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Editing this 2017mf thread to include all the HGVC resorts for reference! (shamelessly stealing the work of SUEDONJ here ;) )


* Please limit this thread to only the MF specifics and take discussions/commentary to the discussion boards. Thank you! :)

* Owners, please report your Weeks MF's as they are billed (NOT proposed/estimated) in this format:
  • Resort Name/Unit Size (include Season if it's a differential)
  • Operating Fee
  • Replacement Reserve
  • Property Taxes (or note if they're billed separately)
  • Developer Subsidy (where it exists)
  • Special Assessment (where it exists)
  • TOTAL
  • Increase/decrease over 2016 MF's whether in dollar or percentage value (because I don't blame anybody who doesn't want to do the math!)


The 2016 MF thread has been unstuck and can be found here.
The 2015 MF thread can be found here.
The 2014 MF thread can be found here.
The 2013 MF thread can be found here.

The 30 2017 HGVC Resorts with the lowest MFs can be found here.


Anderson Ocean Club 3BR - Post #43 and 2BR - Post #101 and Studio - Post #103
Bay Club 1BR - Post #44 and A Penthouse - Post #54 and B floorplan 2BR - Post #54
Borgo alle Vigne 1BR/2BR/3BR - Post 60
Boulevard (las vegas strip) 1BR - Post #18 and 1BR - Post #14 and 1BR - Post #15 and 1BR Penthouse- Post #17 and 2BR - Post #18 and 2BR - Post #24 and 3BR - Post #18

Coylumbridge 2BR - Post #80 and 2BR - Post #82
Craigendarroch Suites 2BR Premier - Post 56 and Studio - Post #84
Craigendarroch Lodges 2BR Platinum - Post 62
Eagle’s Nest Beach Resort 2BR Flex - Post 65
Elara (Planet Hollywood Towers) 1BR Grand Plus- Post #48 and 2BR Grand Plus - Post #91
Fiesta Americana (an affiliate) 1BR - Post #85 and MF/point - Post #86and MF/point - Post #87
Flamingo 1BR - Post #7 and 2BR - Post #31
Grand Islander 2BR Penthouse- Post #102
Grand Pacific Palisades A/B/C/D type- Post #30
Grand Waikikian 1BR/2BR/2BR-Pen/3BR-Pen- Post #63
Hokulani Waikiki
Kalia Suites
Kings' Land Resort
2BR - Post #38 and 2BR plus Phase II- Post #46 and1/2/3BR for all 3 Phases (including Phase 3 3 BR-Premier - Post #73 and1BR plus Phase I- Post #83

Kohala Suites 2BR - Post #39
Lagoon Tower 2BR - Post #28 and Studio/1BR/2BR/2BR-P/3BR-P - Post #52
Las Palmeras
MarBrisa
1 BR/2 BR/ 2 BR Luxury/3 BR - Post #29 and 1/2BR - Post #81
Ocean 22 1BR/2BR/3BR - Post #61
Ocean Oaks 2BR - Post #27
Paradise (prev las vegas hilton) 2BR - Post #16 and 1BR - Post #20
Parc Soleil 1BR - Post #79
Plantation Beach Club 2BR (MFs the same for units) - Post #72
Seapointe 1 BR/2 BR/3 BR/Penthouse- Post #29
SeaWorld 1BR - Post #8 and 2BR - Post #10 and 2BR History- Post #13and 3BR History- Post #36
South Beach 2BR - Post #26 and 1BR - Post #53
South Seas Club 2BR - Post 66
Sunrise Lodge Studio/1BR/2BR/3BR/4BR - Post #51
The Hilton Club of New York
The Residences
Trump International Hotel
2BR - Post #96
Tuscany Village (International Drive) 2BR - Post #33
Valdoro Mountain Lodge Studio/1 BR/2 BR/3 BR- Post #55
Vilamoura 1BR - Post #94 and 2BR - Post #93
West 57th Street Studio - Post #41
 
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So I guess $9 from each of the 200,000 owners should be plenty enough to pay for their wonderful new website in the first year.
 

