Historical data on HGVC resale deeds

[yodaDaenerys]

Is there a resource available with past sales prices for resale deeds? I own 2 EOY even deeds in Orlando (retail purchases, sadly), and I am thinking to get some more points by buying an annual points deed and selling my current deeds.

I'm wondering if there is data available to review, so I can get an idea of the out of pocket after all is said and done.

 

[4TimeAway]

rofr.net

But maybe just ebay. Not sure there's much value there.

 

[yodaDaenerys]

a related thought, if i sell my deeds that got me MAX, and buy resale, do I lose MAX? i don't value MAX much, but it would be good to know. I think I would not lose MAX in this case. Does anyone know?

 

[yodaDaenerys]

rofr.net

But maybe just ebay. Not sure there's much value there.

at rofr.net, if the result is shown as 'Passed', that means Hilton did not exercise their right to purchase, do i have that right?

 

[raddoc]

a related thought, if i sell my deeds that got me MAX, and buy resale, do I lose MAX? i don't value MAX much, but it would be good to know. I think I would not lose MAX in this case. Does anyone know?

That's an excellent question. Is it covered in your sales contract? If not, it might require contacting Club Support to clarify (an email would probably be better than a call so there is a written record).

Regarding past resale prices, I didn't have any luck with that when I was looking to purchase. Even the brokers I had contacted weren't able (weren't willing?) to provide resale price history for comparable deeds. It might be that the effort may not be worth their time.

Reported sales on rofr.net tend to be like the "greatest hits" in terms of lowest prices. As a rule of thumb you should expect to pay more than those posted amounts. You can also post the deal you're considering and get feedback on whether or not it's reasonable, most members are happy to chime in on that.

There have been multiple discussions regarding whether it's better to hold out for an exceptionally good deal (or for a "unicorn deed") or whether it's better to pay a bit more to wrap things up quickly and get the points sooner so you can enjoy the vacations earlier. Completely your call on that.

 

[BingoBangoBongo]

Is there a resource available with past sales prices for resale deeds? I own 2 EOY even deeds in Orlando (retail purchases, sadly), and I am thinking to get some more points by buying an annual points deed and selling my current deeds.

I'm wondering if there is data available to review, so I can get an idea of the out of pocket after all is said and done.

If you really wanted to spend some time on this you might be able to search the County deed website to see what prices are recorded on filings. I’ve never searched Orlando, but I’ve searched DC, Vegas and Breckenridge. If memory serves me, you might have to calculate the sales price based on the filing fee paid but it’s been awhile since I searched.

 

[HuskerATL]

a related thought, if i sell my deeds that got me MAX, and buy resale, do I lose MAX? i don't value MAX much, but it would be good to know. I think I would not lose MAX in this case. Does anyone know?

by the rules you lose Max, same as you lose Elite when you sell elite qualifying points. Also, Max is not transferable so if you sell a property that put you in Max, then the person buy it, via resale, doesn't get Max with it.

Here are the rules about it from the club guide:

 

[HuskerATL]

at rofr.net, if the result is shown as 'Passed', that means Hilton did not exercise their right to purchase, do i have that right?

correct. Passed means that HGV did not take it.

 

[HuskerATL]

Our last total cost (purchase price + closing)/pt was 0.24 so I use that for comparison when looking at other deeds. I also try to stay at 0.10 or less for the MF/pt.

 

[4TimeAway]

You could look at listings to see if you can find a deed like yours for sale. It will show asking prices, but it’s a starting point. There's just so many options and the perfect fit, starting point with deeds and changing usage is hard to predict.
https://www.timesharebrokersales.com/hilton-timeshare/

Sounds like you might be stuck with this deal. How bad is the MF/pt?

You might be better to dollar cost average down the portfolio of timeshares. The Craigendarroch Lodges might be worth a look.

 

[ABCTravels]

One thought, if both of your EOY deeds came with Max, you would only need to keep one of them to keep Max. You can sell/give away the other one to reduce the overall maintenance fees you are paying and then add on a resell to increase the points bucket. You can watch the changes to the system over the next few years and if you continue to find no value in Max you can always get rid of that deed then and be resell only with no Max.

