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Future Travel Challenges—What do you see as the new, permanent precautions being put into place?

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For the travel and leisure industry to open up again, they have to factor in so many things never deemed necessary before.

Here are just a few that are in the top of my head:
1. How do you make visitors feel safe again?
2. Do you recalibrate groups to mitigate? Ie. no crowds?
3. If you use social distancing as a norm, whose paying the added costs? For example, if airlines pull out the middle seat, this means less revenue or higher ticket prices?
4. Stats are showing people are going deeper in debt overall. Does this affect future travel dollars available?
5. Will people find prescreening before they step in a plane, enter a hotel/timeshare, a mall, a cruise liner, retail store etc. too cumbersome and intrusive? Is this even feasible?
6. Could travel itself become so risky people just stay near home?
7. Are employees coming back to work suited up, wearing head shields, face masks, rubber gloves as part of their new uniform?
8. Are timeshare units being completely sanitized and disinfected before one can check in making unit costs go way up?

In Las Vegas’ case, the casinos have a lot to think about before reopening. Here’s a short video on that topic.


What are your thoughts? What do you see changing in the travel industry permanently once travel reopens again?


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Pulling out a middle seat on an airplane would not help with social distancing that much. I can’t see that being a real solution. You really need 6’ around the seat. I will be curious to see what airlines do.

If the travel industry is going to enforce social distancing, this will require many changes that will be expensive.
- Will there be 6’ between restaurant tables?
- Will there be 6‘ between lounge chairs at the pool?
- What will happen with tour buses and taxis?
- How will hotels and resorts deal with room cleaning during the stay?
- Will registration lines have 6’ markers to enforce social distancing?
- How will Disney re-open with social distancing on the rides, lines, crowds, etc? Will Disney limit how many people can enter the park at once? Will Fast Passes become the standard in order to control crowds at the rides?
- Can we lay down at the beaches?
- Will Vegas space out the slot machines and seats at game tables?
- Will people be willing to stay in other people’s homes through AirBnB?
- Longer term, will the travel industry charge extra for “first class” services with more distance while having regular class that is closer together?

I am not thinking these will be permanent changes. I suspect once covid-19 is under control, that the travel industry and other businesses will have to revert back or suffer increased financial problems.
 
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Yes, I do see hospitality going back to packing them in at some point. However, I just read an article from Expedia saying social distancing will now be a norm. Unfortunately, this whole thing have turned many folks into germaphobes. The travel industry might just be forced into this new reality. Not to mention, capacity limits and other ordinances May remain in place.

Once thing I see as permanent is a speed up of self service options like more automated check ins. Where I see more human intervention would be employees serving you your meal at a buffet versus you serving yourself though.

One thing I read is that the Wynn in Las Vegas is considering supplying guests with required face masks and rubber gloves that they must wear while in their Casino. If they are removed by the guest, they will be escorted out by security (that are gowned up I might add)

I know a high executive with WestJet (a popular Canadian airline) and they are thinking of prescreening all guest temperatures, requiring masks, latex gloves, head shield on prior to boarding. They are considering plastic shields that rise up when you seat and lower when you stand up. They see this as better than pulling out seats. Everything is in the table.


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Yes, I do see hospitality going back to packing them in at some point. However, I just read an article from Expedia saying social distancing will now be a norm. Unfortunately, this whole thing have turned many folks into germaphobes. The travel industry might just be forced into this new reality. Not to mention, capacity limits and other ordinances May remain in place.

Once thing I see as permanent is a speed up of self service options like more automated check ins. Where I see more human intervention would be employees serving you your meal at a buffet versus you serving yourself though.

One thing I read is that the Wynn in Las Vegas is considering supplying guests with required face masks and rubber gloves that they must wear while in their Casino. If they are removed by the guest, they will be escorted out by security (that are gowned up I might add)

I know a high executive with WestJet (a popular Canadian airline) and they are thinking of prescreening all guest temperatures, requiring masks, latex gloves, head shield on prior to boarding. They are considering plastic shields that rise up when you seat and lower when you stand up. They see this as better than pulling out seats. Everything is in the table.


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I saw a photo of a bus in China (I think) and it had plastic shields around each seat.

I agree that this pandemic has created a lot of germaphobes. I would guess that the next generation of children will grow into germaphobe adults. This is all children are seeing so it will be their normal.
 

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I saw a photo of a bus in China (I think) and it had plastic shields around each seat.

I agree that this pandemic has created a lot of germaphobes. I would guess that the next generation of children will grow into germaphobe adults. This is all children are seeing so it will be their normal.

I can see it now.

Your teenage grandchildren go on a date...

