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Hello all,

we have been contemplating the purchase of a timeshare for a while now and currently vacationing at the Wyndham Bonnet Creek. we would like to get a resale of points and we live on the west coast, outside of Vancouver BC and mainly travel to California, Hawaii and Mexico. I would like to get Wyndham points and travel withing the Wyndham network, would 500,000 points do the trick for traveling the west coast and hawaii? also, does it matter what the home resort is if you aren't planning on using it alot?

what sort of resale pricing and MF fees would i be looking at?


thanks,
 

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i forgot to mention that we are a family of 4, 2 adults and 2 kids and we usually vacation for 3-4 weeks out of the year
 

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Since you are on the west coast, you may be better off with Worldmark points. Between Wyndham and Worldmark, I always liked Worldmark better. We went with Wyndham though because we are on the east coast.

Whatever you do, don't make a purchase from Bonnet Creek and don't spend the rest of your vacation dwelling on it. I hate when the salespeople get the timeshare way of life into your mind and then the rest of the vacation is spent with internal debates.

Finish up your vacation, then go home and spend a lot of time here on TUG. It is addicting.........

Lisa from PA
 

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Good advice. Enjoy your vacation. Good that you found TUG. There is no need to rush, you have plenty of time to do your homework when you return from your vacation.

You can start out slow and add more points if you find you need more.

I have moved at a snails pace and am still learning (mostly here on TUG, it's a great source of information).

You can check out the sales on eBay to get an idea what contracts go for. But you really need to read the ads. There are lots of variables. A contract might sell for $1 but you have to reimburse maintenance fees and pay closing costs. Maintenance fees vary quite a bit, even at the same resort. You can check out the tug marketplace and other resellers, too.

Have an awesome time at Bonnet Creek, it is one of my favorite places. (Although I've never stayed at a Wyndham I didnt' like).
 

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Many more locations for Worldmark on the west coast

For Example WM has properties in Downtown Vancouver (BC), Victoria, Blaine, WA and Seattle + 51 more <10 are east of Utah

I am not impressed with their Maui property so assume you would need to use an exchange company for Hawaii

WM is a strong trader

The biggest advantage with WM is you can buy a small contract and rent the required points from another owner at a price approximately equal to the maintenance fees, That was a feature of Wyndham Vacation Ownership, but Wyndham eliminated it, the Bylaws of the WM units have so far prevented Wyndham from closing this off


So If you need 30,000 points for 3 vacations you can own 6,000 and pay maintenance fees only on the other 24,000 and not be concerned over an exit strategy on the larger contract. If you can be flexible with exchanges there are people that can do 3 weeks for 12,000 Points . . . . So far I have done one 4000 point exchange
 

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If there is any doubt about not buying developer points

Here's a post from someone who will pay all costs to any one who will accept the points and assume the maintenance fees obligation, for the resort you are currently staying at

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169452
 

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Regarding making a developer points purchase, is there anything else in this world that you would commit to pay that much money for; when you know so little about it?

Please just tell the Wyndham sales person "NO"; and then come get educated. Learn how Wyndham works, look at Worldmark and see what is in the resale market. Then decide what you want to buy and where.

There is no rush to make a decision today. Any deal the sales person offers you today will still be there tomorrow. They are trained to make you feel like you must act now or it's gone forever.

If they try to tell you that resale points are worthless; just ask them why you would want to buy something then that later is worthless when you want to sell it?
 

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Based on info provided WorldMark resale is way to go. Certainly Wyndham can be Plan B. Just do ARP accordingly!

If talking with BC sales when they tell you resale is no good, ask to see CWP Directory which is probably on table. Turn to page 287 and read to salesperson that resale is no good for VIP. Then ask to show you anywhere in this "BIBLE" where it says anything else about resale. Then ask to get computer and show you on Wyndham web site.. Then ask for written policy on Wyndham letterhead and signed by executive!

At this point sales manager will come over and they will do a table dance and change subject.

Check for sale ads here and e-bay for motivated sellers. Also actual sales. Print ads out and do comparison.

Look for 98-100% sellers.

Post questions here.

Red Week and other Internet ads tend to be dreamers and run it up the flag pole types.
 

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thanks everyone for all the info, we are not considering a purchase from the developer at all. I had not considered Worldmark and will research this a bit more. Can Worldmark points be used to trade into the Wyndham properties without incurring additional charges/fees? This has been a nice resort and we are enjoying our time here.

when we do vacation we tend to do a 2 week block and at least another 1 week block and since our kids our 7 and 9 we don't mind pulling them out of school to go on vacation.

any other information about Worldmark and why it may be better than Wyndham for me?

thanks again everyone!
 
