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As many of you know, I have a daughter that is a junior in high school. We are now wrapping up week #4 of at home , e-learning.

I'd love to hear from other parents of elem ed or high school students on how you think things are going.

In my world, there is virtually zero educating or learning going on. I'm ok with it as this whole thing is for a short period in a child's entire development.

My concern is for this fall -- if schools remain closed and we continue with what I see now, Yeah, I think we have some issues.
 

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2 in college online now. Same syllabus, some modified assignments. given the circumstances, it's working very well. I think that's b/c college also offer online courses and turn in assignments via online anyway even in live classes, and every student is required to have a computer, so they had the infrastructure in place.
For HS, it's a VERY different story-almost complete fail. Our district just decided to make 3Q grade also be 4Q grades. They're allowing kids to make up any 3Q work before finalized and some limited math and AP prep. Another county, per the news, had multiple issues with crashing systems, log ons and even student behavior online (this is a top school district in the US).
If I had a HS student still, I'd put them online with Khan Academy. Excellent STEM as well as decent liberal arts. You can pretty much homeschool HS using Khan. It'll keep skills up and is an excellent prep for college.
 

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I have elementary, middle and high school kids. The elearning is very underwhelming. They are done in under 2 hours/day, so my husband is supplementing with some other materials, while I'm busy wfh daily.
Some of my friends' kids' school districts have a Zoom with their teacher daily. My kids have about 1-2/week.
Like you, I'm just considering this a blip in time, so it's ok, but if it lasted longer term, it is completely insufficient.
One interesting thing is the AP exam change. It's now a 45 minute written exam on computer. Should be interesting.

Our district, and most around us, are taking the stance that grades cannot drop during this period, but they can go up if you complete all your assignments and do well. That seems fair.

They are very concerned that the lower income kids without internet or heavy parent involvement (think essential workers who are out of the house) will fall behind during this out of school time, so they don't want any students getting too far ahead. Makes sense.
 

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@needvaca Our district has the exact same stance: Grades can't be lowered and I think there is great concern about the inequalities in all of this . In fact, I have a hunch that's why grades can't be punitive right now.

The other interesting thing is that it looks like most / many college applications next year are not going to require SAT/ACT.
 

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I have a 2nd grader. We are finding other ways to learn in addition to the school work which is pretty easy for her. We had a zoom cooking class today, this afternoon a zoom art class. We just purchased an herb planter that we are going to assemble and plant herbs in tomorrow. Yesterday I told her to pick a topic and write a short paper on it. She choose "What is the Berlin wall and why did it come down"? I am trying to make things as stress free as possible for her with lots of fun involved. She is still able to connect with her friends for social time on Kids Messenger. We get out and go for walks daily or swim in the pool. She still has martial arts class 5 days a week via zoom so is getting exercise. Truly is is not that bad.
Both my husband and I work in healthcare. I have choosen to stay home with her because I do not want her going to my parents daily. My first extended work break since I graduated college 22 years ago. I am really enjoying it. Getting lots done around the house. Having more time to exercise. Lost 15 lbs!!
 

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In our home, e-learning with 2 high school students is terrible, horrible, no good and very bad.

I have 2 HS students, and their school is requiring distance learning. Which for the most part is teachers listing assignments and due dates, and kids working through the work independently with the opportunity to reach out to teachers for help.

For one child, independent learning is going fine. He is working on and turning in homework, although I am not sure how much actual learning is taking place. Outside of his dual college courses, much of the work seems like busywork.

For our other child, his world is completely turned upside down and we are living in a cycle of anxiety, depression, and acting out. Thankfully we have the resources and support of an independent counselor that he already had started developing a relationship with, but it has been a difficult quarantine for the entire family. Each day brings new challenges, some glimpses of our son, some moments when we think we’re heading in the right direction, and others that just keep us up at night.

Feeling thankful that we are not walking this road alone, and that we have the resources available to help.
 

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@mentalbreak Im so sorry to hear this. Like you, it’s not going well here either with my high schooler.
 

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My high school sophomores (twins) are doing fine. Edward in particular is loving the independence. He is a hermit at heart...he never has to leave his recliner! His twin, Audrey, is missing her friends....both for the socialization and the competition. (Both twins have the one AP class our school lets them take as sophomores, and then the rest are honors courses.) My 8th grader is hanging in there, too. I think she needs the competitive piece as well...but she's getting along okay on her own. The special ed kids I serve are all over the place. I do a daily "office hour" and then work 1:1 with kids on zoom as well. The problem is...there's no way to compel them to come for help like I can do if they are with me in person. Sigh. Just doing the best I can with what I have, and trying to let the rest go. Our district is going to end school 6/5 (rather than 6/18.) THANK GOODNESS!
 

