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I see lots of informed people on topics there so going to ask this. A neighbor has a graduating senior and he is '' trying to find information about jobs in the tech industry to know where to go to school.'' We have a local college but they are not sure if they might be more interested in selling their programs. Thanks
 

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That's very vague as a question, so I'd suggest he consider what sort of tech job he might want to do, and what sort of place he wants to work. I.e. developer (business / game / web ), IT (internal, cloud, consultant), embedded design (electrical engineering and product / board development) etc. Also, is he looking to work at a local company, want to try and work at a FANG, work in research (private, university), work in on site support, sales engineering, etc...

This will all affect the type of schooling, and what schools might be best...
 

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Here is the AI Google generated answer. As mentioned, the student's guidance counselor would be a better source of information. "Tech" is far too broad to determine the "best" school.

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Look at website College Confidential. It’s like TUG, but for everything college. Look around or post the question the moderators are very knowledgeable. Lots of great statistics on acceptance rates on many schools.

You might have to be more specific on your question to get a better response. Is he/she trying to apply in state or looking at going out of state? Tuition cost will be much different between the two. Kids like to shop for schools without looking at the price tag.
 

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What state does this senior live in and what are the major universities in that state ?
 

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At this late stage, I would think that it might be late to apply to major STEM schools. What are his SAT and/or ACT scores?

I would suggest starting on a STEM track at the local Junior College for two years, living at home to keep costs down. Possibly working part time to build a war chest. After two years at JuCo, he will get a better idea of where he wants to go, satisfy his electives and be ready to hit the ground running if he decides to finish at a major Tech university. This will also allow him to avoid the "flunk-out" courses in the frosh program most major universities have (math, chemistry and physics). JuCo's may have smaller classes of these courses with more one on one assistance.

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He’s not to late to apply. Depends if they are applying early admission or regular admission. Usually application deadlines start Nov 30th - January depending on the university.

A lot of prestigious schools have supplemental questions that require careful thought and many revisions before submission, so he/she better start soon. The activities list also takes time to enter especially with the limits on word count.
 
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Thanks!! I knew I'd get good info/replies on this
 

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Thanks!! I knew I'd get good info/replies on this
I've worked in Tech for almost 30 years. Prior to that, I did technical recruitment for a fortune 50 company. What was true then, is true today if you are speaking of IT type of Tech. CERTIFICATIONS are KING KING KING. Here's the deal with a 4 year degree (I have a 4 year and two masters so I'm not against it), by the time a person graduates after 4 years much of what they learned in year one is getting obsolete. here are some great career paths....each of which are somewhat easy to navigate between when one is rising up the latter. Developer (only as an entry point --- stay away from things like Web Development as those are a dime a dozen), Network Engineer, DBA, DA, Architect (data, enterprise, or DW), Network Security, and IT Security in general. With a few certifications the newbee is getting started. A few years later with a little bit of experience he or she can write their own ticket.
A degree is ok. A certification is KING (did I say that before?) Usually the first thing a person gets after a degree is a certification if the field is IT related. Now you can throw all those comments out the door if you are talking about engineering, e.g. medical, chemical, civil, electrical, nuclear, etc. In those career paths, a degree is the first step.
Good times of doing super cool stuff and getting paid well are ahead!
 

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I've worked in Tech for almost 30 years. Prior to that, I did technical recruitment for a fortune 50 company. What was true then, is true today if you are speaking of IT type of Tech. CERTIFICATIONS are KING KING KING. Here's the deal with a 4 year degree (I have a 4 year and two masters so I'm not against it), by the time a person graduates after 4 years much of what they learned in year one is getting obsolete. here are some great career paths....each of which are somewhat easy to navigate between when one is rising up the latter. Developer (only as an entry point --- stay away from things like Web Development as those are a dime a dozen), Network Engineer, DBA, DA, Architect (data, enterprise, or DW), Network Security, and IT Security in general. With a few certifications the newbee is getting started. A few years later with a little bit of experience he or she can write their own ticket.
A degree is ok. A certification is KING (did I say that before?) Usually the first thing a person gets after a degree is a certification if the field is IT related. Now you can throw all those comments out the door if you are talking about engineering, e.g. medical, chemical, civil, electrical, nuclear, etc. In those career paths, a degree is the first step.
Good times of doing super cool stuff and getting paid well are ahead!

