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I have some points which expire at the end of this year, but want to book a studio in HI for January 1017. I am figuring that can not work, correct?

Also, I have Thanksgiving OF at Grande Ocean week reserved for this year. If I used my points to book a GO trip, would my deposit of a 2 BR OF at Thanksgiving get me a studio or 1 bedroom at a nice place in Hawaii? I have used an AC in II before but never actually tried to trade within it. The week is NOT enrolled in the DC, so I know I can not trade it directly with Marrott.
 

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I'd love to help, but honestly; I can't make out what you're really trying to do!

MGO has a TDI of about 65-70 for T-day week. That's not great. But, trading down from a 2br or 1br to a studio shouldn't be too hard. Plus, with eplus (pardon the pun), you could certainly trade-up within 59 days to a larger or more luxurious unit.

If you can better explain, then I could better answer? What's the base trade.... (MVC points based reservation? or ???) etc..
 

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If you used points for a week checking in on 12/31 and that week flowed into January 2017, you can do that as the check in day is the trigger.

Another idea is to check into using points to book a studio via II....haven't really done that, but seems its a possible option.

Not sure about your trade value question regarding your non enrolled week.
 

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Sadly, trying to explain it in person wouldn't be any less discombobulated. My brain jumps around. A LOT, my children tell me.

I want to book a studio or 1 bedroom in Hawaii for a family member next January. My choices are my DC points....I have a group expiring Dec 31 that can not be extended, but I could rent extras to go with the ones that do not expire this year and that is what I had planned to do.....but it sure would be nice to be able to use these points that are expiring.

Other option is my owned week at GO. I have Thanksgiving this year reserved. I have never joined II for this one, but it occurred to me that maybe that could trade into HI in January in a smaller unit.
 

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Sadly, trying to explain it in person wouldn't be any less discombobulated. My brain jumps around. A LOT, my children tell me.

I want to book a studio or 1 bedroom in Hawaii for a family member next January. My choices are my DC points....I have a group expiring Dec 31 that can not be extended, but I could rent extras to go with the ones that do not expire this year and that is what I had planned to do.....but it sure would be nice to be able to use these points that are expiring.

Other option is my owned week at GO. I have Thanksgiving this year reserved. I have never joined II for this one, but it occurred to me that maybe that could trade into HI in January in a smaller unit.
(then I could use the points that will expire this year to book the same week, DC week at GO)

So I want a week at HH over Thanksgiving AND a small Hawaiian unit for a honeymoon for one of the kids who knows my brain is as jumpy as it appears in my questions!
 

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Not sure how many points you are working with that expire at end of 2016, but it may be worth a call to II to sniff out the possibility of using them to book a studio via II with your points. Seems the point quantities are not all that high for a studio, especially when you are considering its in Hawaii.

See this exchange guide for using DC points for trading in II. http://www.intervalworld.com/iimedia/pdf/points_exchange_reference_guide_m.pdf

I am assuming you can use 2016 points for a 2017 II exchange.

Can't hurt to call and sniff out its viability.
 
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Sadly, trying to explain it in person wouldn't be any less discombobulated. My brain jumps around. A LOT, my children tell me.

I want to book a studio or 1 bedroom in Hawaii for a family member next January. My choices are my DC points....I have a group expiring Dec 31 that can not be extended, but I could rent extras to go with the ones that do not expire this year and that is what I had planned to do.....but it sure would be nice to be able to use these points that are expiring.

Other option is my owned week at GO. I have Thanksgiving this year reserved. I have never joined II for this one, but it occurred to me that maybe that could trade into HI in January in a smaller unit.

(then I could use the points that will expire this year to book the same week, DC week at GO)

So I want a week at HH over Thanksgiving AND a small Hawaiian unit for a honeymoon for one of the kids who knows my brain is as jumpy as it appears in my questions!

Gotcha.
The main issue is really airline tickets. Not sure where they are traveling from, but you might need to be flexible on buying the tickets, make changeable reservations or research the prices and plan to buy no later than date XXX and restrict your searches after that.