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About 1/3rd of my kids won't do any work regardless of how many times I contact their parents. This is Algebra 1 I'm talking about. I made myself available 9 am to 9 pm every day and they are doing all their work on Khan Academy and can message me when they need help. For the kids not doing anything, I'm just going to fail them. The kids are using this pandemic as an excuse for an early summer. I know they all have devices because our district made sure every family had one. I've spoken to every family; they have internet too. Idk why my district puts all the 8th graders that are on grade level in Algebra 1. It's an advanced class and half of them aren't mature enough for high school. I hope they put the kids that had end up with less than a C back into the class next year. Those kids are going to have a hard time with Geometry and are pretty screwed when they hit Algebra II. We BARELY covered quadratics before *bleep* hit the fan.
 

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I feel for anyone who has a child at home instead of at school. My own "child" was home for several month after she broke her hip and had surgery. Instead of returning back to school (she was in a boarding school) she returned home and stayed home through her spring break. The school sent assignments, etc. Being the kind of child she is, she buckled down and went back caught up, or even ahead of her class. The only class she really couldn't do on her own was whatever level of math she was in (Freshman year of high school). We got her a tutor for that, so that was the only hands on learning she had.
 

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I assure you that is not the case with all of your students that are not participating (and parents).

I never said that it was. I said that after mentioning the kids that weren't doing anything.
 

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Re. Alg 1 in 8th grade.
Older DD went to alg 1 in 8th and was not mature enough. I had her repeat in 9th grade even though she made a C.
then 5 years ago our school district and Others in metro DC implemented a strict policy-must be in advanced preA with B+ or better and pass advanced on state learning exam to go to alg 1 in 8th.
Younger dd had no issues.
DS got a B bc he didn't turn in some hw. So no alg1 for him. I didn't like it at 1st, but it was a good policy-he’s doing fine in business calculus in college now.
 

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It’s happening. Have 2nd through Preschool. Our 2nd-K are meeting w/ their classes at least 5hrs a week. Preschooler is 2hrs/wk. We have a lot of resources online so my kids are busy busy busy. 3 of my 4 have IEPs and that’s were we have issues. Zero supports for 2 of my children. Consulting only support for 1. Thankfully I have private resources to assist but I am concerned about when we start the new year. We are going rogue w/ learning to keep my children interested actually. Online learning has really showed me that my children are either not being challenged or need additional supports to thrive.
 

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These stories mirror what I am seeing (and trying to help parents and students through) at this time and illustrates how unprepared for this type of learning (?) we are/were across the board. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of our students started the online learning period with good intentions - now that number has dwindled to something around 1/4 of our students.

Of the half we have yet to see online, some of them may be doing the work on paper but our school is NOT grading the work - just checking off the names of those students who do the work (whether it is correct or not is irrelevant through this time).

I do know some curriculum changes I will be making in the next SY - in part due to anticipation of a similar occurrence again in the future but also building upon the increased home access from this experience to provide students with increased use of online resources.

Some of the teachers I support have really stood out during this period but sadly the majority have pretty much given minimal (at best) effort and let the more tech savvy teachers bear the brunt of the load. I can only hope administration takes notice of those who went above and beyond and reward them appropriately but that too is a weakness of the education sector.
 

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About 1/3rd of my kids won't do any work regardless of how many times I contact their parents. This is Algebra 1 I'm talking about. I made myself available 9 am to 9 pm every day and they are doing all their work on Khan Academy and can message me when they need help. For the kids not doing anything, I'm just going to fail them. The kids are using this pandemic as an excuse for an early summer. I know they all have devices because our district made sure every family had one. I've spoken to every family; they have internet too. Idk why my district puts all the 8th graders that are on grade level in Algebra 1. It's an advanced class and half of them aren't mature enough for high school. I hope they put the kids that had end up with less than a C back into the class next year. Those kids are going to have a hard time with Geometry and are pretty screwed when they hit Algebra II. We BARELY covered quadratics before *bleep* hit the fan.
My sister and nieces are public school teachers. That is a rough assessment. Should you may be stop teaching if you are so burnt out?
 

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My sister and nieces are public school teachers. That is a rough assessment. Should you may be stop teaching if you are so burnt out?
While I understand your point here, the question that should be asked and answered is why more kids have to be pampered, cajoled, persuaded and even pandered to in order to motivate them. Moreover, what is wrong with administrations who seem to be expecting this from their staff?
When we lower the bar of expectations so often and never hold kids responsible for their lack of effort they are learning that effort is not required - just wait a bit and the teachers will make it easier.
It is not a problem of teacher burn out as much as it is a lack of student turn on.
 

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While I understand your point here, the question that should be asked and answered is why more kids have to be pampered, cajoled, persuaded and even pandered to in order to motivate them. Moreover, what is wrong with administrations who seem to be expecting this from their staff?
When we lower the bar of expectations so often and never hold kids responsible for their lack of effort they are learning that effort is not required - just wait a bit and the teachers will make it easier.
It is not a problem of teacher burn out as much as it is a lack of student turn on.
Do you think it is a parenting issue? I do not remember being cajoled, pampered or persuaded. I do remember when a particular teacher took his or her time to push me by asking me to come after school for more explanation. I agree that motivation has to come from the student as well as genuine curiosity. I remember my sister spent many family holiday gatherings grading papers after the dishes were cleared and put away. My niece has a particular student who was doing poorly but pulled it out. They communicate even now that student is in college. So, teachers are certainly committed to their students.
 