 

[Wgk101]

If you search under resort reviews here in the tugg marketplace each resort has a listing for price history…. I do not know if all sales are listed but it has included my purchases that i I have made and would give you a general range

 

[yodaDaenerys]

You could look at listings to see if you can find a deed like yours for sale. It will show asking prices, but it’s a starting point. There's just so many options and the perfect fit, starting point with deeds and changing usage is hard to predict.
https://www.timesharebrokersales.com/hilton-timeshare/

Sounds like you might be stuck with this deal. How bad is the MF/pt?

You might be better to dollar cost average down the portfolio of timeshares. The Craigendarroch Lodges might be worth a look.

it's not the deal i was thinking it was. i'm ok with my current deeds.

i thought i saw a resale deal that i might get, and then get rid of my existing 2. turns out i was wrong on the details of the resale elara offering.

i'm at $0.12MF/pt. above the target i realize, but all my purchases were before i found this site. that's life...

 

[GT75]

i'm at $0.12MF/pt. above the target i realize, but all my purchases were before i found this site. that's life...

Well, that isn't horrible. There is certainly much (as in way more) worse. At that ratio, I would suggest that you don't make any short term changes for now. You may be adding to your portfolio in the future, it which case you can be a strategic purchase. Maybe longer term, you my want to jettison one of you deeds. I know that I have one that I am thinking about. It will be the first one to go when I feel that I have too many points.

 

[yodaDaenerys]

Our last total cost (purchase price + closing)/pt was 0.24 so I use that for comparison when looking at other deeds. I also try to stay at 0.10 or less for the MF/pt.

the deal i was considering would have lowered my $MF/pt to $0.07, but the asking price was $14.5K. so using your calculation it would have been around $0.90/pt. I thought is was bHC, so I would get the benefit of 32:1 for HH points. it turns out i was wrong on that point, so i dropped consideration of the deal.

cutting my $MF/pt nearly in half seemed like a good strategy for the long run, but the cash outlay upfront was too much, without the added perk of 32:1 conversion. i keep hoping to somehow correct my past 'retail' mistakes with a great rese deal, but maybe that's a pipe dream.

thx for sharing your calculation. do you only consider adding/changing AT ALL if the $MF/pt is in your target range?

 

[GT75]

do you only consider adding/changing AT ALL if the $MF/pt is in your target range?

First, I only consider adding if I need more points. Then, it depends on what I am trying to do. For example, if I want a particular deed because of location/view/season (such as Ocean Oak) then I will need to search for best price. The MF/pt ratio isn't relevant for that deed. This would be similar for Florida gulf properties and ski weeks. Now, for deeds just being used for pts, I look at both the purchase price and the MF/pt ratio. I only look at platinum season deeds because they are going to give me the best MF/pt ratio and I believe they will be easier to sell when no longer needed. I will have an idea what is a good buy-in price, so I am ready should I see something that is a good deal. I assume that you already know about this resource.

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That spreadsheet was created just to answer the question, which deeds have the best MF/pt ratio?

 

[BingoBangoBongo]

it's not the deal i was thinking it was. i'm ok with my current deeds.

i thought i saw a resale deal that i might get, and then get rid of my existing 2. turns out i was wrong on the details of the resale elara offering.

i'm at $0.12MF/pt. above the target i realize, but all my purchases were before i found this site. that's life...

What Orlando deed is at .12/pt? My average at the moment is about .11/pt, with a couple of really low ones. My EOY District and EOY Valdoro bring me up to a level I’m comfortable with and the District gives me the ability to add All Inclusive, saving me hundreds of $ in reservation fees.

 

[HuskerATL]

the deal i was considering would have lowered my $MF/pt to $0.07, but the asking price was $14.5K. so using your calculation it would have been around $0.90/pt. I thought is was bHC, so I would get the benefit of 32:1 for HH points. it turns out i was wrong on that point, so i dropped consideration of the deal.

cutting my $MF/pt nearly in half seemed like a good strategy for the long run, but the cash outlay upfront was too much, without the added perk of 32:1 conversion. i keep hoping to somehow correct my past 'retail' mistakes with a great rese deal, but maybe that's a pipe dream.

thx for sharing your calculation. do you only consider adding/changing AT ALL if the $MF/pt is in your target range?