Well, some thoughts:

  1. You could easily rent the points that expire and use the cash for other plans... (there is a TUG member with a site that facilitates this...)
  2. There are always getaways in Hawaii for under $1500, some under $1200
  3. If you had ANY deposit in II, you could place an OGS for a studio in HI. They are not hard to get; especially with Marriott Preference. This might not match until close to 59 days for a better resort. If it matched early, you could always eplus to a better unit in flextime. In flextime, you can pickup ANYTHING you see. There have been many studios and 1 bedrooms matching.
Hope that helps?
 

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You can't book a marriott using DC points through II.

I think you have a good chance using your GO unit to get a studio. Where in Hawaii are you looking? Earlier in January would be easier than later January.
You can do a request first and hold onto your week while you are looking.
 

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You can't book a marriott using DC points through II.

OP said studio in a nice place in HI. Never said it had to be a Marriott.
 

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You can't book a marriott using DC points through II.

I think you have a good chance using your GO unit to get a studio. Where in Hawaii are you looking? Earlier in January would be easier than later January.
You can do a request first and hold onto your week while you are looking.

OP said studio in a nice place in HI. Never said it had to be a Marriott.

Re-read the post: I read that Greentea has an OWNED week (not DC) that might be deposited into II. If this is a legacy week, it can be deposited and traded via II with MP. It should pull a January studio in Hawaii--especially with MP. It will definitely pull anything you can click on during flex.

The points value (if the week is DC) is about 2250 for a 2br MGO week 46. The value for a Jan Kauai Beach Club studio is 2250-1750 points. I think it's very doable based on the size/TDI difference.

I'm no expert though.

BTW: I was suggesting you rent-out YOUR points to someone else to save the value of the points and then use your points (and rent some more) to book the ressie.

cheers.
 

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The owned week is a resale, bout after 2010, and is not enrolled. So I don't think I get any preference for Marriott in II(??)
 

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The owned week is a resale, bout after 2010, and is not enrolled. So I don't think I get any preference for Marriott in II(??)

Sure you do.
 

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The owned week is a resale, bout after 2010, and is not enrolled. So I don't think I get any preference for Marriott in II(??)

Au contraire: you certainly do have MP !!!!

So. You add the legacy week to II. Not sure about the process with your mixed weeks..... but anyway:

Options:
  • deposit the GO week into II (deposit first) and set up an on-going search OGS for the Hawaii unit. You will have Marriott preference in II (up to 23 days?). In flex, you may or may not have MP. Based on the tdi/size difference, I think you have almost an even match for a studio and maybe a 1br (with OGS). You can always except an exchange, purchase eplus and then try to upgrade as the time gets closer (very easy inside 59 days, but lots of patient watching needed for the manual trade).
  • enroll the week in II and place a 'request first' search. You may get it and don't commit your unit to II.
Either of these methods will give you the opportunity to exchange your legacy for HI. I think the odds are better (for a good unit) early in January, fair-good for the last week of January. The sooner you act, the better. If you purchase 1 year of platinum II, the GC will be free (so $59 discount). Ask the rep: you may have 'special offers' that would discount your membership.

Hope this helps. As I said, you can always just rent-out the expiring points and save yourself the cost of enrollment into II. I'll research that for mixed accounts or a real expert will reply.

Recent threads http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236904 indicate that some people have both converted legacy weeks (DC) and legacy weeks (non-enrolled) in the same account with II (DC corporate account). Others indicate that they have opened separate accounts for enrolled and non-enrolled weeks. Has your non-enrolled week ever been in II? If not, it's likely you'll need to open a new II account (weeks) and pay the annual fee and exchange fee and eplus fee etc... Probably cheaper to rent-out your points and rent fresh ones for next year--assuming you're unlikely to exchange your MGO in the future. With the right week reserved, I think your MGO could pull some good trades; weeks 11-12 have some value. Not sure of your plans of course...
A second option: Place a request with one of the secondary (free) exchanges. A nice loveshack in Hawaii should be doable this far out.

cheers
 
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Or again, assuming staying in a Marriott is not a must, you can take 1750 (appears that would be the number from my quick peek at HI TDI in mid to late January and compared to the chart in post #6 for a studio) of your expiring 2016 DC points, and put in a request for a non-Marriott HI studio, and just keep your GO week as it is.

