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Governor Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

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Another unsurprising statistic is that 96% of those hospitalized in recent days have underlying health issues, things like cancer, asthma and diabetes, that can make COVID-19 more severe. Three in four new patients were 51 or older.“

 

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I'm sure all those people were really SIP. Believe that?
By saying that, more harm then good was probably done, many will now not sip thinking what is the point.
 

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By saying that, more harm then good was probably done, many will now not sip thinking what is the point.
Do you notice all the people paying attention to the news at night? They are on their own, don't give a crap what the "Experts" say. DO WHAT YOU WANT! Then there's that then vs than problem.
 

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By saying that, more harm then good was probably done, many will now not sip thinking what is the point.

On the contrary, this made me question whether the virus is much more contagious than I previously thought and whether it could indeed be transmitted through groceries and other items, assuming it is true these people really were not going out at all. I am skeptical that they stayed at home 100% of the time but it still made me question whether it would be better to never go out at all.
 

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And at some level it makes me feel as if I'm actually don't something proactive, though the actual increment of protection might be infinitesimal. And it isn't as if I don't have a bit more available time lately.
And you know what? Positive frame of mind makes a difference too-especially if it helps you feel more in control. There are lots of reasons for taking care of your emotional health. And I wouldn't doubt that feeling better about your situation makes your body stronger too-there is some really fascinating studies on biofeedback and pain control-your mind is a wondrous thing.
IF this were actually happening, then it should be turned on the shamers. Hasn't everyone in the country been allowed to fetch food and medicine all through this?? Was outside exercise actively discouraged, and punishable?
It was all over twitter from the "checkmarks" to "stay the **** home" and "stay the **** inside"-like seriously stay INSIDE. And people were posting pictures. Another reason why I quit most social media-twitter 'celebrity' taking it upon themselves to be the judge and jury of others actions. It seemed like if you weren't wearing scrubs that proclaimed you were ESSENTIAL then there was a chance you were gonna get called out. Also why I just didn't get closing parks, playgrounds, lakes, beaches etc. 99% of those "OMG people are crowding" photos to get a click were purposely shot to look far worse than they were. I am blessed with nearly 3/4 of an acre and large house-people in NYC living in what is equivalent of my living room/kitchen area AND cramming more than one person in there? Yeah I do not blame them for wanting to get out.
 

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I agree that it could be the air / ventilation systems in the densely populated apartments as well as the piping/sewer gases in these buildings. Opening windows and letting the old air out and fresh air in is always a good thing.
 

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And you know what? Positive frame of mind makes a difference too-especially if it helps you feel more in control. There are lots of reasons for taking care of your emotional health. And I wouldn't doubt that feeling better about your situation makes your body stronger too-there is some really fascinating studies on biofeedback and pain control-your mind is a wondrous thing.
It was all over twitter from the "checkmarks" to "stay the **** home" and "stay the **** inside"-like seriously stay INSIDE. And people were posting pictures. Another reason why I quit most social media-twitter 'celebrity' taking it upon themselves to be the judge and jury of others actions. It seemed like if you weren't wearing scrubs that proclaimed you were ESSENTIAL then there was a chance you were gonna get called out. Also why I just didn't get closing parks, playgrounds, lakes, beaches etc. 99% of those "OMG people are crowding" photos to get a click were purposely shot to look far worse than they were. I am blessed with nearly 3/4 of an acre and large house-people in NYC living in what is equivalent of my living room/kitchen area AND cramming more than one person in there? Yeah I do not blame them for wanting to get out.
I don't do social media, so I missed all that. No idea what you're talking about with checkmarks.

So far as I know, nobody was prevented from leaving home to fetch groceries or meds. Nobody. Not in the USA, but possibly in other countries. We were absolutely Not locked down. I saw locked down on tv in other countries. We did not do that. Not At All. There were other "allowed" comings and goings, too. Some places had curfews, but nobody was restricted to their home, even the quarantined didn't seem to have a guardian. It was pretty fast and loose here. Not everyone took it seriously. We didn't have police stopping cars, nobody asked to see my papers or ask why I was out of my house. Nobody at the grocery had any sense of alarm that people were there. So, I really don't get the uptight whateverisms.

I've left home so few times, that anyone trying to "shame me" can just stick it. There is a really good chance that I have been out and about far less than them. I was early to it, too, I started creating distance in mid Feb.

I have an annoying sister. So I just don't seek her out or pay much attention to what she says. I guess I have done the same with social media, only, I didn't need to try it, first. It always sounded like an annoying sister that I didn't need to pay any attention to. Gee, maybe I've been shamed and didn't know it....
 

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Whatever others want to do to feel safe is ok by me.

