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iPod Touch - 8GB vs 16 GB?

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We're looking at getting our 13 year old son an iPod Touch for Xmas and we're quite torn over the 8GB vs the 16 GB. Price difference is basically $229 vs $299.
Anyone have one and able to give us some guidance on how much size he might actually need?

  • Right now he has about 4 hours worth of music on his old iPod.
  • I would guess he would put a FEW games that could be purchased from iTune on it (say, less than 10).
  • He might have 2-3 movies on there (especially if you can take a movie on DVD and put it on your computer and then load it on the iPod....can you do that?). These would probably just be put on for a trip or something like that, and even then it wouldn't be a necessity at all.....movies could be taken off after viewing.).
  • I'm picturing him NOT having a lot of photos on it.....certainly less than 75. He's not a big picture-taker.
  • Videos.....but less than 100.
  • Is there anything else that a 13 year old boy would put on it that would gobble up tons of GB's? Apps, etc?


So mostly music, a few videos. Maybe a movie or two short-term. Couple of games.
Would a 8GB be fine?
 
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Bigger Is Better

I have the last generation Touch IPOD. I love it. The unit has 7.5 GB. That is enough to hold all of my music (everything recorded in the 60s) and my favorite Podcasts (NPR).

But I can only hold about 2 movies on it. That isn't enough for when you take it on a trip. It leaves me with one movie for the flight to Maui and one movie for the flight home. Nothing for when I'm sitting at the airport.

I don't have any games. That would undoubtedly require more memory.

If you can afford the extra memory, it is worth it. (I'm buying my wife one for Xmas).
 

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More space is always better, you always end up wishing you had more. The difference in cost is not that bad, esp. considering it's flash memory. I've got the generation pre-touch w/ a 30GB hard drive and between podcasts and music it's currently almost full.
 

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Thanks! That is so helpful!

Can you explain to me how the internet connection works? If he has it in a free wifi area (like Starbucks or something) can he simply hook up to the internet with it (say to his Yahoo email account)? Can you surf the web for free?
And is the navigation system on it free?
Or are all of these things that you need to buy a wifi or nav system subscription or somehow pay for in order to use them?

When you have the iTouch, what kinds of things can you use it for for free? (navigation directions, internet.....?????!)

THANK YOU!
I keep reading the Apple info, but it doesn't really tell me what I'm trying to figure out!
 

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For $70, get the larger one. music, photos, podcasts, etc don't take up much space. Videos take up a ton of space.

If your music files are huge mp3 files (for example, if you ripped them yourself) or huge lossless files, you can have itunes convert them to AAC 128, and they will be smaller and you can fit more on the ipod.

-David
 
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When you have the iTouch, what kinds of things can you use it for for free? (navigation directions, internet.....?????!)

The touch is basically the iphone without the phone. It has wifi, but you have to be in range of a hotspot (and maybe pay for it) or near your own or open wireless router to use the wifi. So, if you're at Starbucks and have a registered Starbucks card, for example, you get 2 free hours of wifi per day, once you register that card. (I think you have to use the card once every 30 days or so to get the free hours every day. It's supposed to be every day, but I've heard from others that it's actually implemented as every 30 days.) How useful is that? I guess it depends. I've used it to look up things as I was having conversations with friends at Starbucks, but I can't say I use the wifi very often. I keep the wifi turned off on mine, unless I want to use it. You should keep it turned off for battery life unless you are using that feature.

What it's great for is watching movies, tv shows, movies, etc when you are traveling.

It does support a bunch of the apps that are available for the iphone, but I haven't really found any interesting ones. I'm not much of a game player, but it does have an accelerometer, so the ads you see on tv with people shaking or twisting it to control the game will all work on it. There's some free games available for it also in the app store.

Since there's no 3G/GSM chip inside (for the phone part) any app that relies on being connected to the internet all the time isn't very useful. So, that basically includes navigation, etc. When you browse apps in the app store, it tells you if the app is suitable for the touch or not.

Frankly, when I first bought mine (a first gen 8G version), I had no idea why I bought it, but then after reading some posts on the tivocommunity forum, I found out how to modify the tivo desktop plus software to add H.264 video conversion to it. (It already supports conversion for the Apple ipod, however, the dimensions/rez of the conversion was not tailored for the touch). Using that, I download a bunch of video from the tivo before my trips and load it up onto the ipod. It generally ends up using about .5 gigabytes or less per hour of video when you do it this way. Since all my trips are 5 hours or more, it's been great to have an alternative to the standard airline programming.

The other thing I find it really handy for is keeping my calendar on it when I travel. I can sync my google calendar to outlook (google has a free app to do it, and you can choose the direction of the sync) and the itunes app on the PC will sync the calendar from outlook. If you have a Mac, you don't need outlook to do it. It's kind of silly that you have to have outlook to do this on a PC, but that's the way it is. (My pet peeve is they should have a way to just load standard ical files on to it, but they don't.) It's kind of annoying to do this because you have to make outlook your default mail app before you run the sync in itunes, and then switch the default back to whatever other email program you normally use if it isn't outlook. It's only a couple of button clicks to do that, but it's a bit annoying.

The other thing I do with mine, but this isn't specific to the ipod touch, is subscribe to the NPR podcast for Car Talk on itunes, which is free, but you have to download it each week, or it disappears from the itunes store, and load all of them onto my ipod touch. There's tons of free podcasts, and they will work with any version of the ipod.

