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Gig workers to get unemployment

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Seems wrong if they never paid in. Force the companies to pay it as they are worth billons. They should be entitled to money just like ever other tax payer but not unemployment.

Student loans no interest and these months of no payment qualify for the federal forgiveness problem. Hard for people to get ahead when money gets given out. How high with the debt and taxes rise?
 

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This stimulus package is to take care of Americans, the people and the businesses. It is about making sure people have money to live on and regardless of what they worked as and whether unemployment insurance was ever paid into the sytem. It is more about saving lives and keeping people off the streets. Businesses bailout is also critical because there are no jobs when the businesses close down. I am glad the stimulus package is passed at the Senate level. I hope the House does the same thing quickly.
 

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Employees do not pay into unemployment . Employers pays into the FUTA .
 

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No doubt they need help but so do a lot of people. Hope gill fully after this gig workers and self employed pay into unemployment or they want it when things get bad.
 

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Jobless claims soars to a record 3.2 million. The so-called automated UIS filing system cannot handler this. It is going to crash.IMO.

Remember there is no walk in traffic.

I pray that Congress deposits/transfer (Dept of Labor) enough monies in each state UIS account ASAP. To cover administrative costs, DIT, and personnel costs.
 
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Employees do not pay into unemployment . Employers pays into the FUTA .
Correct. The issue is that many of these gig workers should be employees and not independent contractors and the courts have spoken, but UBER and LYFT are still resisting and still treating them as independent contractors. Did I say we don't ever use UBER and LYFT?
 

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Actually they pay taxes twice. Once as an employer and once as an employee. They have to file taxes as their own company and many are incorporated or LLC because larger companies whom they work for won't hire 1099 sole proprietors anymore.
 

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Actually they pay taxes twice. Once as an employer and once as an employee. They have to file taxes as their own company and many are incorporated or LLC because larger companies whom they work for won't hire 1099 sole proprietors anymore.
They do pay FICA twice but they don't pay into Unemployment insurance.
 

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So it goes into a different bucket but still USA. They are still paying more taxes than the average employee.
 
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Independent contractors is a whole difference ballgame depending on what state you are filing your taxes.
 

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These "gig" workers will probably spend every penny from unemployment and that will recirculate back into the economy which is a good thing.
 

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So it goes into a different bucket but still USA. They are still paying more taxes than the average employee.
FICA covers their Social Security and Medicare so the money directly goes back to the person. I have no issue with gig workers. The issue is all these companies who pretend that they are not the employers and dodge UI and Workers Compensation insurance and rip profits off the gig workers.
 

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I agree, "gig" workers deserve some unemployment proceeds - and yes, many companies pay people as "independent contractors" to avoid paying unemployment and other taxes
 

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FICA covers their Social Security and Medicare so the money directly goes back to the person. I have no issue with gig workers. The issue is all these companies who pretend that they are not the employers and dodge UI and Workers Compensation insurance and rip profits off the gig workers.
I wouldn't say they are ripping them off. Gig workers voluntarily enter in to an agreement with the company to provide a service. It gives them flexibility to drive for several different companies. Many who drive for Lyft also drive for Uber, Grubhub, Instacart, etc. Make them an employee and the company can now dictate who they can or can't work for. Many gig workers like the flexibility of making their own hours and deciding how much or how little they want to earn. The gig worker really owns and operates their own business. Work hard and some of them can make a pretty good salary. Make them work for a single company and they may make minimum wage. If the 1099 worker doesn't like the arrangement, they can end it at any time.

Companies certainly have taken advantage of the 1099 system, but those are the laws on the books (except in CA now). Of course, everyone wants everything cheap. There is a reason Uber is cheaper than a taxi. Mandate that the companies pay certain taxes for the 1099 employee and they simply pass the costs on to the consumer. Not saying it is right or wrong, just how it is. Some may prefer taxis, but there certainly has also been abuse of the taxi medallion system over the years too.
 

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The UIS automated filing system was never design to handle this many filing of new claims in this short period of time. Some states will need to employed retired UIS workers and this will or may caused some retirement problems for these retired states employees.

It is also my opinion some states liked New York, California, Washington and other states with large populations and high unemployment rates/ numbers Will needs to setup regional UIS Offices to handle these claims.

You can look and expect fraud case between 10-20% IMHO.

I do not know if states still employed fraud investigators to investigate fraudulent claims .
 
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Isn't this a state issue. Unemployment is handled by the State. Is this a California decision or a federal decision.
 

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UIS funds are sent down from the federal government to the states, plus Washington, DC and each state & DC administrated their Unemployment Insurance Program.

This is why weekly unemployment insurance payment are difference in all fifty states and the District of Columbia.
 
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