Before you go:

Wear face mask, only hold hands wearing rubber gloves and be complete arms length at all times.

Wear your cool Gucci Face shield

Wear coveralls to reduce risk of contamination...

No worry about hanky panky at least...




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I know this sounds Orwellian, but I do think we are going to have to have proof that you are immune or have been vaccinated (assuming we get one) before we go back to what we are used to in terms of normalcy for travel and gatherings. I could see the airlines die off for the most part unless the government steps in. Theme parks won't open for a year or 18 months in a best case scenario.
The only hope is that we find a way to get rid of the virus like we did with polio.
 

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What I think will happen is that people will slowly adjust to the risk. More cautious people will go out in public less, and when they do spacing will be a consideration. Crowded areas will be a no-go for them. But a lot of people will continue to feel invincible and carry on as normal - until they get ill.

I agree with Big Matt that testing will be suggested and necessary, but there is a segment of society who will not tolerate that and I am not sure that the politicians will have the spine to stick to it. I absolutely agree that we need a vaccine and hope that the antivaxxers won't fight that one too, as this illness is spread so easily that the sheer volume of infection affects everything, including our economy.
 

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Collectively - WE - are still trying to figure out how to prevent the spread of Covid 19 in
meat processing plants and Nursing / Retirement Homes .

The knowledge and successes that are eventually achieved in those businesss’ will help our societies
figure out travel - sports arenas - shopping malls etc. etc.

WE have a ways to go - and our societies remain full of SILO thinking .
 

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For many I think the reality of what has to be done hasn’t been realized yet. I think right now there are many that just think everything will be normal and will continue doing things like normal, even though they are not, given the chance.

It will be more of establishments deciding what safety precautions they will put in place versus the travelers demanding them. Imo many will travel given the chance, not worrying, thinking it is ok. I have one timeshare that is reducing use to 6 days so they can use the 7th day for deep cleaning. I own in June. If the state parks are open, I will go but I will clean the unit myself too.

It is amazing how quick people let their guard down. My state recently went into phase one. What I am seeing is many more people in the shopping centers are not wearing masks versus wearing mask. Within my own community social distancing is getting lax. Where neighbors used to stand 6 feet apart, now they are hanging out within inches of each other. My HOA has kept social distancing in place but yet I just received an email from two residents on my block having a catered Cinco de Mayo block party. In the email they are claiming they will follow social distancing but in reality no where near. You have to pick food up at a open table, unwrapped food, buffet style. It will be interesting if the HOA stops this.
 

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I know this sounds Orwellian, but I do think we are going to have to have proof that you are immune or have been vaccinated (assuming we get one) before we go back to what we are used to in terms of normalcy for travel and gatherings. I could see the airlines die off for the most part unless the government steps in. Theme parks won't open for a year or 18 months in a best case scenario.
The only hope is that we find a way to get rid of the virus like we did with polio.

The concerning part is that some medical professions are beginning to think we could get another variation of this virus. They point to SARS and MERS. This covid is a strain variant of the previous ones. Hence, we get a vaccine for Covid and then a new combo pops up that requires new vaccine development.

You are right on Disney. 18 months with no revenue is a very long time.

As for airlines, my contact who is with a major Canadian airlines is sweating it.


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For many I think the reality of what has to be done hasn’t been realized yet. I think right now there are many that just think everything will be normal and will continue doing things like normal, even though they are not, given the chance.

It will be more of establishments deciding what safety precautions they will put in place versus the travelers demanding them. Imo many will travel given the chance, not worrying, thinking it is ok. I have one timeshare that is reducing use to 6 days so they can use the 7th day for deep cleaning. I own in June. If the state parks are open, I will go but I will clean the unit myself too.

It is amazing how quick people let their guard down. My state recently went into phase one. What I am seeing is many more people in the shopping centers are not wearing masks versus wearing mask. Within my own community social distancing is getting lax. Where neighbors used to stand 6 feet apart, now they are hanging out within inches of each other. My HOA has kept social distancing in place but yet I just received an email from two residents on my block having a catered Cinco de Mayo block party. In the email they are claiming they will follow social distancing but in reality no where near. You have to pick food up at a open table, unwrapped food, buffet style. It will be interesting if the HOA stops this.

Perhaps, people letting their guard down is partly why the US has the highest rate of infections? The sad part is if people let their guard down, all what has been done is for not.

I was talking to a friend who works for a TS resort and responsible for cleaning. They too are looking at 6 days and one for deep, sanitized cleaning. He said the cleaning costs at his resort has gone up 400 percent. They will hire more cleaning staff that will work in an assembly line like fashion. He wasn’t sure on what MF will go up to but said the rental price will increase 40 percent to cover the added costs.

