HGVC Resale usage restrictions?

[TimeshareTraveller]

Hello All,
We're seriously thinking of getting an HGVC resale as we move closer to retirement. I haven't been keeping the finger on the pulse of resale usage changes. Are there any things that you lose if you buy resale on a unit?

Deal breakers for me would be things like "can't trade into other HGVC properties at all." I think resale HGVC still can't trade them in for HH points and that isn't a big deal as we'd never do it.

And does HGVC still allow you to rent your own unit/time out? I suspect they may restrict renting something you traded for points in the Hilton system.

 

[jp10558]

I am a resale only owner and the restrictions are
1) no Max [almost no one cares] so just HGVC Legacy
2) No status [way too expensive for what you get IMO]

Everything else is the same as far as I can tell. You can trade for HH points, but the rates aren't great anyway. You can only rent out your home week.

 

[dioxide45]

I know there are some previous threads on the subject, but finding them in search isn't easy. Here are some notes I have on the topic for a video I was planning to make about it;

• No HGVC VIP benefits
• No HGV Max
• Activation Fee $695
• You pay individual transaction fees; Points deposit, reservation transactions. These are included when you have Max.
• You still get access to Open Season
• You can still convert your week to Hilton Honors points
• RCI membership is included in your annual Club Dues
• You can book using points at nine months out into other HGVC resorts
• No direct access to book points for HVC or former DRI or Embarc resorts

 

[WaikikiFirst]

seriously thinking of getting an HGVC resale

pointing something out: the first 4 months I hung around here, the majority of threads were what I called
A) Landlord Lamenting
B) Marriott Moaning
C) Wyndham Whining

Then and still now there were/are very few to no Hilton Hysteria threads.

If I were to start a Hilton Hysteria thread, maybe I'd say
"Saving points on a sale? What sale? Name the 7 places in the USA that I have the least to negative interest in visiting:
#1: Orlando ... #4: Manhattan ... #7 LV"
Those 3 are a big piece of HGVC's footprint, but I can't give a ---- about them. pfffft, 1st world problem. No Hilton Hysteria round here. Solid product. Solid company. We'll see what the future brings.

 

[GT75]

And does HGVC still allow you to rent your own unit/time out?

Same, you are only allowed to rent out your Home Week.

 

[TimeshareTraveller]

@WaikikiFirst - That is pretty much many of the posts on TUG. I love Marriott resorts, but I owned one resale and couldn't trade into anything I wanted to stay at. I got rid of it. Plus, Marriott chops up the seasons into so many seasons and doesn't have a good method for booking the week you want.

We bought a Wyndham 3 years ago and came to our senses and rescinded in a day. They still slammed our RCI account, gave us two new credit cards we didn't want, and caused quite a bit of disaster that has taken three years to sort out.

Hilton, I've stayed at a few and discussed it with owners. I love the Hawaii resorts though we only go there once every 3-4 years. I love the South Carolina resorts but they're expensive right now for resale. I don't really want Las Vegas, but there are some other resorts that have promise.

 

[ljmiii]

Hello All,
We're seriously thinking of getting an HGVC resale...

Deal breakers for me would be things like "can't trade into other HGVC properties at all."

And does HGVC still allow you to rent your own unit/time out? I suspect they may restrict renting something you traded for points in the Hilton system.

Yes, as a resale buyer you can use your points throughout the HGVC system (subject of course to availability). And yes, you can rent out a Home Week reservation of your own unit but not a Club Reservation made with points.

That said (and IMHO), HGVC is in general the best of the major timeshare systems as long as you understand its limitations and are able to plan 9 to 12 months in advance. In particular, HGVC truly excels if you want to do one of the three following things...

1) Stay at one of HGVC's major destinations - O'ahu, the Big Island, Carlsbad (CA), Las Vegas, Myrtle Beach (SC), Orlando, and maybe NYC. There is almost always plenty of availability at 276 days (~9 months) and you can just buy the least expensive deed anywhere in the system (taking into account both initial price and MFs).

2) Stay at any HGVC resort for a week at a time (usually Saturday to Saturday) in a particular unit size and season at least every other year. Because most people don't book Home Week reservations there is almost always availability at 12 months (except perhaps for the very highest of demand weeks - e.g. President's Week at a Ski Resort). For this you buy a deed for the unit, season, and resort at which you want to stay.