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A 6 percent increase... for What... I find it a little rediculouse that they raise the club fee and reservations fee every year by more than inflation with no explanation.

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HGVC Flamingo One Bedroom Platinum (4,800 points)

The new website doesn't seem to provide the breakdown :rolleyes: so I had to pull it from the old website

Maintenance Fee and Tax Breakdown
Description Due Date Balance
2017 Club Dues 01/01/17 $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $204.94
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $639.49
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $29.56
Total Current Balance: $1,032.99
Voluntary Arda Roc $5.00
Total Current Balance: $1,037.99

Maintenance Fees for HGVC FLAMINGO One Bedroom Platinum (4,800 points) from 2003 to 2017
Code:
YEAR	OE	  RE	 TAX	  SUB	ARDA	 DUES	  SA	TOTAL	Increase
2003	$431.46	$62.32	$31.52	$525.30	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$613.30	 $0.00
2004	$433.63	$67.59	$33.70	$534.92	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$622.92	 $9.62
2005	$442.44	$72.40	$34.40	$549.24	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$637.24	 $14.32
2006	$451.21	$77.67	$35.52	$564.40	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$652.40	 $15.16
2007	$470.62	$89.41	$37.99	$598.02	$3.00	$90.00	$59.80	$750.82	 $98.42
2008	$501.59	$105.74	$38.21	$645.54	$3.00	$90.00	$96.20	$834.74	 $83.92
2009	$539.78	$100.56	$41.79	$682.13	$3.00	$95.00	$95.33	$875.46	 $40.72
2010	$546.51	$119.11	$49.09	$714.71	$3.00	$99.00	$0.00	$816.71	-$58.75
2011	$557.44	$129.93	$44.04	$731.41	$3.00	$114.00	$0.00	$848.41	 $31.70
2012	$565.26	$141.56	$26.97	$733.79	$3.00	$119.00	$0.00	$855.79	 $7.38
2013	$585.80	$153.70	$27.63	$767.13	$3.00	$125.00	$0.00	$895.13	 $39.34
2014	$599.22	$166.13	$31.62	$796.97	$5.00	$136.00	$0.00	$937.97	 $42.84
2015	$616.60	$180.14	$29.45	$826.19	$5.00	$140.00	$0.00	$971.19	 $33.22
2016	$635.54	$188.71	$29.45	$853.89	$5.00	$150.00	$0.00	$1008.89 $37.70
2017	$639.49	$204.94	$29.56	$873.99	$5.00	$159.00	$0.00	$1037.99 $29.10
NOTE: There was a Special Assessment (SA) added to the Maintenance Fees in 2007, 2008 & 2009. - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46036

Legend
OE = Operating Expense
RE = Reserve Fee
TAX = Real Estate Tax
Sub = Subtotal (OE + RE + TAX)
ARDA = Voluntary ARDA
DUES = Club Dues (currently $119 for US & Canada and $154 International)
SA = Special Assessment
 
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Sea World Phase II, 4800 pt. Platinum 1BR

2017 Reserve Fee $147.08 01/01/2017
2017 Operating Fee $481.12 01/01/2017
2017 Real Estate Tax $149.48 01/01/2017

Total $777.68
 

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2017 reserve $205.44
2017 operating $671.24
2017 taxes $211.12
Total $1246.80


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2017 operating $671.24
2017 taxes $211.12
Total $1246.80


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Correction total is $1087.80

(The previous total included the annual hgvc fee of $159)

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The new website doesn't seem to provide the breakdown :rolleyes: so I had to pull it from the old website

Maintenance Fee and Tax Breakdown
Description Due Date Balance
2017 Club Dues 01/01/17 $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $204.94
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $639.49
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $29.56
Total Current Balance: $1,032.99
Voluntary Arda Roc $5.00
Total Current Balance: $1,037.99

