Governor Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

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Governor Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

Cuomo says it's 'shocking' most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.

www.cnbc.com

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.

He also said a majority of the cases in New York City are minorities, with nearly half being African American or Hispanic.

“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” he added. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.

The link contains a video of what Governor Cuomo at his press conference discussing this.

The Governor didn't offer an explanation and said: “Much of this comes down to what you do to protect yourself. Everything is closed down, government has done everything it could, society has done everything it could. Now it’s up to you,” Cuomo said.

This study covers the period after the NY Covid-19 wave peaked. This study has Darwinian overtones.
Overall, some 73% of the admissions were people over age 51.
It was be interesting to break down the patients not only by race, but also by class.
I'm not suggesting this study means that stay at home was not necessary.
I think it means that you can't isolate yourself completely for an extended period, especially
when you live in apartments, and/or a densely populated area.

 

[bluehende]

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why bother

 

[buzglyd]

The numbers aren’t dumb. Being shocked by them is dumb.

 

[bbodb1]

How can one be isolated in NYC?
These numbers must be interpreted in that light.

If anything, a lesson COVID 19 is trying to teach us is living in dense population clusters is going to have negative health consequences.

 

[Passepartout]

The numbers are what the numbers are. You can either come to your own conclusions drawn from them or accept the conclusions of others.

 

[Panina]

I have a neighbor who says she isolates at home so she can’t give it to anyone.

Meanwhile, she walks the neighborhood without a mask, which could be ok. I have noticed her on numerous occasions within a foot or two talking to neighbors, all without masks, not ok. Oh and she went to the block party Thursday too.

I would be interested what questions were asked. The question Do you work? Do you use public transportation? Do you self isolate? If those are the questions the data is wrong.

The questions that need to be asked
Have you been out of your home?
Have you spoken to neighbors in person? With or without mask?
Did you go to a store or doctor?
Do you live in an apartment building with elevator and/or laundry room? Did you wear mask, wash hands after using?
Did anyone visit you in your home?
Etc......

 

[WVBaker]

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You don't plead, “If you don’t have a health care crisis in your community, please come help us in New York, now,”

Of course, some 21,000 health care workers from coast to coast rushed in to aid New York. When doing so the nation was told, “These are beautiful, generous people,” “.... and New Yorkers will return the favor.”

So how might you ask, do the gracious powers that be, return the favor? How are these, “... beautiful, generous people” thanked?

All out-of-state medical personnel who earned wages back home while volunteering their talents for at least 14 days must pay New York state tax on such income.
Oh yea, Albany also expects full compliance with its dense tax paperwork.

“We’re not in a position to provide any subsidies right now because we have a $13 billion deficit”, and “We are in dire financial need.”

 

[Pathways]

living in dense population clusters is going to have negative health consequences

Spreading out. No ride sharing. Stay off public transportation. All the PPE being burned. Restaurants opening using all disposable utensils. 100% of restaurants in many states (and around the world) using all disposable food trays.

I am quite concerned for the mental health of certain Swedish teenagers. Well, I guess she might be happy about all the oil currently being saved.

(Oh, but wait, I did get my take out order with a paper straw the other day)

 

[Panina]

You don't plead, “If you don’t have a health care crisis in your community, please come help us in New York, now,”

Of course, some 21,000 health care workers from coast to coast rushed in to aid New York. When doing so the nation was told, “These are beautiful, generous people,” “.... and New Yorkers will return the favor.”

So how might you ask, do the gracious powers that be, return the favor? How are these, “... beautiful, generous people” thanked?

All out-of-state medical personnel who earned wages back home while volunteering their talents for at least 14 days must pay New York state tax on such income.
Oh yea, Albany also expects full compliance with its dense tax paperwork.

“We’re not in a position to provide any subsidies right now because we have a $13 billion deficit”, and “We are in dire financial need.”

The crisis is not over and can escalate again at any time. Short sighted thinking. Those workers might be needed again.

 

[rickandcindy23]

People still need groceries, and even if you pick them up and have them put directly into your trunk, there are opportunities for germs to linger. We have to decide if eating is worth it. Just joking, of course. We have to eat. And those trips to Costco are not all that safe. You touch something another person just touched, and you have to hope no one in the store has the virus. It is highly contagious.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

How can one be isolated in NYC?
These numbers must be interpreted in that light.

If anything, a lesson COVID 19 is trying to teach us is living in dense population clusters is going to have negative health consequences.

The only people who are learning that lesson are those who have failed to learn the lessons of history.