-David
 
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Can you explain to me how the internet connection works? If he has it in a free wifi area (like Starbucks or something) can he simply hook up to the internet with it (say to his Yahoo email account)? Can you surf the web for free?
And is the navigation system on it free?
Or are all of these things that you need to buy a wifi or nav system subscription or somehow pay for in order to use them?

It has a built in web browser, mail app, etc. So when you are connected to a wifi connection, you can use those just like you use any web browser or email client. There's no charge for using those apps, but you may have to pay to access the hotspot if it isn't free. All the built-in apps are free.

When you turn on wifi, just like with your laptop, if it doesn't recognize the connection, it will let you choose to connect to it or not. Just like with a laptop, you can have it remember connections you've already made. For example, once you connect to a t-mobile hotspot, it will remember that if you want it to. You don't pay for the hotspot until you log into it, as with all paid hotspots. With the AT&T/Starbucks free wifi deal, you'll register your starbucks card at starbucks.com and then register it with AT&T and get an AT&T hotspot user account name and password via the starbucks site. When you connect, you will choose the AT&T hotpot, then start the browser, and then it will have you log in to the AT&T hotspot. It's all pretty much the same as using wifi on a laptop when traveling.

I guess I have to look at mine again, since I don't really know what sort of navigation it has built into it. I know you can get google maps on it, of course. When in your car, the navigation function isn't as useful as a GPS or the one in the iphone, because they depend on being able to receive GPS signals all the time.

-David
 
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My children bought me the 30G and I love it! I would definitely get the large memory one for anyone under 40...lol
 

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I only have the 8G but I don't have any video I keep on the unit. My computer has a 17 inch screen and that is much better for me for viewing videos.

Music - I have about 1100+ songs and that takes up 4G.

Games and Apps don't take up that much space.

Videos are the real memory hogs.

I got my 8G for only $170 about a 8 months ago, so for I couldn't argue. Prices have dropped, so I might consider a larger memory now. But it works for me....
 

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I have never heard of anyone complaining about having too much. I would get the 16G.

Enjoy, it is a great tool and a lot of fun.

Donna
 

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Thank you, everyone! You're more helpful than all the salespeople and online information at BestBuy and the Apple Store combined!!!! :cheer:
 

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I have the 32g and would highly recommend getting the largest storage capacity you can afford. If you have wireless at your home or you travel a lot-- most motels and lots of timeshares have wireless, he will get a lot of use out of it. You can now download many game apps on it and many of them are free and others don't cost to much. Great gift, he will love whatever size you get him, but will thank you in the long run for the larger capacity. I have a hard time kepping mine away from my 16 year old daughter... I think she thinks it's hers!

Just another thought, if you buy it at Costco they have a 90 day return policy in case you want a larger capacity...

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Interestind in More TiVo Info from Icarus

Icarus,

I'd love to chat with you about how to transfer my tivo recordings to my 16G Iphone 3G. I played with tivo's desktop app a bit a few years ago, but i'm on my third computer since then and haven't played with it at all since then. Is it worth me looking back into? I travel constantly for work, many hours on planes and the best in the past 6 mos have been those when I have been fortunate enough to have my partner burn some DVDs into MP4 format and put them onto my iPhone for me. We have dozens of hours of TiVo stuff that I'd love to be able to easily send to my phone for plane viewing. Please help if you can find the time!

Thanks!

P.S. Perhaps I should have started a new thread. Sorry. To the OP... Go for maximum memory! Your son will love you for it!
 

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There are many ways to do this. This is the method I use.

First you need Tivo Desktop Plus, which is the paid version.

The plus version comes with built-in conversion for the ipod. In order to make it work better with the ipod touch, we need to change the resolution of the conversion so it better matches the ipod touch's resolution. You can follow the instructions in post #16 in this thread:

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=371529

Don't forget to save the changes. Then after you start downloading, you can convert to H.264 format using the Tivo Desktop Plus software and drag the resulting file into itunes when the conversion is done, if it doesn't find it itself. Once you copy it to your ipod in itunes, you can delete the original, the converted file and the copy in itunes library if you want to. (Turn of automatic sync. I assume you don't use auto sync in itunes.)

Don't worry, it's easy to edit the H.264 profile in the app, and you only have to do it once.

Downloading from the tivo is slow. The conversion is also slow, so plan ahead. I usually pick a bunch of files for the transfer and let it transfer them overnight. Then I start the conversions as soon as one of the transfers is done, or start them all the next morning. Figure about .5GB per hour of video after the conversion. With my 802.11g wireless setup, the transfer takes a bit less than the time of the programming. The conversion takes about the same time as the program. If there are certain series you always want transferred to your PC, the tivo desktop software will do that for you.

-David
 
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Nice!

Thanks, Icarus, for the step by step. It seems like it may well be worth it to pay for the 'Plus' version if it works as well as you seem to imply. I'll be looking into it over the week to see if it will meet my needs. Have you been able to figure out a way to access your TiVo remotely? This is what I've been hoping for for years. Sitting in a hotel in Dallas, and watching a movie, or the latest Episode of '24' on my laptop or phone. I'd love to hear what you know on that subject as well!

Thanks again!

P.S. And no, you are correct. I do not use the auto sync... ever... very scary results!
 
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