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HBO Drops Gone With the Wind

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It is a great and classic movie. Fortunately they are not dropping it permanently. Apparently they will be adding a discussion segment to place the movie in historical context and allow it to be used as a point of discussion concerning both modern times and the Antebellum South, slavery and the American Civil War. I love GWTW, but I have no problem if someone wants to use it as a medium for relevant discussion. Outright banning would be a mistake, IMO.
 

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As per Kelly Lawler of USA TODAY

Is it time for cop TV shows to be canceled for good?

"What role do police dramas and comedies play in perpetuating institutional racism and unpunished police brutality? Television is a powerful medium, and it's long past time to
reckon with decades of stories that portray cops mostly as heroes and protagonists and black people as the criminals they lock up. If we can’t get rid of cop shows entirely
(although it’s not the worst idea), we need to change them."


Putting the context of this tragedy aside if we can, would this open a whole new door by doing so and would it even be possible?
 

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I'm thinking this thread isn't going to last the night, but we shall see.
 

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The more important question becomes when will the 'discussion' turn to the more significant problems of the current day?
 

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As per Kelly Lawler of USA TODAY

Is it time for cop TV shows to be canceled for good?

"What role do police dramas and comedies play in perpetuating institutional racism and unpunished police brutality? Television is a powerful medium, and it's long past time to
reckon with decades of stories that portray cops mostly as heroes and protagonists and black people as the criminals they lock up. If we can’t get rid of cop shows entirely
(although it’s not the worst idea), we need to change them."


Putting the context of this tragedy aside if we can, would this open a whole new door by doing so and would it even be possible?

it's only the live "cops" that was cancelled
Don't worry, there will always be police dramas on TV (and comedy)

And Reno 911 is still on !

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Next thing you know, teenagers won't be allowed to read Huckleberry Finn without a permission slip from their parents. Just like when I had to read about the insufferable snot Holden Caulfield.
 

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I never needed a permission slip for Catcher in the Rye. I just reread that earlier this year. It was 41 years since I read it the first time.
 

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With the current generation, getting them to read any book is a near miracle because few students have the patience to actually read anymore.
It's also sad how the internet has gutted book reading - why bother with all that effort when a search can yield a Cliff note summary or some oddball web page discussing what you are reading?
 

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Never enjoyed J.D. Salinger's writing style.
 

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Just wait. The next shoe to drop will be books being removed from Libraries...
The libraries are almost universally in favor of First Amendment freedoms, so I don't think you need to be concerned.

A steady stream of shoe drops, so we can waste our energy and anger on trivialities while things that matter must go unspoken.
 

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Next thing you know, teenagers won't be allowed to read Huckleberry Finn without a permission slip from their parents. Just like when I had to read about the insufferable snot Holden Caulfield.
So with you on that!

I think good literature, even movies that sort of follow the books, which Gone with the Wind does not follow the book as it should, can give us an understanding of the culture from years past. How can you know how far we have come, if you have no idea where we came from?

I was no fan of Catcher in the Rye. I had a tough time reading that one.
 

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Remember the heat the NBA got in China for comments from an owner about Hong Kong? Where is the support from players over all that?
 

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The libraries are almost universally in favor of First Amendment freedoms, so I don't think you need to be concerned.

A steady stream of shoe drops, so we can waste our energy and anger on trivialities while things that matter must go unspoken.
The libraries will keep the books. But they will put them in restricted access so that only "approved" people will be allowed to view them. That is what libraries have been doing for decades, if not centuries. Why would they change now?
 

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Lots of material relevant to the issue here:
American Library Association
 

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So with you on that!

I think good literature, even movies that sort of follow the books, which Gone with the Wind does not follow the book as it should, can give us an understanding of the culture from years past. How can you know how far we have come, if you have no idea where we came from?

I was no fan of Catcher in the Rye. I had a tough time reading that one.
As I recall, in English my senior year of high school, we were assigned to read Huckleberry Finn (Twain), Catcher in the Rye (Salinger) and Intruder in the Dust (Faulkner), with the link of all three books involving adolescent males. And we had to write an essay based on the three books. I enjoyed Finn immensely. I thought Holden Caulfield insufferably, pompous, and clueless about the real world. Intruder in the Dust was almost unreadable - I have no idea why our teacher thought that would be a good book to introduce teens to Faulkner.

