into Elite and non-Elite. I know it's been out there a while, I happily missed its initiation. I just don't think of people that way and wouldn't mind seeing these labels go away.

That said, it probably does depend on what you do (did?) for a living before this, and what you're doing now. I think that how one thinks about this has something to do with how many friends and family have fallen to the virus, how many lil ones or elderly in your complement, who has pre-existing conditions, etc. Or how many healthcare workers in your circle. Or, for some, it might be only about money.

I don't think it is so cut and dried.
 

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I'm not clear on when people started getting divided into Elite and non-Elite. I know it's been out there a while, I happily missed its initiation. I just don't think of people that way and wouldn't mind seeing these labels go away.

That said, it probably does depend on what you do (did?) for a living before this, and what you're doing now. I think that how one thinks about this has something to do with how many friends and family have fallen to the virus, how many lil ones or elderly in your complement, who has pre-existing conditions, etc. Or how many healthcare workers in your circle. Or, for some, it might be only about money.

I don't think it is so cut and dried.
Nothing in life is.
 
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