Help please - deciding what to do with Summit Watch and Timber Lodge reservations 15 days out

[funNsun]

Per the subject line, I have an MVC weeks reservation at SW staring 1/26. I had hoped to rent this out via Redweek but that has not happened yet, despite lowering my price quite a bit. I may have been too late in lowering it. I also have an Interval reservation at TL starting 1/26 (with e-Plus). Both reservations are for a 2 BR unit. I intend to use one of these to ski, and was originally planning to use the TL reservation.

At this point, what are my options assuming the SW reservation does not rent? I believe I could use the SW reservation and use my first ePlus trade to trade out the TL reservation. I know I am restricted to trading for another week within 60 days of the TL reservation. Please kindly confirm my understanding and let me know if there are any other options worth considering.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Hindsite]

Is your II reservation using an Abound enrolled ownership?
Have you already used any of the II ePlus retrades?

 

[funNsun]

TBH, I am not sure what "using an Abound enrolled ownership" means. My II reservation was made by depositing a locked off portion of a Grand Vista weeks reservation (studio or 1 BR was traded, cannot remember which) with II and then trading that deposit for the 2 BR TL week. Paid for ePlus and of course the upgrade fee(s). I have not yet used any of my ePlus trades on this reservation.

 

[DeniseM]

Did you know that you aren't allowed to rent II reservations/exchanges?

 

[funNsun]

Yes, thanks. I am fully aware that you are not allowed to rent II reservations/exchanges. I own at SW and that reservation is a regular MVC reservation. That is the only one I am trying to rent. The TL reservation was obtained via an II exchange and I am not trying to rent that one.

 

[Hindsite]

TBH, I am not sure what "using an Abound enrolled ownership" means.

Do you pay for your own II account or is it one provided as part of the Club dues that you pay?
If its an enrolled account exchanges into other MVC, Sheraton and Westin properties have no fee and you have unlimited retrades, so you don't need eplus unless you are wanting to extend the expiry of a deposit. You can use the 3 x eplus retrades and then do more just retrading within the brands to push it out further.

If you pay for your own II account and you've bought eplus then you've got 3 x no fee retrades, so you can push the reservation out 60 days 3 times. Or you can cancel the exchange and get a reservation that is good for 12 months but you will still have the 60 day reservation window.
@Pamplemousse have I got that right?

 

[funNsun]

I think i pay for my own II account. My MVC weeks are not enrolled (purchased resale 2-3 years ago based on the great advice given via TUG)

 

[tomvc]

You have to eplus out of TL by tomorrow (14 days before check-in) if you intend to use ePlus retrade. New restriction started with 2024 II exchange confirmations. Within 14 days, you pay full retrade fee (not sure if Marriott discount applies).

PC rental market is probably soft due to the ski patrol strike and only half of the mountain open.

Edit: Looks like strike has ended. I would go to PC.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Do you pay for your own II account or is it one provided as part of the Club dues that you pay?
If its an enrolled account exchanges into other MVC, Sheraton and Westin properties have no fee and you have unlimited retrades, so you don't need eplus unless you are wanting to extend the expiry of a deposit. You can use the 3 x eplus retrades and then do more just retrading within the brands to push it out further.

If you pay for your own II account and you've bought eplus then you've got 3 x no fee retrades, so you can push the reservation out 60 days 3 times. Or you can cancel the exchange and get a reservation that is good for 12 months but you will still have the 60 day reservation window.
@Pamplemousse have I got that right?

Yes but 1 more option.
If OP doesn’t think he can travel within the close to 6 month (60 days x3) period he would get using flexchange eplus he could use the 3 eplus retrades consecutively so that he has a check in dates more than 60 days into the future and then call II and cancel the reservation and ask for a replacement week while check in is still 60 days + in future.
If you are not in flexchange when you cancel (ie. you are more than 60 days from check in) the replacement week won’t be in flexchange so you can request and book all the way to its expiration which will be 1 year from the day of cancellation.
You can get eplus for whatever you book with this replacement week.
It should have about the same trading power as the original week.
It will cost an exchange fee when used.

 

[funNsun]

Unfortunately, it would appear that using e-plus to retrade needs to occur outside of 14 days (and not inside or exactly at the 14 day mark). For example, my reservation start date for the II Timber Lodge reservation is 1/26. As of today, which is exactly 14 days ahead, I appear unable to start in e-Plus exchange and instead can only do a full exchange with a full exchange fee. Also, this limits the dates to today plus 60 days. If I would have exchanged yesterday, I would have been able to exchange via ePlus for no fee for up to 60 days from 1/26 if my understanding is correct. I will treat this as part of my learning tax.

@Pamplemousse: could I still deploy the tactic you outlined? I am thinking that I could and the decision on paying the exhange fee is now moot. For example, I could pay for an exchange to move my current reservation to an early March start date, then flex change it (maybe only need to it twice) to move it outside 60 days. Then, call and cancel to get replacement week. Am I able to roll-over any unused ePlus exchanges?

Thank you all for the help and I will continue to try to be detailed in what occurs so maybe others can be informed.

 

[Hindsite]

, I appear unable to start in e-Plus exchange and instead can only do a full exchange with a full exchange fee.