Living in dense population clusters has always had negative health consequences, at least as regards infections. The plague. Typhoid. Cholera. Flus. Retrovirus. Ebola. Infectious diseases have always struck most heavily in dense population clusters.

IMHO, people who haven't learned that by now aren't likely to be taught that lesson by COVID-19.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

People still need groceries, and even if you pick them up and have them put directly into your trunk, there are opportunities for germs to linger. We have to decide if eating is worth it. Just joking, of course. We have to eat. And those trips to Costco are not all that safe. You touch something another person just touched, and you have to hope no one in the store has the virus. It is highly contagious.

When we come home with groceries we create a clean area and disinfect our hands and arms. We separate the food into perishables and non-perishables. The non-perishables go into a minimum 48-hour quarantine before we do anything with them. They don't even leave the bag they are in. Also all bags are single use bags, provided by the store.

As for perishable items, if they are packaged, the packaging is cleaned with a disinfecting solution, then rinsed well. Perishable items that don't have packaging, or that have packaging that won't stand up to a disinfectant spray, get washed in a sink with a healthy amount of dish detergent, then are rinsed with tap water.

If it isn't possible to put a food item through those protocols, then we don't buy it.

When I'm in a store, I wear disposable gloves while shopping., and I discard them when I leave.

The stores we patronize do not allow patrons to bring anything into the store with them from outside, except a handbag. Customers are not allowed to bring their own packaging into the store - all packaging is single use packaging provided by the store. Workers are not allowed to touch anything that has been in contact with a customer, except the food items themselves at the cashier's station, and the cashiers wear gloves.

 

[MrockStar]

The crisis is not over and can escalate again at any time. Short sighted thinking. Those workers might be needed again.

I was one of those extremely brave and selfless healthcare workers i would volunteer somewhere ELSE, next time.

 

[rickandcindy23]

The virus has caused a whole lot of disinfecting. That is just strange, but may become the norm for most of us.

 

[Monykalyn]

How can one be isolated in NYC?
These numbers must be interpreted in that light.

If anything, a lesson COVID 19 is trying to teach us is living in dense population clusters is going to have negative health consequences.

Right? Oh and people were socially shamed if they dared step foot out of their crowded small recirculated air apartments as well. How dare they breathe FRESH air instead of the recirculated air of the hundreds who lived in the same building.

As for perishable items, if they are packaged, the packaging is cleaned with a disinfecting solution, then rinsed well. Perishable items that don't have packaging, or that have packaging that won't stand up to a disinfectant spray, get washed in a sink with a healthy amount of dish detergent, then are rinsed with tap water.

If it isn't possible to put a food item through those protocols, then we don't buy it.

I've not done a single one of those things. Simple handwashing before and after handling items is sufficient. The virus isn't going to leap from the surface and attack you-you have to carry it from there to a mucous membrane.
Oh and I have backyard chickens too-and never have any of us come down with salmonella-in spite of the doomsayers who predicted we'd be "sick all the time" from handling our hens. We wash our hands. Don't touch face or mouth etc until hands are clean, and no eating until hands scrubbed.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

I've not done a single one of those things. Simple handwashing before and after handling items is sufficient. The virus isn't going to leap from the surface and attack you-you have to carry it from there to a mucous membrane.
Oh and I have backyard chickens too-and never have any of us come down with salmonella-in spite of the doomsayers who predicted we'd be "sick all the time" from handling our hens. We wash our hands. Don't touch face or mouth etc until hands are clean, and no eating until hands scrubbed.

That's one option. On the other hand, I don't want to fell as if I need to wash my hands every time I touch something that might be contaminated, so that I don't pick it up and transfer it to a mucous membrane.

And at some level it makes me feel as if I'm actually don't something proactive, though the actual increment of protection might be infinitesimal. And it isn't as if I don't have a bit more available time lately.

 

[geekette]

...Right? Oh and people were socially shamed if they dared step foot out of their crowded small recirculated air apartments as well. How dare they breathe FRESH air instead of the recirculated air of the hundreds who lived in the same building.

IF this were actually happening, then it should be turned on the shamers. Hasn't everyone in the country been allowed to fetch food and medicine all through this?? Was outside exercise actively discouraged, and punishable?

I cannot be shamed for doing something that is not shameful. People can say what they will, that's not actually a problem for me.

 

[geekette]

....I've not done a single one of those things. Simple handwashing before and after handling items is sufficient. The virus isn't going to leap from the surface and attack you-you have to carry it from there to a mucous membrane.

I don't do the sanitizing or quarantining of my groceries, either. No corona so far. While I did not have a stockpile of wipes or hand sanitizer when this started, I have not needed to buy more. Soap and water have worked for me.