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This is my favorite quote of the week. Pretty well reflects my position. Many are restricting visits with family members. If all have been observing SIP, where is the danger? With Mother's Day tomorrow I have heard a variety of plans. Many are more restrictive than what I perceive as necessary. Bottom line, each one of us can draw out our own circles for our personal space. I'm not going to intrude/invade without an invitation. I'm not going to tell you whether you should or shouldn't.

Likewise, I would appreciate the freedom to do what I feel is okay, under current guidelines.
 

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By saying that, more harm then good was probably done, many will now not sip thinking what is the point.
THAN good, and who cares what i said. The people will continue to ROAM AT WILL!
 

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THAN good, and who cares what i said. The people will continue to ROAM AT WILL!
I was talking about the governors comment
 

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Not everyone is going to take the same precautions and that's okay. Whatever they are comfortable with/their risk. It's a chance someone is taking.

Cuomo is talking about people who are not working/essential workers/out there every day - taking mass transit, busses, etc.

There are many of us at home. Picking up RX. Grocery store here is every two weeks. I have only gone with my husband twice since mid March and we split up. He does produce and meat and I hit the rest of the aisles/stores. Last week we did go to Home Depot at 6 am. No doctor appointments, no transportation - have our own cars - we are not in the "city". We go out for walks once or twice a day weather permitting. With a mask around our neck. We don't need one where we walk. We see someone, we go in the street, go across the street, etc. We go early enough and we are not in the "city".

We talk to the neighbors but are more than 6 feet apart. We have passed by the kids and stayed for 20-30 minutes outside - keeping our distance. We wipe down with lysol wipes, wash fruits and most of the vegetables, counter, etc. as soon as we get home. Gloves, masks. We have gone to the bank drive-through once and once inside the bank - with gloves/masks. Not everyone I know goes to the same extremes. I have a neighbor who for a while went to the store with no gloves or masks. Of course since recently he has been required to wear one but won't wear gloves. He says when he gets it, he gets it.

It's hard to do 100% no matter how much ones tries. We are at risk every time we step out of our home.

Now this week, we have been out there a bit more. I had to pick up a prescription at the doctor's office (mask on of course). I will be going to Quest soon. My husband gave in and went to the chiropractor last week. My dil will be going back to work in the doctor's office middle of the month - I will start babysitting my grandson. I plan on re-scheduling my April cancelled appt. on 5/18. Not sure when I will get in, but I am making one. I think people could be slacking off, not taking extreme/same precautions when they started, became exposed to someone in their family that is an essential worker, etc.

Who knows. Some people who got it might not have been honest telling their doctors/hospitals where they were/what they were doing.

I don't believe and don't know what to believe anymore - I have heard we will get sick as soon as we go out if we have been living in a bubble the last three months.

I have heard and read that many cases that were "probable" COVID - are marked as COVID on death certificates and that Medicare pays out $13,000 vs. $3,000 and $39,000 if on ventilator.

Same with they don't know if we are immune to it if we get it, wear a mask, don't wear a mask, they don't know how long it survives on a surfaces, etc. etc. In the end, what is my level of being comfortable and risk level.

I definitely do not listen to the news as much as I did - I am trying to limit it to a few minutes early and later on the day. Not much on FB.

One last thing, I have started to mark my calendar on places I go to and if I saw anyone - if one of us gets sick, I know exactly where I went, who I/we came into some sort of contact with. It's not that often I have a notation on my calendar but doing it anyway.
 

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Very few people are total shut ins (except the poor souls in nursing homes where in the majority of states there are the most deaths from this plague) so the governor is being disingenuous because people (and/or people in their households) still go out to the store or gas station or take a walk or whatever.

No one is completely at home.
 

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....I have heard we will get sick as soon as we go out if we have been living in a bubble the last three months.

That is fear-mongering, to be ignored, and the kind of thing that pisses me off - nobody should be spreading more fear like that. This crap is scary enough without piling on. It's plain ole mean.

We are receiving both extremes - deadly in a moment vs no big deal. As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but, nobody really knows. That is the hell of it, we don't even know what we don't know. As time goes on, we will know more, but, even new knowledge stands to be overturned by even newer knowledge... so, keep the salt shaker handy. Most everything should be viewed with skepticism, pending eventual proof or dismissal.

I am concerned/curious on this "kid problem", tho. Is it going to turn out to be a viral load issue, where it is usually dense population/full household situations? We are lucky it is not yet many kids, but unlucky, as that is a very small sample size from which to even form hunches to run, but, someone is figuring out the commonalities. Fast, please, as there are already deaths from it.

