You are correct. We have wandered off topic. My apologies for contributing to that.The sad thing is that you have taken this thread away from the topic.
You are correct. We have wandered off topic. My apologies for contributing to that.
No need apologize. We got far bigger worries than the distinction between Hawaii government and Hawaiian government. The other guy can win the discussion. It is not a contest as to who gets the last word in.
I agree, it is clear that people in Hawaii DO NOT want additional people coming there from other areas that may bring additional the virus to the islands. That goes for Hawaiians, non Hawaiian residents, and the Government! The 14 day quarantine is a nice way of dictating, DON'T COME.
The governor has been very effective here. Tourism is now closed. However, we want this to end as soon as possible so we can reopen for business. Despite all our internal grumbling and discontent, we live in the greatest of the fifty states. Nothing comes close. I am not going to debate this.
Glad you had a nice trip back. I am praying for NY. The people are definitely following orders here. I have been out to get supplies and it is a ghost town. Everyone is being careful. We are definitely 1000 times better off than we were a week ago.
For those who are wondering if this edict re visitors and returning residents is official, it definitely is. At first, we were told a warning would be issued initially, but now they are going straight to citations, and fines can be up to $5000. Hawaii is not your dream vacation right now.....so much is closed e.g. restaurants, nightclubs, parks, beaches, all the special attractions. Those of us not under quarantine are directed to stay at home; we can go to the grocery store, get gas, go to limited banks, get take-out food. Frankly, everybody has to do their part. There are the idiots who think the virus wouldn't effect them, but they ignore the fact that they could pass it on to others. We'll get through this, but save your visit to Hawaii once we can get back to normal.
We really had the potential to be the next New York. I am cautiously optimistic we will avoid that type of growth rate. People are scared now and paying attention. I hope we didn’t shut down too late.
In addition some of the guests who are currently here are insulting the workers who are trying to do their job and not get infected:
Big Island resort worker asks mainland tourists to show aloha during crisis
Among her nightmare stories, a guest from San Francisco used racial slurs and said hotel staff should be grateful that tourists give them jobs.
Saturday, March 28th 2020, 11:26 AM HST by Annalisa Burgos
On the Big Island, a handful of resorts remain open to serve flight crews, essential workers from neighboring islands, and dozens of mainland tourists waiting out the COVID-19 crisis.
A hotel union worker who asked not to be identified says she and her colleagues are shocked by the attitude of visitors who feel entitled to access and services despite the state's "Stay at Home" order.
"If you're going to come to escape your own city, town, state's rules and regulations for lockdown, why are you here? And then being rude on top of it and sometimes quite abusive.," she said.
Among her nightmare stories, a guest from San Francisco used racial slurs and said hotel staff should be grateful that tourists give them jobs.
She said guests are extending stays, paying as much as $200 a night, but are ignoring restrictions on where they can go.
And while the state can't ban visitors outright, hospitality workers are asking tourists to show aloha to people working during the crisis.
"We're all in this together, we're all having to go through this. And it's not easy, you know, we are all worried whether or not we are essential workers or not. We all have families to go home to also," she said.
I have mixed feelings about this kind of journalism. It rarely reflects reality. It is often a snapshot of a bad episode or episodes. We need to hear the good right now. Not the bad.
I am very concerned that our trip to Kauai will be cancelled for 6/6-6/20. Rick is somewhat optimistic. I just keep thinking of all of the tourism and restaurants and the people who depend on that for a living. Certainly Hawaii will want visitors soon. I am not cancelling until there is an announcement of a date in the range that covers our trip. If they say 5/31, that won't make me cancel. We will see.
Where you are getting that data from?The isolation rules in each state keep rolling forward. Perhaps you will be good by June. However, Hawaii is behind New York and other states as far as the peaking of the virus. Most probably it will be behind Colorado so while you may be good to fly out, you may not be good to fly into Kauai or safe to be in Kauai. I believe that the numbers that I have seen in Kauai are some of the lowest in the country so if they stay that way it is possible that there will be NO virus in Kauai by June. Good Luck
Where you are getting that data from?
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/hawaii appears to say something different. By mid-May it shows zero patients in the hospital state-wide and zero deaths from late April on. Since about 20% of those infected need to be hospitalized, that would suggest not more than about 5 patients with the disease by mid-May in the entire state.
The numbers have changed since I last looked at them. Hawaii was peaking in May. If Hawaii does peak in 4 days as the latest chart says and there are NO cases in mid May then certainly it will be fine to be in Hawaii in June. Since I am planning on a late September trip that will include moving into our condo I certainly would love it to be over in June and go feeling like this was just a bad dream that is over.
Where you are getting that data from?
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/hawaii appears to say something different. By mid-May it shows zero patients in the hospital state-wide and zero deaths from late April on. Since about 20% of those infected need to be hospitalized, that would suggest not more than about 5 patients with the disease by mid-May in the entire state.
To start - a quibble. The charts do not show cases. They show no new cases. So it isn't saying COVID-19 will be gone. They are indicating no new cases - and assuming current control measures remain in effect.By the way I just looked at the same data for New York and they show NO cases in May for New York. Since over 700 people died yesterday in NY and there are thousand new cases each day to believe that it will be over in 3 weeks in NY seems like fantasy not a bad dream!
Remember that those 700 were first infected in March. The issue is new infections. Mortality trails by 1-2 weeks, sometimes 3. So as the number that die starts dropping, it means the number of new infections dropped a week or two earlier. Also, the model ASSUMES good effective social distancing. To the extent a community does not comply, the model will be wrong. As it says, "COVID-19 projections assuming full social distancing through May 2020." NY may not achieve that, and it will extend the curve.By the way I just looked at the same data for New York and they show NO cases in May for New York. Since over 700 people died yesterday in NY and there are thousand new cases each day to believe that it will be over in 3 weeks in NY seems like fantasy not a bad dream!