I think being IN the store, sharing air, is more harmful than any of the packages I bring home. It's not like I'm licking the outside of the cookie box or rubbing the TP package on my face. I always wash produce before I use it but have not started cleaning banana or orange skin.

Whatever others want to do to feel safe is ok by me. I have yet to do delivery or curbside for groceries. I will leave those services for those that need or want them more than I do.

It would indeed be a surprise to me if I came down with this creeping crud, but, I have been in stores a few times. And brought goods home, so my risk is not 0.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Was outside exercise actively discouraged, and punishable?

Good point: Recirculating air in apartment buildings may be a cause for this. Similar to what happened on the cruise ships. There was also an apartment in China that had issues like this.

FWIW...We have been encouraged as part of California SIP to go outside and exercise as long as we socially distance - no masks required unless we will be close to people. I am not sure of the NY policy.

 

[geekette]

Good point: Recirculating air in apartment buildings may be a cause for this. Similar to what happened on the cruise ships. There was also an apartment in China that had issues like this.

FWIW...We have been encouraged as part of California SIP to go outside and exercise as long as we socially distance - no masks required unless we will be close to people. I am not sure of the NY policy.

NY closed some streets to vehicles so pedestrians could get exercise.

 

[GrayFal]

Governor Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

Cuomo says it's 'shocking' most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.

www.cnbc.com

Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.

He also said a majority of the cases in New York City are minorities, with nearly half being African American or Hispanic.

“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” he added. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.

The link contains a video of what Governor Cuomo at his press conference discussing this.

The Governor didn't offer an explanation and said: “Much of this comes down to what you do to protect yourself. Everything is closed down, government has done everything it could, society has done everything it could. Now it’s up to you,” Cuomo said.

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This study covers the period after the NY Covid-19 wave peaked. This study has Darwinian overtones.
Overall, some 73% of the admissions were people over age 51.
It was be interesting to break down the patients not only by race, but also by class.
I'm not suggesting this study means that stay at home was not necessary.
I think it means that you can't isolate yourself completely for an extended period, especially
when you live in apartments, and/or a densely populated area.

I have been watching Governor Cuomo every day as well and I was also surprised by the high percent of infected people who are staying at home. I think as we pass the 14 day mark of mandated masks in public places/stores/transit we will see the stay at home percentage go down.

I have been home for 7 weeks yesterday. In those 7 weeks I have gone to Stop n Shop 3 times. First time I had gloves as did the cashier. Second time I had gloves and mask, the cashier had a plexiglass shield but wasn’t wearing gloves. When I went yesterday, everyone in the store had masks on, 90 % of customers and workers had on gloves, aisles were one way only and people were social distancing.
I finally felt “safe” as everyone was following the current standards.

All those sick “stay at home“ people had to get their food from somewhere, their mail, their packages delivered, etc. So even thought they weren’t particularly going anywhere, the people who were providing them with those services passed the Covid 19 virus to them. Now that there are increased protective gear required for all in NY, We can hope that those numbers will go down.

 

[TravelTime]

The article just says they were admitted from home. It does not say they were home 24/7. Specifically, the article says: “Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.“ The article also says: “It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home.” Key words: “not venturing out much” and “largely staying at home.”

I suspect this article was written in a way to sensationalize the findings. This article makes it seem like the virus can get you even with no contact with other human beings.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Lots of shared spaces in NYC. They could have picked it up in the mailroom, laundry room, elevator or lobby.

 

[GrayFal]

The article just says they were admitted from home. It does not say they were home 24/7. Specifically, the article says: “Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.“ The article also says: “It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home.” Key words: “not venturing out much” and “largely staying at home.”

I suspect this article was written in a way to sensationalize the findings. This article makes it seem like the virus can get you even with no contact with other human beings.

I have been watching the governor each day. If taken in context it is just surprising that more of the cases aren’t from people who are out there. Postal workers Store clerks Delivery people.
I would be very surprised if I got it because I am one of those people who have been mostly home. Only going out for necessities. I got gas yesterday. The guy pumped it for me. I had a Mask on and passed the money out the window with a gloved hand. I leave packages on the front porch for 24 hours. I wipe down all my groceries with Lysol wipes.
If I get it, I would be one of those people the governor was referencing

 

[GrayFal]

Lots of shared spaces in NYC. They could have picked it up in the mailroom, laundry room, elevator or lobby.

The numbers quoted were not only NYC, it was all of NY State. But this is very true of NYC. Most people I know who live in tbd city and have an option to leave the city have done so just because of what you stated. NYC has almost 20% positive for antibodies Long Island where I am has 18%. Unbelievable.