TUG Review Crew: Veteran
- Jul 10, 2005
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- Newport Coast, California
The MF's - people who like CLEAN and NEW will pay that. People who like tired, worn & soiled pay $500
There will probably be more people dumping things ... the seller didn't get much action on the other things ( the tired -the worn - the soiled)[/url]
MF's are $1998 a week? I agree with the previous post of OUCH! For $2000 a week I can stay anywhere in the US I want at very luxurious accomodations (Hyatts, Hiltons, Ritz Carltons etc). That is almost $300 a night. Heck I am rarely in my room except for breakfast and to sleep so I could care less about granite counters, stainless steel appliances,luxurious curtains,valences, or crown moulding etc. In addition for the high MF's and high purchase price you only have 2 four seasons resorts to internally trade into as opposed to the hundreds of locations available when you buy into other chains
I personally have stayed in a lot of timeshares with MF's of around $500 to $800, and rarely has a room not been clean, and rarely was the furniture soiled. Some people assume that because something is 4 times more expensive it has to be 4 times better. That is not usually the case with timeshares from my experience. Better accomodations without a doubt, but not 4 times better to me.
I am guessing if you are never in the room as you say, a far more economical way to vacation with be a pup tent and a shower at the local Y...have fun
.I would personally rather stay in an $800 a week nice condo than to stay in a $2000 a week super nice condo. That extra $1200 will pay for numerous meals eating out, a rental car for the week, air fare, and/or many other activites I would rather spend my hard earned money on
Reasonable and thoughtful response...but to a large extent, not pertinent to the question at hand; Is there any time of interval ownership worth 2,000 a year in maintenance fees in addition to the (albeit reduced) purchase cost? Especially when more modestly priced timeshare vacations are so readily available.
The answer, of course, depends where you sit. Some people would like their
accommodations to be 5* in every sense. Twice daily maid sevice, 24 hour concierge, free childcare, calling the front desk and getting an enthusiastic yes to everything you request....etc.,etc. The Four Seasons is not for everyone but it is for me.
chalucky: I believe there is a comparable Marriott to the Four Seasons -- in Phuket and we stayed there on the JW Marriott hotel property but the timeshare part.
chalucky: That said, we are going to experience Four Seasons Aviara in two weeks even though we live just 10 minutes away to see if my gut feelings are correct. Exchanged into their studio with our 'not fancy' Marriott DSV-I studio.
Where is Steamboat Bill when you need him. I credit him for the concept of cost per night ( search other threads especially in non-traditional )
The cost of a unit should not be JUST the purchase price and then bitch on MF's. The cost is a BLEND of purchase and yearly MF's
Who is better off - someone who buys for $34,000 ( like Hawaii or new Marriott ) and has $1000 in mF or someone who pays $12,000 & pays $2100 in MF"s ? Bill & others would take purchase x 5% as opportunity cost + MF/7 = cost per night
34,000 x 5% = 1,700 / 7 = $243/night
1000 MF / 7 ========= $142/night
TOTAL cost per night ==== $385/night
12,000 x 5 % =600 / 7 = $ 85/night
2100 MF / 7 ========= $300/night
TOTAL cost per night ====$385/ night
So --it is not one or the other ( purchase or MF ) it is the SUM and if you are happy and feel you get value for that dollar amount.
If you typically pay ( and your comfort level ) is less than $385/night - then a FOUR SEASONS unit is not for you.
The thread started with the sale at $6,000 a week for a FS --so that person lowered his/her weekly cost by approx $42.50 a night - that person got a deal - but still just a $42 deal.
Only if you ignore the time value of money.it's actually less when you consider that you pay your purchase price once so you basically have to spread that cost out over the total years of ownership
Who is better off - someone who buys for $34,000 ( like Hawaii or new Marriott ) and has $1000 in mF or someone who pays $12,000 & pays $2100 in MF"s ?
The biggest problem with your comparison is that you are using extremelly high retail prices of $34,000 for Hawaii, and comparing that inflated retail price to the resale price of $12,000 (still too high) for FS Aviara. Plug in $6000 to $10,000 for current Hawaii resale prices (many non Marriott Hawaii prices are currently $500 or less for 2 bed rooms) and see how the cost per night computes. Then figure in a $500 purchase with $700 annual MF's that you can trade for the Four Seasons for no additional cost (other than a small exchange fee) and compare that cost per night.