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I have a middle schooler and a high schooler. Our school district has moved to a pass/incomplete grading system. The kids have to show mastery of the learning objectives outlined by the state to pass the course. If they don’t then they receive an incomplete. I think our school district and teachers are doing a really good job. The teachers hold regular office hours. The work load isn’t too much.
 

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Our governor recently hinted that schools may not be allowed to open for Fall term this year. For all of you that are struggling with your kids or teaching kids via distance learning, imagine what it will be like if, after a summer break, schools do not open and they need to extend the online learning for the first term (or longer) in the Fall.

Kurt
 

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In other words under e-learning every student will advance to the next grade. That will look good for state and federal government reports.
No students will be left behind for the first semester of the year 2020. IMHO.

Please do not flame an old man..
 

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In other words under e-learning every student will advance to the next grade. That will look good for state and federal government reports.
No students will be left behind for the first semester of the year 2020. IMHO.

Please do not flame an old man..

Not exactly. You still have to do the work. There are a good number of kids who aren’t doing that.
 

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My sister and nieces are public school teachers. That is a rough assessment. Should you may be stop teaching if you are so burnt out?

I'm not burned out. Teaching that age group just sucks. I had to take the job because I went on a year leave and returned early and that was what was available. I go back to my Chemistry position next year. Teaching Chemistry is 1000x better than teaching middle schoolers. I personally don't understand WHY people teach middle school over high school. I don't think it's a "burnt out" issue. When people discuss which age group they despised the most as a parent, the most common answer is 13-14.
 

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Do you think it is a parenting issue? I do not remember being cajoled, pampered or persuaded. I do remember when a particular teacher took his or her time to push me by asking me to come after school for more explanation. I agree that motivation has to come from the student as well as genuine curiosity. I remember my sister spent many family holiday gatherings grading papers after the dishes were cleared and put away. My niece has a particular student who was doing poorly but pulled it out. They communicate even now that student is in college. So, teachers are certainly committed to their students.
@lockewong - that is an excellent question and one that is really worth considering on a deeper level.

I know the following is an editorial cartoon but it really summarizes the change that has occurred in education over the past years.
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The onus of responsibility for student learning has been placed far too much on the teacher's shoulders while it has concurrently been lifted from the shoulders of the parent, school and district administration, and mostly the student. When my oldest kids were moving through high school, our math program was structure in such a way that it offered students three opportunities to demonstrate their grasp of subject material. It did NOT matter whether a student made a perfect score on their first attempt or somewhere later in this process - all 100% scores (regadless when earned) were considered the same.

It did not take students long to make two very accurate observations. Homework was pretty much ignored because a student could use the first test attempt to see what the test looked like (what type of questions would be on the test) and then use test 2 and 3 to get the same score the students who learned the material earned with one test. Class participation and attention plummeted (as students learned to make as little as effort as possible until the teacher 'revealed' the test) but administration looked at the metrics and deemed this approach a success. Actual learning decreased, less content was covered, but administration could look at reports that created a false sense of student competence and parade these in front of the public. This approach is spreading and it is a cancer!

You asked is this a parenting issue - my reply is a certain yes given the quality of parenting (and I hesitate to call it that) far to many of our students get at home(s) these days.
School administration continues to put kids back in classrooms who have no business being there (due to behavior issues) citing the rights of the student yet conveniently overlooking the rights of the other student(s) in the classroom.

I do not expect a classroom full of perfect angels (but wouldn't that be fun!) because I deal with kids who are still learning how to act in a social situation. There will be set backs as students learn - I get that. I've had some students screw up in class who (after dealing with them on an individual level) figured out a better way. I'll remember and recall these kids with a special fondness as they move on through the grades and do they best they can.

But our society is increasingly turning out kids who lack support (of all kinds) at home, who cannot function in social situations, and whose presence in the classroom destroys the educational quality for the remaining students in the class. Teachers cannot fix every problem they are given, but administration prefers to ignore that reality.

Yeah, it frustrates me.
 

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I'm not burned out. Teaching that age group just sucks. I had to take the job because I went on a year leave and returned early and that was what was available. I go back to my Chemistry position next year. Teaching Chemistry is 1000x better than teaching middle schoolers. I personally don't understand WHY people teach middle school over high school. I don't think it's a "burnt out" issue. When people discuss which age group they despised the most as a parent, the most common answer is 13-14.
It does take a special teacher with empathy to teach and support middle school. I had really rough years with a run-in of "mean girls" who gave me the cold shoulder after I have no idea what. But, I also had an English teacher who pushed me to enter her public speaking extracurricular class and an Algebra teacher who was patient and supportive. I will never forget those teachers. As awful as it was socially, I really was very lucky. I am sure you made many students very happy and more confident and as you encouraged them to persevere. They will always be grateful even though they cannot articulated it for years until they realize how much a difference you made to their education and to their lives.
 
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