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Can Worldmark points be used to trade into the Wyndham properties without incurring additional charges/fees? This has been a nice resort and we are enjoying our time here.
There is limited availability between the two systems. For example, we were lucky to get a week at the Worldmark in New Braunfels, TX one year. I understand it's hard for Wyndham owners to get in there; so we were lucky or picked the right season. You will find that resort in the Wyndham directory in the back as an "Associate Resort". There are about 15 Worldmark resorts listed in there to use Wyndham points in Worldmark. To compare, you would need to get the link to the Worldmark Directory and see if there are any Wyndham's in it. Availability is probably scarce in theirs as well. You might want to visit the Worldmark owners forum http://www.wmowners.com/forum/
 
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eBay sellers

Look for 98-100% sellers.

There's a difference. If they have a few ratings and average 98-100%, you could always be the first 1% (terrible). But, if they have hundreds, or thousands, of ratings and an average of 95% or above, that would be better.

The more positive ratings, the better chance you will have a good experience.

TS
 

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You cannot count on using WM points for the Wyndham "affiliated" resorts, they make 2 units avaiable at a 9-10 month window and they are next to impossible to book

You would need to include exchange memvership and fees to exchange into those areas
 

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As a Wyndham owner, we have not been able to get into any Worldmark properties. When we lived in Ohio, Wyndham was the best option for us, but being so often in Seattle now, WM stays that would be nice.

I was surprised to hear that WM owners have the same trouble getting into Wyn properties, but this is good information.

How about getting points in both systems if they like to go to the wast coast regularly too.?

Also, check out the resorts you would like to go to and see if they are affiliated iwth other systems? I like the VRI and VI resorts on the Washington coast and in Hawaii.
 

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I was surprised to hear that WM owners have the same trouble getting into Wyn properties, but this is good information.

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IMHO it's a marketing gimmick to put dots on maps
 

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IMHO it's a marketing gimmick to put dots on maps

It must be, since I got excited when they added the WM properties to our Wyn directory, but have never been able to get in a WM. I seldom even try now
 

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so it seems like if you get into Wyndham then it is easier to get into other wyndham properties and if you get Worldmark, it is easy to get other worldmark but it is difficult to move to between the two?

Worldmark seems better for us because of the multiple properties on the west coast, but wyndham has more properties overall.

hmmm, need to find more info, thanks again everyone and all your help is appreciated.

i just saw a sumdayvacations auction on ebay for 500,000 wyndham points, are they reputable?

thanks
 

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so it seems like if you get into Wyndham then it is easier to get into other wyndham properties and if you get Worldmark, it is easy to get other worldmark but it is difficult to move to between the two?

Worldmark seems better for us because of the multiple properties on the west coast, but wyndham has more properties overall.

thanks


If you want to skip all the gory details from the "Horse's Mouth" below Wyndham has
523K owners and WorldMark 290K or total of 813K!

Wyndham has 70 properties and WorldMark 86 and they share 6 for a total of 162!

While WorldMart has more properties, Wyndham has about twice as many units!

" Although we operate Wyndham Vacation Resorts and WorldMark by Wyndham as separate brands, we have integrated substantially all of the business functions of Wyndham Vacation Resorts and WorldMark by Wyndham, including consumer finance, information technology, certain staff functions, product development and certain marketing activities.
Our vacation ownership business derives a majority of its revenues from sales of vacation ownership interests and derives other revenues from consumer financing and property management. Because revenues from sales of vacation ownership interests and consumer finance in connection with such sales depend on the number of vacation ownership units in which we sell vacation ownership interests, increasing the number of such units is important in achieving our revenue goals. Because revenues from property management depend, in part, on the number of units we manage, increasing the number of such units has a direct effect of increasing our revenues from property management.


Sales and Marketing of Vacation Ownership Interests


Vacation Ownership Interests, Portfolio of Resorts and Maintenance Fees. Wyndham Vacation Resorts markets and sells vacation ownership interests that entitle an owner to resort accommodations that are not restricted to a particular week of the year. As of December 31, 2011, over

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523,000 owners held interests in Wyndham Vacation Resorts resort properties. Wyndham Vacation Resorts properties are located primarily in

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the U.S. and, as of December 31, 2011, consisted of 76 resorts (six of which are shared with WorldMark by Wyndham) that represented approximately 13,300 units.