Aside from this being a scary development, because it impacts Kids, it also has serious ramifications for School. I guess we all wait and see if this is dense-population related, or, everywhere. But, I will do my part to not spread fear, and continue to read as much as possible and seek out those researchers.

Good luck to us all.
 

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Do you notice all the people paying attention to the news at night? They are on their own, don't give a crap what the "Experts" say. DO WHAT YOU WANT! Then there's that then vs than problem.

"then vs than problem"? :eek: Don't we have enough to worry about?
 

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No idea what you're talking about with checkmarks.
I'm sorry I didn't explain-if your account has a "checkmark" by the name it means you are who you say you are and has been verified-for instance if a reporter is on there if he really is who he says he is he gets a check.
We didn't have police stopping cars,
But we did in some areas, issuing fines in other areas, roadblocks. Some areas definitely stricter than others.
I've left home so few times, that anyone trying to "shame me" can just stick it
I agree!! But as with any mob mentality people will pile on-take for instance-the pictures of the "crowded" California beaches-omg the vitriol! When it turns out it was shot with a lens that compressed the picture and wasn't accurate.
I am concerned/curious on this "kid problem",
The "new" inflammatory syndrome? It is still rare, not all kids even tested positive for CV19, and it's not "new"-the syndrome has been described as early as the 1990's, although it was first seen in Japanese children in 1960's. No one knows what really triggers it but a viral illness appears to be a risk factor. But leave it to the media to say it's "new". Thankfully it is still really rare.
 

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The "new" inflammatory syndrome? It is still rare, not all kids even tested positive for CV19, and it's not "new"-the syndrome has been described as early as the 1990's, although it was first seen in Japanese children in 1960's. No one knows what really triggers it but a viral illness appears to be a risk factor. But leave it to the media to say it's "new". Thankfully it is still really rare.
But it is suddenly Not rare! That's the issue for me. It is "new" as a potential consequence of cv19, and also "new" as a pandemic concern for children, while it was old folks and those with pre-existing problems that had previously been at biggest risk.

I forget what the name of it was, but, yes, there have been doctors out there talking about 'we've seen this before'.
 

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cop stops - yes, you're right - I forgot about the very first I heard of, the young lady in PA, I think it was.

I don't count dispersing a crowd as same thing, but, you are right, cops have not been inactive. I guess it's that around here, they're too busy with murderers, drunk drivers, and people somehow crashing into buildings (sober!)...
 

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cop stops - yes, you're right - I forgot about the very first I heard of, the young lady in PA, I think it was.

I don't count dispersing a crowd as same thing, but, you are right, cops have not been inactive. I guess it's that around here, they're too busy with murderers, drunk drivers, and people somehow crashing into buildings (sober!)...
Same here in Detroit, there busy with the usual suspects, drug dealers, murders drunks domestic violence and more.
 

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people who would classify themselves as “staying home” and only going out for “essentials”. The first pic is people getting to go adult beverages from bars service to go alcohol. Hanging out on the sidewalk in clusters. The second pic is people seeing the blue angels fly over.

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I guess it's that around here, they're too busy with murderers, drunk drivers, and people somehow crashing into buildings (sober!)...
Oh my goodness!!
yeah the thing with the kids is "new" as a complication (maybe) of CV19, however I'd be really surprised that pediatric doctors that have worked through bad influenza seasons and have seen this before are actually shocked that it is showing up with CV19; They may be dismayed and disappointed, but I'd doubt shock or surprise.
 

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I think it's good to remember the shelter in place wasn't never about reducing COVID-19 morbidity (the number of people infected) - it was about flattening the curve so that health facilities would not be overwhelmed. Under that rationale, the rate at which "reopening" occurs should be tied to the ability of health care facilities to manage the resulting caseload, not toward reducing the total caseload. If authorities are going to say that we need to maintain SIP programs to prevent total numbers of infections, that's a change in course.

In many areas the measures have done what they were intended to accomplish; the peaks have passed, and the health care systems are not inundated. But yet restrictive measures are maintained, while the rhetoric about sheltering in place, and other measures, has shifted. There is no longer talk about "flattening the curve" - it's now about preventing infection. We shouldn't be surprised if a significant segment of the population might feel as if public health agencies are doing a bait-and-switch.
 

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The message from all official from federal to state to city is confusing. Educating people on the importance of what needs to be done as we move forward imo is a failure. The curve is flattened, but the virus is still with us and in areas where restrictive measures have been lifted many are acting like the virus is gone for good. Just as quick as the curve flattened it can go up and once again our health care system can be in jeopardy being inundated.
 

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When you look at the chart, home is a broad category which includes all of us who are not in nursing homes, assisted living facilities, not in jail, not homeless and not church. It does not mean that people who strictly stay at home. BS news is what I would call this.
 
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