3) Stay in NYC or DC. Because the "by Hilton Club" (aka bHC) resorts in these locations have "Home Resort Priority" windows in addition to the "Home Week Priority" window there is a long period of time (typically 90 to 276 days in advance) during which resort owners and no one else can book short stays. In addition, only owners can make "Open Season" reservations (cash stays) and there is usually an owners lounge. You would need to buy at the resort though not necessarily the unit and season at which you want to stay.

 

[4TimeAway]

Read up on

Craigendarroch.​

Might be your best option.

 

[dayooper]

Hilton, I've stayed at a few and discussed it with owners. I love the Hawaii resorts though we only go there once every 3-4 years. I love the South Carolina resorts but they're expensive right now for resale. I don't really want Las Vegas, but there are some other resorts that have promise.

I’m not sure you need to purchase in SC to go to SC. I own Vegas resorts (many have very good MF’s) and have booked Ocean 22, Ocean Oak (3 different reservations, 2 at the same time) and Ocean Enclave. All of these were in platinum season and they were 2 bedroom units or higher. The 3rd Myrtle Beach property, Anderson Ocean Club is the easiest to book. Not sure on Liberty Place, but reports are that it’s not as difficult as Ocean Oak. No need to purchase in SC to go there.

If you are looking at buying to use as club points, platinum 2 bedroom units at The Boulevard, Paradise and Flamingo to go along with the aforementioned Craigendarroch would be great bets. Elara 1 bedroom Grands are nice as well, but they can be pretty expensive.

 

[escanoe]

pointing something out: the first 4 months I hung around here, the majority of threads were what I called
A) Landlord Lamenting
B) Marriott Moaning
C) Wyndham Whining

Then and still now there were/are very few to no Hilton Hysteria threads.

If I were to start a Hilton Hysteria thread, maybe I'd say
"Saving points on a sale? What sale? Name the 7 places in the USA that I have the least to negative interest in visiting:
#1: Orlando ... #4: Manhattan ... #7 LV"
Those 3 are a big piece of HGVC's footprint, but I can't give a ---- about them. pfffft, 1st world problem. No Hilton Hysteria round here. Solid product. Solid company. We'll see what the future brings.

It has slown down recently, but "merger melee" went on for some time in the HGV threads. It started years ago with speculation that HGVC could be bought by Diamond and has recently receded as Max was discussed to death before most Tuggers came to view it as marketing hype with very little substance. Today, it basically amounts to some of us speculating on to what extent DEX will be built out to be a contender as an exchange.

 

[HuskerATL]

Same use as retail just not in Max. We are elite premier due to resale purchases so pay basically no fees in HGVC and have access to DEX to book DRI/HVC properties up to 2 years out.

 

[heitmullerj02]

Both of my HGVC are resale. They are one of the few companies that does not treat me any different than a developer purchase. Their website is so-so but free access to RCI is nice. I was able to trade Marbrisa for Waikiki @ 9 months. Max is not worth the $$, all older resorts that you can get in RCI.just wish they were with II instead.

 

[Bunk]

If I were to buy HGVC retail, how would I be able to book HVC or former DRI or Embarc resorts

 

[elaine]

You have to buy MAX to get HVC/DRI. Read on this forum to see what others think of MAX to see if it’s worth it for you.
For me, I’d rather have a low cost HGVC resale and stay in that system and trade with RCI occasionally.

 

[HuskerATL]

If I were to buy HGVC retail, how would I be able to book HVC or former DRI or Embarc resorts

If you buy HGVC retail, you will be in the Max program and have access to the DRI/HVC/Embarc properties at the 6 month window

 

[GT75]

If I were to buy HGVC retail, how would I be able to book HVC or former DRI or Embarc resorts

Many (most) HGVC max members are disappointed. For sure, don't expect Embarc resorts (maybe just a few).

 

[AJtraveltime]

Same, you are only allowed to rent out your Home Week.

Question for clarification if you can help. I have a Silver week ownership at HGVC Flamingo, which I think is defined as weeks 1-4 and 49-50. Does this mean I could book for any of those four weeks only and rent out, or could I book any 7 day stay at Flamingo and rent out? And for renting out, what are the procedures? Do I make a reservation first, then offer for rent, and then provide the renter's info to HGVC?