I ended up writing an essay that addressed the evolving awareness of the teen protagonists in Finn and Dust regarding racial issues. Now, I can't remember a single detail of Intruder in the Dust. But I still remember the evolution of Huck seeing Jim as a ****** to knowing him as a friend and as a better person than him.

And isn't that really what art is about? It should engage us, not make us turn away. But as art engages us it also makes us think. Shakespeare's plays were immensely popular in his day. They were commercial endeavors. Yet they transcended.

Sometimes, when I intersect with the "arts" community, I leave with a sense that for that community, art should be measured based on how much it causes a person who is not part of their community, such as I, to want to puke. And then I'm an insensitive dolt because I find the work tedious or moronic.
 

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I read that HBO Max will likely restore Gone with the Wind in about a week with a new introduction from a prominent African American studies scholar. The expert will discuss the movie’s accuracy, its portrayals and the issues and problems those depictions create. I think this is a win-won for HBO Max and Black Lives Matter.

This is something I read: If you need any more evidence that Gone with the Wind requires more historical context, it should be noted that even though the movie resulted in Hattie McDaniel becoming the first African-American to win an Oscar for her role as the house servant Mammy, she wasn’t allowed to sit at the table with her co-stars Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable. Instead, she sat at a small table up against a far wall. At that time, the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles where the Academy Awards were held had a “no blacks” code, and producer David O. Selznick had to make a special request to even get her in the building.
 
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I read that HBO Max will likely restore Gone with the Wind in about a week with a new introduction from a prominent African American studies scholar. The expert will discuss the movie’s accuracy, its portrayals and the issues and problems those depictions create. I think this is a win-won for HBO Max and Black Lives Matter.

This is something I read: If you need any more evidence that Gone with the Wind requires more historical context, it should be noted that even though the movie resulted in Hattie McDaniel becoming the first African-American to win an Oscar for her role as the house servant Mammy, she wasn’t allowed to sit at the table with her co-stars Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable. Instead, she sat at a small table up against a far wall. At that time, the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles where the Academy Awards were held had a “no blacks” code, and producer David O. Selznick had to make a special request to even get her in the building.

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It is a great and classic movie. Fortunately they are not dropping it permanently. Apparently they will be adding a discussion segment to place the movie in historical context and allow it to be used as a point of discussion concerning both modern times and the Antebellum South, slavery and the American Civil War. I love GWTW, but I have no problem if someone wants to use it as a medium for relevant discussion. Outright banning would be a mistake, IMO.
I agree. The movie can certainly be an educational tool with an opportunity for discussion at all levels. Just like the statues and Confederate flags, museums are a greatvolace to place these items. Many countries once in the Soviet bloc have made museums or parks of the old Communist leaders to learn about history.
 

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Yes and again a teachable moment to be pointed out for education and racism.
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Megyn Kelly rails against censorship after ‘Gone With the Wind’ pulled, cop shows shelved: ‘If you don’t like it, don’t watch’

Pornography...another issue
 

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The idea of a comparison of HBO to a museum seems apt but this assumes art is allowed to speak for itself.
I have no confidence in any media outlet today offering what they construe to be a lesson on any subject, but if HBO pushes through with this idea, where does it stop?
Will we have white professors discussing the teachable moments before Spike Lee films?
Will we have computers insisting on delivering their side of the story before Terminator films or 2001: A Space Odyssey? Perhaps the chimpanzees will want a word before that film as well...
Or will the entire ape family offer thoughts in front of any Planet of the Apes series films?
Arachnids prior to any SpiderMan film?
How about the perspective from nuclear weapons prior to Dr. Strangelove?

Conversations need to occur on many subjects these days, but propaganda - which is what HBO is proposing - is not the way to accomplish meaningful change.
 

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Pornography...another issue

Another good issue as well - I wonder if HBO is willing to fall on a sword for its responsibility in allowing pornography being made available to anyone at any age.
 
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