Maintenance Fees for HGVC FLAMINGO One Bedroom Platinum from 2003 to 2017
Code:
YEAR	OE	  RE	 TAX	  SUB	ARDA	 DUES	  SA	TOTAL	Increase
2003	$431.46	$62.32	$31.52	$525.30	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$613.30	 $0.00
2004	$433.63	$67.59	$33.70	$534.92	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$622.92	 $9.62
2005	$442.44	$72.40	$34.40	$549.24	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$637.24	 $14.32
2006	$451.21	$77.67	$35.52	$564.40	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$652.40	 $15.16
2007	$470.62	$89.41	$37.99	$598.02	$3.00	$90.00	$59.80	$750.82	 $98.42
2008	$501.59	$105.74	$38.21	$645.54	$3.00	$90.00	$96.20	$834.74	 $83.92
2009	$539.78	$100.56	$41.79	$682.13	$3.00	$95.00	$95.33	$875.46	 $40.72
2010	$546.51	$119.11	$49.09	$714.71	$3.00	$99.00	$0.00	$816.71	-$58.75
2011	$557.44	$129.93	$44.04	$731.41	$3.00	$114.00	$0.00	$848.41	 $31.70
2012	$565.26	$141.56	$26.97	$733.79	$3.00	$119.00	$0.00	$855.79	 $7.38
2013	$585.80	$153.70	$27.63	$767.13	$3.00	$125.00	$0.00	$895.13	 $39.34
2014	$599.22	$166.13	$31.62	$796.97	$5.00	$136.00	$0.00	$937.97	 $42.84
2015	$616.60	$180.14	$29.45	$826.19	$5.00	$140.00	$0.00	$971.19	 $33.22
2016	$635.54	$188.71	$29.45	$853.89	$5.00	$150.00	$0.00	$1008.89 $37.70
2017	$639.49	$204.94	$29.56	$873.99	$5.00	$159.00	$0.00	$1037.99 $29.10
NOTE: There was a Special Assessment (SA) added to the Maintenance Fees in 2007, 2008 & 2009. - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46036

Legend
OE = Operating Expense
RE = Reserve Fee
TAX = Real Estate Tax
Sub = Subtotal (OE + RE + TAX)
ARDA = Voluntary ARDA
DUES = Club Dues (currently $119 for US & Canada and $154 International)
SA = Special Assessment
Thanks for the info.

One thing i don't understand for last year and maybe this year also. Last year a 1br at the flamingo was: 1008$ including club dues excluding club dues they would be: 858$. A 2br is only 951$ thats only 93$ more. How come the spread between the two aren't greater?

For comparison the MF at the Hgvc at on the strip is more than 200$ between a 1br and a 2br. IMHO this also seem more "fair" than just 93$.

Any thoughts?
 

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Thanks for the info.

One thing i don't understand for last year and maybe this year also. Last year a 1br at the flamingo was: 1008$ including club dues excluding club dues they would be: 858$. A 2br is only 951$ thats only 93$ more. How come the spread between the two aren't greater?

For comparison the MF at the Hgvc at on the strip is more than 200$ between a 1br and a 2br. IMHO this also seem more "fair" than just 93$.

Any thoughts?
It's based on the resort's Declaration Document.

Flamingo was the 1st HGVC Developer built Resort as a result it's setup a little differently than the others such as no ROFR and a different method for calculating annual maintenance fees. For example, my HHV Lagoon tower Declaration document specifically states that the average square footage is used in their formula.
 
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I sold my SeaWorld week in 2015 but here's my MF history

Maintenance Fees for HGVC SEAWORLD (OSII) Two Bedroom Gold (5,000 points) from 2003 to 2015
(HOA: Orlando Vacation Suites II Condominium Association, Inc)

There are two budgets at SeaWorld. One for Orlando Vacation Suites I (for phases 1 and 2) and the other for Orlando Vacation Suite II (for phases 3 & 4).
"OSV I" MF is the same regardless of unit size and "OSV II" MF is based on unit size. For both, the Real Estate taxes differ by season and unit size.