What I thought was interesting was even the mattresses and all furniture will be steam cleaned with disinfectant after each guest leaves. They are planning on removing all cloth couches/chairs and replacing them with leather for easier disinfection.

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All of what's being posited are extremes and very expensive. There was one suggestion that we would need to prove we've been vaccinated. That, to me, is the key. Think of how your pets are tracked. I know we receive a notice from our vet when they are due for certain vaccines. I expect it will become similar for us. Our doctors will be charged with the responsibility of tracking the vaccines we've received. They already do some of that today. I've been asked by my doctors if I want to get certain "booster" shots for things I was immunized for as a child.

Once the full tracking system is in place we will then need to provide proof of vaccinations to do certain things. If I want to fly I must have certain vaccines current and be able to prove it. There may different levels of vaccinations required for different activities. One set for clothes shopping, another set for grocery shopping, another for using public transportation, etc. So, additional screening "at the front door." Tracking, verification, and proof records. All based upon a vaccine being developed.

I don't see any of these other types of measures being economically feasible. Placing Plexiglas between airline seats? Not wholly effective. There has to be airflow throughout the plane, plus the added weight would still result in reduced seating capacity. Social distancing in restaurants? Reduced seating capacity would mean reduced sales. I just don't see these types of measures working.
 

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I would love to see mandatory use of facemasks at airports and on airplanes- by everyone.
Many scientists over the last couple months have shown that facemasks prevent transmission of 90%-95% of viruses from infected people who wear them. 70% if you wear one, but the infected person doesn't.

That alone would be halt/slow the fast worldwide spread of deadly diseases.
 

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My son in law works for an architectural firm and he was telling us today that several of their clients in the franchise restaurant or other retail areas are already changing their design specs for new places to anticipate what may come. For example, sneeze guards are being increased in size, areas for condiments like the ones in large pump containers are being replaced by small individupal packets, etc. They know there will likely be many more changes but the forms are trying to get specs in place ahead of what's to come.
 

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I would love to see mandatory use of facemasks at airports and on airplanes- by everyone.
Many scientists over the last couple months have shown that facemasks prevent transmission of 90%-95% of viruses from infected people who wear them. 70% if you wear one, but the infected person doesn't.

That alone would be halt/slow the fast worldwide spread of deadly diseases.
Disease has traveled with man since the Vikings and dug out canoes, you are NOT going to stop it.
 

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Disease has traveled with man since the Vikings and dug out canoes, you are NOT going to stop it.
Yep, but we haven't had a worldwide pandemic since 1918, and I'd rather not knowingly continue to spread the one we have. Or others
Masks on airplanes seems like a true no-brainer now.
 

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Future Travel Challenges - What do you see as the
new, permanent precautions being put into place?


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Timeshares Resorts and Hotels, Restaurants and travel related businesses should take pride in guiding and seeing their businesses grow professionally. They need to make guests feel safe again. Everyone needs to make a promise to educate, motivate, and inspire. Education is the key. Don`t give up on your travel dreams!
 

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I can see it now.

Your teenage grandchildren go on a date...

Before you go:

Wear face mask, only hold hands wearing rubber gloves and be complete arms length at all times.

Wear your cool Gucci Face shield

Wear coveralls to reduce risk of contamination...

No worry about hanky panky at least...




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Well, it had already come to something near this as people can no longer 'talk' to each other but can 'text' each other even when sitting next to each other.....
 

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Yep, but we haven't had a worldwide pandemic since 1918, and I'd rather not knowingly continue to spread the one we have. Or others
Masks on airplanes seems like a true no-brainer now.
See 1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic.
 

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What I thought was interesting was even the mattresses and all furniture will be steam cleaned with disinfectant after each guest leaves. They are planning on removing all cloth couches/chairs and replacing them with leather for easier disinfection.
It's going to be tough on the bedbugs at that resort.
 

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Travel costs will rise dramatically and perhaps for a very long time after that.
Haves will enjoy more prestige by virtue of being able to afford the higher costs of going to 'roomy' restaurants and sparsely peopled venues. Masks for air travel till vaccine emerges and corona virus is squashed.. and maybe for all close packed travel and entertainment venues.
No gloves because your hands ARE your gloves.. just wash or sanitize them often.

And if you think there's a disparity right NOW between the well-to-do and everyone else, just wait!
 

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We won't do any real travel till a vaccine has happened. We still have plans to take our Granddaughter on her first cruise which we had to cancel this year. We also want to take her to Hawaii as we also made several of these trips with our kids when they were young. Hopefully the vaccine will happen and much of travel will be as it always was.
 
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