Call II as soon as you can tomorrow and be nice the the agent as they have been known to fix problems like this, or they might be able to bust you out of the 60 day window with a full fee retrade. It might just work so worth a call.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Unfortunately, Redweek has many weeks that never get rented. I have noticed this over the last 11 months. There is a plethora of weeks available at all of the quality Marriott and Westin resorts, and Redweek will not provide any type of guarantee of a rental because they just cannot guarantee anything, but they love to take your money, and as Denise says, they are pretty indifferent if your week rents or doesn't rent.

They charge $99 (I pay $60 as a repeat renter) for a listing to verify/ protect, but that money is gone, unless you rent your week.

I hope you listed with go-koala.com as well because it's in direct competition with RW and Koala doesn't charge anything to list. They take money on the back-end, after the week is rented. Still no guarantee, and of course they cannot promise your week will rent. Once Koala becomes more known in the timeshare world, I think we will see a company that can truly compete with RW.

 

[funtime]

Jan 26th is Sundance for Park City and MSW is rentable. Lower price on Redweek, but also put ad up on CL Salt Lake City and Koala. It is very rentable.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Unfortunately, it would appear that using e-plus to retrade needs to occur outside of 14 days (and not inside or exactly at the 14 day mark). For example, my reservation start date for the II Timber Lodge reservation is 1/26. As of today, which is exactly 14 days ahead, I appear unable to start in e-Plus exchange and instead can only do a full exchange with a full exchange fee. Also, this limits the dates to today plus 60 days. If I would have exchanged yesterday, I would have been able to exchange via ePlus for no fee for up to 60 days from 1/26 if my understanding is correct. I will treat this as part of my learning tax.

@Pamplemousse: could I still deploy the tactic you outlined? I am thinking that I could and the decision on paying the exhange fee is now moot. For example, I could pay for an exchange to move my current reservation to an early March start date, then flex change it (maybe only need to it twice) to move it outside 60 days. Then, call and cancel to get replacement week. Am I able to roll-over any unused ePlus exchanges?

Thank you all for the help and I will continue to try to be detailed in what occurs so maybe others can be informed.

Sorry that you missed the eplus deadline.
I agree with @Hindsite to call II tomorrow and explain you misunderstood the eplus deadline and see if they will help you out. You could then use the epluses as Hindsite outlined or the cancelation plan to get out of flexchange and extend as I wrote.

If they won’t help you your choice is to stay the reservation or cancel and take the replacement week which will be in flexchange. I believe you could still buy eplus once you reserve with that week. I’m not sure you could get a replacement week got a replacement week to ultimately get a non restricted week.

 

[barco13]

Well, my first time adding E-Plus to my reservation didn't go exactly how I planned either. I too, did not read the fine print and I am now within the Flexchange period as of yesterday. Prior to yesterday, I could use the E-Plus retrade to look at dates out into early 2026 so I kept thinking I would find something. Background is that I'm sitting on a 2BD unit in Hilton Head in March that it doesn't look like we are going to use. But it sounds like if I just find another retrade in May (for instance), I would then be able to see units beyond the Flexchange period?

 

[jwalk03]

Well, my first time adding E-Plus to my reservation didn't go exactly how I planned either. I too, did not read the fine print and I am now within the Flexchange period as of yesterday. Prior to yesterday, I could use the E-Plus retrade to look at dates out into early 2026 so I kept thinking I would find something. Background is that I'm sitting on a 2BD unit in Hilton Head in March that it doesn't look like we are going to use. But it sounds like if I just find another retrade in May (for instance), I would then be able to see units beyond the Flexchange period?

Once your deposit enters flexchange it remains in Flexchange. Each re-trade must be done within the 60-day window.

 

[barco13]

Once your deposit enters flexchange it remains in Flexchange. Each re-trade must be done within the 60-day window.

Thanks. Though it allows me to book something out to May 14th currently? Which would be outside of the 59 day window. Oh, I think I see what you are saying. If I booked a week May 14th check-in, I could only retrade up until July 14th?

 

[bnoble]

Correct. That is still a decent window though.

 

[barco13]

Correct. That is still a decent window though.

Thanks. And it sounds like I can just "kicking the can" a bit if I wanted to get to a later date in the year? i.e. Book May, then July, then Sept for 3 retrades. Won't get me as far as I would like but live/learn.

 

[jwalk03]

Thanks. And it sounds like I can just "kicking the can" a bit if I wanted to get to a later date in the year? i.e. Book May, then July, then Sept for 3 retrades. Won't get me as far as I would like but live/learn.

Yes exactly. You can keep kicking the can down the road until you run out of re-trades.

 

[barco13]

Yes exactly. You can keep kicking the can down the road until you run out of re-trades.

Sounds good. Thanks everybody for the information. I think I am able to force my parents to take a trip and use a retrade . Just don't like seeing anything go to waste.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Sounds good. Thanks everybody for the information. I think I am able to force my parents to take a trip and use a retrade . Just don't like seeing anything go to waste.

And to be clear once you book may, you can immediately see to and book July, and if you book July, you can see to and book September.
eplus flexchange is 60 days ahead from reservation date, it doesn't roll forward one day at a time like regular flexchange from a late deposit or such.