Code:
YEAR	OE	  RE	 TAX	  SUB	ARDA	DUES	  SA	TOTAL	Increase
2003	$392.17	$66.04	$115.00	$573.21	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$661.21	 $0.00
2004	$404.03	$69.35	$94.55	$567.93	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$655.93	-$5.28
2005	$420.02	$72.92	$91.68	$584.62	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$672.62	 $16.69
2006	$435.40	$70.43	$92.01	$597.84	$3.00	$85.00	$0.00	$685.84	 $13.22
2007	$553.48	$78.38	$115.48	$747.34	$3.00	$90.00	$0.00	$840.34	 $154.50
2008	$553.50	$110.87	$100.89	$765.26	$3.00	$90.00	$0.00	$858.26	 $17.92
2009	$568.31	$119.43	$92.78	$780.52	$3.00	$95.00	$0.00	$878.52	 $20.26
2010	$596.79	$126.59	$117.16	$840.54	$3.00	$99.00	$0.00	$942.54	 $64.02
2011	$602.46	$138.62	$117.16	$858.24	$3.00	$114.00	$0.00	$975.24	 $32.70
2012	$610.60	$186.39	$78.11	$875.10	$3.00	$119.00	$0.00	$997.10	 $21.86
2013	$623.90	$161.66	$99.34 	$884.90 $3.00	$125.00	$0.00	$1012.90 $15.80
2014	$626.96	$171.68 $103.98 $902.62 $5.00	$136.00	$0.00	$1043.62 $30.72
2015 	$639.23	$181.98 $114.38 $935.59 $5.00	$140.00	$0.00	$1080.59 $36.97
NOTE: There was dramatic increase due to taxes and insurance cost in Florida which impacted the 2007 Maintenance Fee. - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35191

Legend
OE = Operating Expense
RE = Reserve Fee
TAX = Real Estate Tax
Sub = Subtotal (OE + RE + TAX)
ARDA = Voluntary ARDA
DUES = Club Dues (currently $119 for US & Canada and $154 International)
SA = Special Assessment
 

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HGVC on the Boulevard (AKA LV Strip), One Bedroom Platinum (4800 pts)

Maintenance Fee and Tax Breakdown
2017 Club Dues: $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee: $132.05
2017 Operating Fee: $443.68
2017 Real Estate Taxes: $19.02
Total Current Balance: $753.75
Voluntary Arda Roc: $5.00
Total Current Balance: $758.75​
 

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Maintenance Fee and Tax Breakdown
2017 Club Dues: $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee: $132.05
2017 Operating Fee: $443.68
2017 Real Estate Taxes: $19.02
Total Current Balance: $753.75
Voluntary Arda Roc: $5.00
Total Current Balance: $758.75​
So minus the club dues and the Arda Roc (since I own the same thing)

2017 Reserve Fee $132.05
2017 Operating Fee $443.68
2017 Real Estate Tax $19.02

Total $594.75
 

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HGVC on Paradise / Karen Ave - 2 Bedroom Platinum

HGVC on Paradise / Karen Ave - 2 Bedroom Platinum

Maintenance Fee and Tax Breakdown

Description
2017 Club Dues $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee $264.42
2017 Operating Fee $624.08
2017 Real Estate Taxes $34.28
Total Current Balance: $1,081.78
Voluntary Arda Roc $5.00
Total Current Balance: $1,086.78

Total is $922.78 if you subtract out the ARDA and Club Dues of $159
 

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Mf is already posted for the 1br but here goes mine for my penthouse.