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The majority of the resorts in which Wyndham Vacation Resorts develops, markets and sells vacation ownership and other real estate interests are destination resorts that are located at or near attractions such as the Walt Disney World Resort in Florida; the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada; Myrtle Beach in South Carolina; Colonial Williamsburg in Virginia; and the Hawaiian Islands. Most Wyndham Vacation Resorts properties are affiliated with Wyndham Worldwide's vacation exchange business, RCI, which annually awards to the top 25-35% of RCI affiliated vacation ownership resorts throughout the world, designations of an RCI Gold Crown Resort winner or an RCI Silver Crown Resort winner for exceptional resort standards and service levels. Among Wyndham Vacation Resorts' 76 resort properties, 82% have been awarded designations of an RCI Gold Crown Resort winner or an RCI Silver Crown Resort winner.
Like Wyndham Vacation Resorts, WorldMark by Wyndham and Wyndham Asia Pacific sell vacation ownership interests that entitle an owner to resort accommodations that are not restricted to a particular week of the year. After WorldMark by Wyndham or Wyndham Asia Pacific develops or acquires resorts, it conveys the resorts to WorldMark, The Club or WorldMark South Pacific Club, which we refer to collectively as the Clubs, as applicable. In exchange for the conveyances, WorldMark by Wyndham or Wyndham Asia Pacific receives the exclusive rights to sell the vacation credits associated with the conveyed resorts and to receive the proceeds from the sales of the vacation credits. Vacation ownership interests sold by WorldMark by Wyndham and Wyndham Asia Pacific represent credits in the Clubs which entitle the owner of the credits to reserve units at the resorts that
are owned and operated by the Clubs. Although vacation credits, unlike vacation ownership interests in Wyndham Vacation Resorts resort properties, do not constitute deeded interests in real estate, vacation credits are regulated in most jurisdictions by the same agency that regulates vacation ownership interests evidenced by deeded interests in real estate.

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As of December 31, 2011, approximately 290,000 owners held vacation credits in the Clubs.
WorldMark by Wyndham resorts are located primarily in the Western U.S., Canada, Mexico and the South Pacific and, as of December 31, 2011,
consisted of 92 resorts (six of which are shared with Wyndham Vacation Resorts) that represented approximately 7,400 units. Of the WorldMark

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by Wyndham resorts and units, Wyndham Asia Pacific has a total of 21 resorts with approximately 900 units an RCI Gold Crown Resort winner or an RCI Silver Crown"
 

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i just saw a sumdayvacations auction on ebay for 500,000 wyndham points, are they reputable?

thanks

Sumday has been fine - we've purchased several from them, are the closing costs paid by the seller?

I understand others have had to wait for Sumday to finalize purchases but they eventually came through
 

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There's a difference. If they have a few ratings and average 98-100%, you could always be the first 1% (terrible). But, if they have hundreds, or thousands, of ratings and an average of 95% or above, that would be better.

The more positive ratings, the better chance you will have a good experience.

TS
The more positive ratings, the better chance you will have a good experience.

TS

I fully agree with you that one needs to look at as many variables/factors as possible. Yes, it is easy enough for one to go on e-bay and do a few transactions, get a great rating then put it to buyers and disappear.

Also, people do get divorced, lose jobs, have medical issues, etc. and suddenly find they cannot pay bills and FICO score crashes from high 700s to 500 or so.

In any business dealing I give preferrance to longetivety, BBB rating, verifable references, professional impression, will space payments over work to be done, takes a credit card, etc.

Indeed one can easily fudge numbers. Take Wyndham claiming around 95% owner satisfaction even with "F" BBB rating and industry around 85% calculated by ARDA.

I can certainly give resorts and staff 80-90% and even an occasional 100% as well as reservations.

Owner relations maybe 60-70% but they are probably blasé after hearing same complaints hundreds of times.

Web site 80-90%.


Lying, scamming, unscrupious, etc. sales people, 0.00%

Free RCI membership as Wyndham owns RCI vs Interval resort where one will pay $89 a year, 28K vacations perk since Wyndham owns RCI, 0.00%

Great VIP benefits with no mention terminable at will(this disclaimer was not on benefits sheet salesman showed me), 0.00%

Great investment in prime deeded resort, like ones house doubled in value over last ten years will do even better and can sell for enough to pay for all your vacations(now taboo under Fairfield 30 Rules of Conduct circa 2005), 0.00%

:crash: :mad: :wall:
 

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It is not easy to book between the 2 systems. It would be easier to buy one and use an exchange company to trade into the other. Or, just buy both.
 

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We just purchased a Blue green points contract from Sumday through ebay and everything went fine. I have seen some complaints about them here on TUG, but each time I have also seen the owner come on and post about getting whatever the problem is corrected.
 
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