My son in law went to Perry Tech and received an Associate of Applied Science which took two years. He went to work as an IT for a large company and after a couple of years went to work for a bigger company where he is now the head IT and making a really good income with full benefits. My brother in law went to Perry Tech and did the same program decades ago and is an engineer at Intel doing very well. We have a few other shirt tail relatives that went through the Perry Tech programs for IT, Instrumentation , HVAC and Electrician. The IT and Instrumentation programs seem to provide the better pay with the large companies, imo.

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I've worked in Tech for almost 30 years. Prior to that, I did technical recruitment for a fortune 50 company. What was true then, is true today if you are speaking of IT type of Tech. CERTIFICATIONS are KING KING KING. Here's the deal with a 4 year degree (I have a 4 year and two masters so I'm not against it), by the time a person graduates after 4 years much of what they learned in year one is getting obsolete. here are some great career paths....each of which are somewhat easy to navigate between when one is rising up the latter. Developer (only as an entry point --- stay away from things like Web Development as those are a dime a dozen), Network Engineer, DBA, DA, Architect (data, enterprise, or DW), Network Security, and IT Security in general. With a few certifications the newbee is getting started. A few years later with a little bit of experience he or she can write their own ticket.
A degree is ok. A certification is KING (did I say that before?) Usually the first thing a person gets after a degree is a certification if the field is IT related. Now you can throw all those comments out the door if you are talking about engineering, e.g. medical, chemical, civil, electrical, nuclear, etc. In those career paths, a degree is the first step.
Good times of doing super cool stuff and getting paid well are ahead!
I'm going to disagree - though of course it varies. Most tech people I've talked to see certs (and certs only) as huge red flags of "IT Bootcamps" where people can (maybe) pass a test but have no idea how to actually do the job. The last place I talked to that cared about certs was "The Geek Squad" - not exactly a career highlight.

But this is also why I mentioned it really depends on where you want to work - none of the places I'm talking about is Fortune 50. I have way more working for a university or non silicon valley start up - so what a hiring person is looking for varies wildly with where you want to work. TBH, no one who actually works in tech (that I've ever talked to before, including in person and online) takes a degree or cert as meaning anything. So you could actually come in straight out of highschool at some places - IF you have a project portfolio or internships or some proof of experience. That said, many many many mid range / mid location companies still use the HR filter of Bachelor's degree to get seen by a person.

So... again ... figure out at least vaguely if you want to move to Silicon Valley or NYC or something and try and work there with a Google or Fortune 50, or with a start-up, or in IT at a mid company, or in Higher Ed, etc... And this is just if you want to do traditional Internal or Cloud IT for a single company.

The worst part of course is - at least 50% of your career IMO is going to end up luck of what sort of education you have, what company hires you first, and what career path that sends you down.
 

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Thanks to all who have replied! I've passed all of them along to the neighbor who was inquiring for his son.
 

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end up luck of what sort of education you have, what company hires you first, and what career path that sends you down
That is not luck. The main movers and the right levers may not be 100% obvious, but it is easy to remove it from "luck".
 

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Here is the AI Google generated answer. As mentioned, the student's guidance counselor would be a better source of information. "Tech" is far too broad to determine the "best" school.

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Caltech engineering? Something must have changed. I applied to Caltech. A Caltech assistant prof showed up at my HS in MA on a cold February (I think it was) day. Cold. Caltech guy was wearing surfer-dude clothes, incl open-toe sandals. He looked like a cross between Weird Al Yancovich & that guy ?Spiccoli? in that movie ...
?Ridgemont High?. He mad quite an impression in the lobby and the principal's office. He interviewed me. After about 15 minutes, he said

"Sounds like you want to do engineering?" I agreed.
He looked down his nose and said "Caltech doesn't do engineering. We have some Applied Science, but not engineering. We don't give Engineering degrees. (foreshadowing the guy "Leonard" on The Big Bang Theory).

