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Getting started, ready to buy- Help me find a good exchangable listing, sage advice welcome!

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Hi,
I'm a new member here and I'm reading as much as I can to get my base knowledge up before making a move. I'd really appreciate some input from the forum.

We are a (semi) retired couple, with two adult children, who have been traveling worldwide on miles and points for about 12 years now. "Travel Hacking" has been really good to us and allowed us to see the world at a fraction of retail pricing. There was a point where we were taking 10 or more international trips a year, but, post-Covid, I do not see traveling at that pace in the foreseeable future. Probably more like three trips a year. We prefer to travel on the shoulder season, and off season is also usually fine as long as the weather isn't too hot or rainy. We dislike peak season crowds and do our best to avoid traveling at this time. Our award flights on miles are harder to get during peak season as well.

I'm now finding that I like to move around a little less on our trips, spending more time exploring the area at a slower pace. We tend to get off the beaten path and have, until now, mostly used AirBNB or private apartments rented through Booking.com, using chain hotels only when/if we happen to be in larger cities or, most especially, at the airport. We are comfortable renting cars and self driving when that is a viable option.

I'm considering a timeshare (resale) purchase that would allow us flexibility to exchange worldwide. I'd like to hone in on a resale TS that is valuable enough for exchanges at a reasonable price point with maintence fee costs. The Point system seems easier to use than the Weeks system. RCI seems like a bigger network than II. We are San Diego based and Arizona,, Mexico and Hawaii are all desirable destinations to us, but we're also ok with owning a high value exchange unit that we don't visit and use mainly for the currency, (Grandview Las Vegas?).
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1) Is there a vacation destination you wish to visit most of the time or on a regular basis? if so where?
Hawaii every other year or so
2) Do you want to visit your home resort at least half the time, or do you want to trade more than half the time?
Trade
3) What are your 5 top trade destinations?
Prefer international options especially Europe/South America, but very flexible
4) How many people do you usually travel with - total, including yourself?
Generally 2, but sometimes 4.
5) Can you travel any time, or are you locked into the school schedule?
Anytime
6) Can you make firm plans 12 or more mos. in advance? Yes
7) Can you vacation for a full week at a time? Yes
8) What level of accommodations do you prefer on a scale of 1 to 5 stars? 3
9) How much can you afford to spend upfront, without financing? $2500
10) How much can you afford to spend every year for a maintenance fee that will come due right after Christmas, and increase each year? $1500, based on the accomodations
11) Are you a detail oriented planner? Not really
12) Do you understand that once you buy a timeshare, it may be very difficult to sell or give away, and you are responsible for all fees, until you do? Yes
 

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An inexpensive Marriott lockout unit will meet your requirements; you will trade it through Interval, primarily for other Marriott properties located where you want to go.

DO NOT buy Abound points, which although flexible, are very expensive.

Timeshares will not meet most of your travel needs -- but they don't have to in your situation.
 

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Timeshares- on the whole don't work all that well for Int'l travel, but afford great family- style accommodations in resort areas of the US, Mexico and Caribbean.
 

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Agree with @Passepartout . But, part of your description speaks to shoulder or off season. That means you could look for a biennial or triennial unit to keep maintenance fee costs down. It spreads an annual maintenance fee over 2 or 3 years.

This lets you in the door for RCI or Interval. Once in you could book last call type of units. These are 90 days or less out. Usually shoulder & off season at less cost.

It may not help with international stays but would help with others. That is if you can work with the shorter lead times.
 

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Grandview is in RCI. I am getting rid of RCI traders currently, even my RCI Points. Just FYI...
 

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Another thought for you if you are west coast based would be Worldmark. You should be able to poke around the website to see the resort locations. As noted, timeshares are difficult to get in Europe (but not impossible). I have no experience in booking in S America, but I see quite a few resorts available when searching in Interval International, which you can access through Worldmark.
 
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@rickandcindy23 , I saw that massive reset that you're doing with with your stash of TSs. Was it the RCI in particular that you felt no longer met your needs? Of course I'm dying to know why an expert would purge so many. You mentioned that they didn't meet your rental needs with their new rules, but goodness, that is a gaggle of time shares that you've got going on.

What is the plural for a large group of multiple time shares... how about a "Party" of time shares... hmmmm.... it's got a ring to it...

I'll check into the Marriott program offerings. That would be an II trade system? Are there any in particular that stand out as good trades? Give me a day or two to research and come back with more questions. I've been to Worldmark and really like them. That's a good tip, too. Akin to nothing TS related, Marriott really anihilated their hotel points program after merging with Starwood (RIP) a few years ago. The miles and points people joke about being Bonvoyed... not in a good way!

There's a biannual Grandview in the freebie section of Tug. It is a Weeks. I'm still not fully understanding the pros and cons of weeks. It seems that straight points would serve me better. Hopefully it's not bad manners to reference it here for discussion.

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BATHS
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Grandview Las Vegas
Grandview at Las Vegas - Biennial Usage - 49,000 RCI Points - FREE CLOSING

Grandview at Las Vegas | Fixed Week 14 | 1 Bedroom Unit with 1 Bathroom | Full Kitchen | Sleeps 4 | Check In/Out on Friday | 49,000 Biennial RCI Points | Odd Year Usage Available 2023 | Seller pays transfer fees and closing costs!
 

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Agree with @Passepartout on international travel not being as “travel hack” worthy using timeshares. I have found that, generally speaking, the locations internationally that do have timeshares are not the big cities and, if remote or quaint is what you’re looking for, you are often better off (cheaper) with an Airbnb, to be honest.

Regarding points, I agree that this “seems more flexible” (I personally only own points timeshares), but the problem is that Marriott points, for example, is not worth it to buy resale (vs Marriott weeks) because they charge you what we call here “junk fees” to buy points on the resale market. If I were to buy a Marriott, I’d buy a Marriott Week, never Marriott points timeshare.

Re: RCI and II (Interval International) the general consensus is that II has nicer resorts than II on average. However, the Hilton system is on RCI vs II (a few exceptions for affiliate resorts) and some of the properties people love to trade into (ie the Mexico Vidanta Grand Luxxe, Grand Bliss, Grand Mayan etc) are on both II and RCI. Marriotts are on II as is DVC (Disney which probably is not of particular interest to you with adult children). Worldmark and Wyndham are on both RCI and II but probably more on RCI in terms of volume and properties.

Let us know if you have other questions!
 
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