Description Due Date Balance
2017 Club Dues 01/01/17 $199.00
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $132.05
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $443.68
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $19.02
Total Current Balance: $793.75

My club dues are higher because I'm billed the international fee.:annoyed:

Without club dues the total is:594.75
 

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I got 3 (yeah, gotta dump that 3400 point unit), but not really sure which contract (except the one) is which unit and season (is that on the paperwork somewhere?) Anyway:


Edited below on 10/22/16 as I dug up the paperwork and it's a 3 BR Gold.
Las Vegas Strip - 3 BR Gold, 7,000 points
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $260.82
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $741.06
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $37.56
Total Current Balance: $1,039.44

Las Vegas Strip - 1 BR gold (?) - 3400 points
2017 Club Dues 01/01/17 $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $132.05
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $443.68
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $19.02
Total Current Balance: $753.75

Las Vegas Strip - 2 BR gold (?) - 5000 points
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $197.80
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $595.54
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $28.49
Total Current Balance: $821.83


I left the club dues in because it is a fee, as far as I'm concerned even if it's randomly assigned to one of my contracts. If I only had one, I'd still have to pay the $159 every year, so it's a fee, and should be counted, IMO.

I think this puts my total points/fee at $0.169 or $0.17. I believe last year is was $0.168

I have to put these in a spreadsheet. haha
 
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I got 3 (yeah, gotta dump that 3400 point unit), but not really sure which contract (except the one) is which unit and season (is that on the paperwork somewhere?) Anyway:



Las Vegas Strip (I think it's a 2 BR Platinum, but not sure), 7,000 points
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $260.82
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $741.06
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $37.56
Total Current Balance: $1,039.44

Las Vegas Strip - 1 BR gold (?) - 3400 points
2017 Club Dues 01/01/17 $159.00
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $132.05
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $443.68
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $19.02
Total Current Balance: $753.75

Las Vegas Strip - 2 BR gold (?) - 5000 points
2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $197.80
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $595.54
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $28.49
Total Current Balance: $821.83


I left the club dues in because it is a fee, as far as I'm concerned even if it's randomly assigned to one of my contracts. If I only had one, I'd still have to pay the $159 every year, so it's a fee, and should be counted, IMO.

I think this puts my total points/fee at $0.169 or $0.17. I believe last year is was $0.168

I have to put these in a spreadsheet. haha
1st one is probably a 3 bedroom gold, which is 7,000 pts, because MFs are higher than your 2 bedroom gold.

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Las Vegas Paradise 1 br Plat. 4800

2017 Reserve Fee 01/01/17 $176.50
2017 Operating Fee 01/01/17 $463.33
2017 Real Estate Taxes 01/01/17 $22.89
Total Current Balance: $662.72
 

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I left the club dues in because it is a fee, as far as I'm concerned even if it's randomly assigned to one of my contracts. If I only had one, I'd still have to pay the $159 every year, so it's a fee, and should be counted, IMO.
I think the reason many of us strip out the club dues and arda roc isn't because it doesn't "count" but because you only pay it for one contract, even if you own multiple units, so it throws off the metric if you're trying to compare what you're paying at one property versus another.
 

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i didn't add my club fees cause am not from USA so i am charged $199... i just didn't want to cause a mess for anyone
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Sea world phase 2, 7000 pts, platinum 2 br
2017 reserve $205.44
2017 operating $671.24
2017 taxes $211.12
Total $1246.80


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Seaworld phase I (OVS I) I assume, as it is differnt from the above same point value of 7000 pts, Platinum 2 BR

Total Amount Due
2017 Reserve Fee $273.84 01/01/2017
2017 Operating Fee $675.16 01/01/2017
2017 Real Estate Tax $211.12 01/01/2017

$1,160.12 without member dues and ARDA fee.
 

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2017 Reserve Fee: $197.80
2017 Operating Fee: $595.54
2017 Real Estate Taxes: $28.49

Total Current Balance: $821.83
 

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2017 Fees - SeaWorld OSVII

Breakdown - SeaWorld OVSII - 8400 Platinum points

2017 Reserve Fee $271.85 01/01/2017
2017 Operating Fee $887.58 01/01/2017
2017 Real Estate Tax $219.58 01/01/2017
2017 HGV Club Dues $159.00 01/01/2017

2012 Total: $1538.01
2016: $1,476.85

Increase of $61.16
 
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