 

[Talent312]

Question for clarification if you can help. I have a Silver week ownership at HGVC Flamingo, which I think is defined as weeks 1-4 and 49-50. Does this mean I could book for any of those four weeks only and rent out, or could I book any 7 day stay at Flamingo and rent out?...

As has been said, under the rules, you can only rent out a home-week reservation, that means one of the <6> weeks in the season that you own. You are not allowed to rent a "club" reservation. That said, there are some who violate the rules and risk adverse consequences, like having the the booking cancelled.

You 1st make a home-week booking becuz you don't want to rent a week that turns out not available. Note: A home-week is 7 days at your resort in the season you own, using the resorts weekly check-in day and your point-allotment for that year. You cannot use borrowed or saved points. After you hook a renter, you obtain a guest certificate.

 

[AJtraveltime]

As has been said, under the rules, you can only rent out a home-week reservation, that means one of the <6> weeks in the season that you own. You are not allowed to rent a "club" reservation. That said, there are some who violate the rules and risk adverse consequences, like having the the booking cancelled.

You 1st make a home-week booking becuz you don't want to rent a week that turns out not available. Note: A home-week is 7 days at your resort in the season you own, using the resorts weekly check-in day and your point-allotment for that year. You cannot use borrowed or saved points. After you hook a renter, you obtain a guest certificate.

Thanks for the response and info. The point on not being able to use saved points is especially key, as I do have 5600 saved points

 

[cd5]

If I were to buy HGVC retail, how would I be able to book HVC or former DRI or Embarc resorts

Why not buy Embarc or DRI resale? It will be a LOT cheaper than buying HGVC retail and give you much better access (for Embarc 11 months out instead of 6 with Max). Embarc and DRI trade with Interval if you get a direct membership with them.

 

[HuskerATL]

Why not buy Embarc or DRI resale? It will be a LOT cheaper than buying HGVC retail and give you much better access (for Embarc 11 months out instead of 6 with Max). Embarc and DRI trade with Interval if you get a direct membership with them.

Or, buy a cheap Craig Lodges, enroll in DEX, get access to DRI/HVC up to 2 years out, get access to Embarc a year out, or use the points in HGVC. Much cheaper to buy and lower MFs.

 

[cd5]

Or, buy a cheap Craig Lodges, enroll in DEX, get access to DRI/HVC up to 2 years out, get access to Embarc a year out, or use the points in HGVC. Much cheaper to buy and lower MFs.

Perhaps. As I mentioned previously however, you should really compare the MF's between Hilton and Embarc at a per point basis. ie: You have to compare how many points a 1 or 2 bdrm costs within the system at peak/holiday season to get a true idea of what is "lower". Less points to book a 2 bdrm holiday booking means that in the end, the MF's are lower (even if higher per point) for that size unit.

 

[HuskerATL]

Perhaps. As I mentioned previously however, you should really compare the MF's between Hilton and Embarc at a per point basis. ie: You have to compare how many points a 1 or 2 bdrm costs within the system at peak/holiday season to get a true idea of what is "lower". Less points to book a 2 bdrm holiday booking means that in the end, the MF's are lower (even if higher per point) for that size unit.

Good Craig weeks are between 0.07 and 0.10 MF/pt and the last three weeks that I bought cost us 0.24 total purchase price/ pt. Is Embarc better?

 

[HuskerATL]

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[AJtraveltime]

As has been said, under the rules, you can only rent out a home-week reservation, that means one of the <6> weeks in the season that you own. You are not allowed to rent a "club" reservation. That said, there are some who violate the rules and risk adverse consequences, like having the the booking cancelled.

You 1st make a home-week booking becuz you don't want to rent a week that turns out not available. Note: A home-week is 7 days at your resort in the season you own, using the resorts weekly check-in day and your point-allotment for that year. You cannot use borrowed or saved points. After you hook a renter, you obtain a guest certificate.

I was looking on my HGVC account and it indicates home week check-in is Friday. Do you know if that means you have to follow that strictly or would a Saturday to Saturday in the same period be okay to rent? For my remaining weeks in 2024, there are no Fri-Fri availability, but is Sat-Sat or Sun-Sun