I wonder if that changed or if AI is just wrong about another thing in the never-ending list of things these AI bots get dead wrong. AI sound SUPER intelligent if you ask it only things you don't know much about. Ask the bots about things you know really well. LMAO. Anyway, Engineering is most definitely not a "focus" of Caltech.
 

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Caltech engineering? Something must have changed. I applied to Caltech. A Caltech assistant prof showed up at my HS in MA on a cold February (I think it was) day. Cold. Caltech guy was wearing surfer-dude clothes, incl open-toe sandals. He looked like a cross between Weird Al Yancovich & that guy ?Spiccoli? in that movie ...
?Ridgemont High?. He mad quite an impression in the lobby and the principal's office. He interviewed me. After about 15 minutes, he said

"Sounds like you want to do engineering?" I agreed.
He looked down his nose and said "Caltech doesn't do engineering. We have some Applied Science, but not engineering. We don't give Engineering degrees. (foreshadowing the guy "Leonard" on The Big Bang Theory).

I wonder if that changed or if AI is just wrong about another thing in the never-ending list of things these AI bots get dead wrong. AI sound SUPER intelligent if you ask it only things you don't know much about. Ask the bots about things you know really well. LMAO. Anyway, Engineering is most definitely not a "focus" of Caltech.

The question was "tech," as in "California Institute of Technology." :) There was no mention of engineering in the initial question.

I only created the AI list to show how such a broad question would give an equally broad result.
 

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broad question would give an equally broad result
and the cherry on top being that "Technology" is such an interesting word. Being a geek from way-back, I sometimes go down the rabbit hole when I hear people use the word in questionable ways. Sometimes it is defined far too broadly, but other times far too narrowly. Example: here is the 1st sentence from wikipedia's page on "Technology". "Technology is the application of conceptual knowledge to achieve practical goals, especially in a reproducible way."
Do they think they could be more broad?
And then many people narrow it way down to "digital stuff".
 

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I've worked in Tech for almost 30 years. Prior to that, I did technical recruitment for a fortune 50 company. What was true then, is true today if you are speaking of IT type of Tech. CERTIFICATIONS are KING KING KING. Here's the deal with a 4 year degree (I have a 4 year and two masters so I'm not against it), by the time a person graduates after 4 years much of what they learned in year one is getting obsolete. here are some great career paths....each of which are somewhat easy to navigate between when one is rising up the latter...
I was working as an infrastructure engineer for a start-up that had a hard paper ceiling. We knew that the job could be done by an experienced non-degreed technician, but we were forced to hire a candidate with a degree.
 

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From the page "Caltech division of engineering and applied science"

Undergraduate EAS students can pursue one of the following options (majors): applied physics, applied and computational mathematics, computer science, electrical engineering, engineering and applied science, materials science, mechanical engineering

 

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"Sounds like you want to do engineering?" I agreed.
He looked down his nose and said "Caltech doesn't do engineering. We have some Applied Science, but not engineering. We don't give Engineering degrees. (foreshadowing the guy "Leonard" on The Big Bang Theory).
When I chose my program at Purdue, the school was AE&ES - Aeronautical Engineering & Engineering Science. The next year, Engineering Science was moved to Interdisciplinary Engineering and the school became A&AE - Aeronautical & Astronautical Engineering. I was initially drawn to Engineering Science but decided against it because the career prospects for Engineering Science (Interdisciplinary Engineering) was not as well defined as other branches of engineering.
 
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Here is the AI Google generated answer. As mentioned, the student's guidance counselor would be a better source of information. "Tech" is far too broad to determine the "best" school.

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My oldest went to RPI. He is doing really well. That was an expensive place at the time (20 percent or so was covered by grants and scholarship, the rest fell on us) and likely still is. Meanwhile the school president (or what ever her title was) was one of the highest paid in the country while the school had a reputation of not giving money to its students.
 
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