For us, yes because we don't buy for location but if you are buying for location, then the purchase price can be whatever. Also, compare the cost over time so get the total cost plus MF and compare are 10, 20, 30 years. Maybe one that cost a little more but has lower MFs, balances out in 10 years or so and then is the better deal.

Just know though, our 0.24 were Craig Lodges weeks and those have a very low closing cost and I got a good deal on them, 1,500 pounds each.

 

[brp]

First, I only consider adding if I need more points.

Agreed. Even if the MF/$ ratio reduces, the total MF increase. And this is only reasonable if one actually needs/can use the points. Paying more just to lower the ratio is akin to "the more you buy, the higher the percentage savings" deals.

Exchanging, though, even at an initial cost loss, can make sense in the long run. We sold some Flamingo Golds and bought Blvd. in roughly equal number for this reason a few years back.

Cheers.

 

[HuskerATL]

Agreed. Even if the MF/$ ratio reduces, the total MF increase. And this is only reasonable if one actually needs/can use the points. Paying more just to lower the ratio is akin to "the more you buy, the higher the percentage savings" deals.

Exchanging, though, even at an initial cost loss, can make sense in the long run. We sold some Flamingo Golds and bought Blvd. in roughly equal number for this reason a few years back.

Cheers.

And the reason that we gave away our Tuscany Village and bought more Craig Lodges

 

[brp]

And the reason that we gave away our Tuscany Village and bought more Craig Lodges

Our Flamingo Gold sales were interesting. In the end, we ended up a wash (give away) taking into account the low sum paid and the broker fees. They took a smaller amount and let it wash out. Then, they got the purchasers (in both cases) to pay the MFs for the current year as there was still time left (don't recall when we sold, exactly). So we netted a little over $1000 for each contract based on the reimbursed MFs. I was pleasantly surprised by this. Judi done good.

Cheers.

 

[SmithOp]

What Orlando deed is at .12/pt? My average at the moment is about .11/pt, with a couple of really low ones. My EOY District and EOY Valdoro bring me up to a level I’m comfortable with and the District gives me the ability to add All Inclusive, saving me hundreds of $ in reservation fees.

I think she is saying 12 cents "above the target".

 

[4TimeAway]

There’s no free lunch.

Timeshares are a great way to spend money. Honestly, we are buying vacations and all the positive feelings that come from going places, seeing things and doing things. If a 2 bedroom costs you 10,000 points and its high by even $.10.pt its and extra $1,000 for the week.

So, it costs you $2,000 for a week instead of $1,000. Airfare, car rental, eating out, bringing family, etc. those all cost way more than that.

My point is don’t sweat the small stuff. If you ant to get deals, book some last minute cash deals in nicer rooms than you typically stay in and you’ll feel like a king/queen.

I like the point of don’t buy more unless you need it… My issue is this timeshare game is fun and once bitten… Its just one more week…. I’m stalling until I really start to borrow points forward and then I will pick up a week with current points and figure it all out.

 

[Chris-ATX]

I know I keep asking about Craig Lodges (v Suites), cause it is all a little confusing to me still.

If we buy this Lodge:

Is this what counts towards elite? Or do I need to purchase from a specific seller who qualifies for the elite points?

As a follow on - I saw reference that there are other venues which can still qualify for elite stats on a resale transaction. What are these other venues? I can't seem to find those listed anywhere.

thanks for input!

 

[HuskerATL]

I know I keep asking about Craig Lodges (v Suites), cause it is all a little confusing to me still.

If we buy this Lodge:

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Is this what counts towards elite? Or do I need to purchase from a specific seller who qualifies for the elite points?

As a follow on - I saw reference that there are other venues which can still qualify for elite stats on a resale transaction. What are these other venues? I can't seem to find those listed anywhere.

thanks for input!

You need to buy from the Craig resale office to be elite qualifying.

Buy from here, https://www.craigendarroch.com/sales/

Even the other locations need to be from the official resale office to count.