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II International elite - harder to trade into

winnipiseogee

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Has anyone else noticed that ever since II introduced "International Elite" for the Marriott and HGVC properties its gotten A LOT harder to trade into them?

Among other things we've traded into the Marriotts in Aruba in the fall every year no issues. No I've used weeks with more trading power than I have in the past and I still can't get a match.
 

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No answer to that question, just wanted to say hello from a New Hampshire girl who just joined Tug! I did belong to II two years ago and owned at Vistana, but since sold to a friend. Now I don't feel like the only New Englander!:)
 

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I havent noticed any difference. Keep in mind that trading power can change from year to year. That you traded into a particular resort one year doesnt mean you will always have enough trade power to trade into that resort. Interval adjusts trade power from time to time based on quality and demand.
 

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Slightly related but different - I just noticed on the Williamsburg Plantation TDI chart that they now use different colour codes for demand on different years. In 2016 vs 2017, there are some March / April weeks that have substantially different TDIs depending on the year. I hope that doesn't suck too much trade power out of my unit (week 14) as it was formerly rated higher when it was just one colour for all years. I've got a triennial, so this should be a treat to try and figure out.
 

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I haven't noticed it much harder with the change. Is it possibly that everyone is taking the units while still in priority for Marriott owners ?

The only area where I find a difference as II has downgraded the value of studio units dramatically. I used to be able to grab 2 & 3 br units in Ko Olina with my studio units all the time but no it requires a 1 br unless it is last minute.
 

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About the same I saw that and ran some tests. My results actually improved over previous years
 

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Slightly related but different - I just noticed on the Williamsburg Plantation TDI chart that they now use different colour codes for demand on different years. In 2016 vs 2017, there are some March / April weeks that have substantially different TDIs depending on the year. I hope that doesn't suck too much trade power out of my unit (week 14) as it was formerly rated higher when it was just one colour for all years. I've got a triennial, so this should be a treat to try and figure out.

The TDI for Williamsburg during March/April will vary depending on when the Easter/Passover school break is.
 

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I haven't noticed it much harder with the change. Is it possibly that everyone is taking the units while still in priority for Marriott owners ?

The only area where I find a difference as II has downgraded the value of studio units dramatically. I used to be able to grab 2 & 3 br units in Ko Olina with my studio units all the time but no it requires a 1 br unless it is last minute.
I agree with your assesment. The studios have lost a lot of trade power. Now a 1br is needed in most instances for bigger units. Ahh the old days are gone of getting a 3br at mko with a studio 4 months out.
 

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I have seen no noticeable difference in being able to see the new Elite resorts before or now after the designation was added.

I think there has been a longer term restriction in trade power of higher level properties, especially being able to trade in to larger units with studio units. We are still getting good trades and still trading our studio units in to larger units. It requires some flexibility though.
 

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Has anyone looked closely at the new TDI's? I think some people may be using the standard holiday/week TDI's and not referencing the year-specific TDI's for 2017.

This is not necessarily a look-back comment, but really a look-forward comment.

Has this been in place before and I just haven't noticed it?
 

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Has anyone looked closely at the new TDI's? I think some people may be using the standard holiday/week TDI's and not referencing the year-specific TDI's for 2017.

This is not necessarily a look-back comment, but really a look-forward comment.

Has this been in place before and I just haven't noticed it?

The TDI tables in the new book are new. They have adjusted them to show the differences in TDI for certain weeks (mainly holiday weeks) that differ from one year to the next.
 

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The Elite resorts really have no direct connection to trading power. It should generally indicate a higher trading power needed but not any higher than before they added the new tag.

High supply areas in shoulder and off season are still not going to need much power whether the resort is Elite or not.

Westgate Smoky Mountains is tagged as Elite. Should it be? It's decent for a Westgate and in an area with lower quality resorts but does it meet II's definition of "Elite"? Judging from reviews it definitely does not come remotely close. Not horrible but on par with the best of the best? No way.

Perhaps II is using a given region to tag the best as Elite which would definitely make sense in the case of WSM.
 
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The Elite resorts really have no direct connection to trading power. It should generally indicate a higher trading power needed but not any higher than before they added the new tag.

High supply areas in shoulder and off season are still not going to need much power whether the resort is Elite or not.

Westgate Smoky Mountains is tagged as Elite. Should it be? It's decent for a Westgate and in an area with lower quality resorts but does it meet II's definition of "Elite"? Judging from reviews it definitely does not come remotely close. Not horrible but on par with the best of the best? No way.

Perhaps II is using a given region to tag the best as Elite which would definitely make sense in the case of WSM.

Is there somewhere in the new I.I. book that list all the new Elite resorts and International resorts.
 
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