Seems to me that is at least worth looking into as going that route, you don't have to pay for an II membership (as you are using the one you are already paying for via your DC point membership) and you don't have to use more points than the 1750, vs having to cough up 2250 points per post #10 in order to rebook your GO Thanksgiving week if you go the trading your GO week via II route.

Ordinarily using DC points in II is not something worth considering, but in your special circumstance, it may make sense.
 

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I think Fasttr has it. I now see the MVC and MGO under the signature.
Thanks Fasttr.

I was just stirring the mud I guess. :)
 

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I think Fasttr has it. I now see the MVC and MGO under the signature.
Thanks Fasttr.

I was just stirring the mud I guess. :)

I think they are both viable options....both worth checking out and whichever gives the OP the best chance of success, to get what they want, at the cheapest outlay of additional cash, is likely the best approach.
 

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First, I think it should be easy to book the Thanksgiving Grande Ocean week with DC points. Second, if you deposit a Grande Ocean week in II and don't need a 2BR match, then that size advantage should work really well too. I would not even request a studio because I think a 1BR would match rather easily at either MOC, Ko Olina or KBC. And in my opinion it would not take forever to match.
 

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Options:
  • enroll the week in II and place a 'request first' search. You may get it and don't commit your unit to II.

But if the reserved week is November 2016 a request first will only let you search up until that date and not into January of 2017. Also when you refer to a "secondary (free)" exchange do you mean e-plus?

One interesting idea to get around the request first limitation could be to exchange the MGO week for the same week in II and then add e-plus and search for a retrade while ensuring the Thanksgiving week will not be lost.
 

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But if the reserved week is November 2016 a request first will only let you search up until that date and not into January of 2017. Also when you refer to a "secondary (free)" exchange do you mean e-plus?

One interesting idea to get around the request first limitation could be to exchange the MGO week for the same week in II and then add e-plus and search for a retrade while ensuring the Thanksgiving week will not be lost.

So, first of all, I still think the best option is to avoid opening another II account ($$$) unless the OP is going to routinely exchange the MGO week. Based on the posts, I'm not even sure if the OP desires to, or would get any real value from, exchanging the MGO--especially if they like to occupy the unit. That's another discussion entirely...

My thoughts (for sake of discussion only) were:

  • some people do not like to 'give up' their reservations to II unless they already have another booking etc... Request first (RF) allows a quick start on the search without relinquishment. Power of RF vs OGS is debated frequently here.
  • I, personally, would never run a RF search past 6 mos prior to check-in unless I fully intended to occupy the unit if the search was unsuccessful. The value of a deposit decreases dramatically towards check-in; I think 6 mos is considered a drop-off point...IMHO. The real value of RF searches: you can play multiple exchanges at once.
  • To answer your question, by 'secondary/free exchange.." I meant the independent exchange companies like DAE, Platinum, HTSE, SFX etc.. some of which do not require relinquishment or paid membership to search. Example: you can get 5 years of SFX (including RF searches) for the price of 1-2 years on II.
Hope that answers the question.
For the OP (if you're still awake after reading my long posts), if you ever decide you might like to exchange your MGO without paying big $$, consider researching/calling a few of the independent exchanges and see if you find anything you like. Might be a good alternative to using DC points for booking family gifts or multiple units or non-II exchanges.

Cheers!
 

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Don't make an easy problem into a hard one. Just book the Thanksgiving GO week with DC points and deposit your own GO week in II with an ongoing search. It will match quickly to a smaller size unit, which is all you are seeking, and you will be able to use your expiring points. It will probably all be accomplished this quarter.
 
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