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Re: these mayors and governors violating their social distancing rules:

It isn’t that they’re hypocrites or bad examples


It shows they’re not as afraid of covid as they claim to be, and are exaggerating the risk.

You could be right. Or, it could be that they simply rationalized their actions and still believe in what they’re saying.

The numbers are increasing, the hospitals are getting full, and hundreds of thousands in this country alone are dead from this disease in less than a year. We failed as a country, and I don’t think we need to wonder if politicians are exaggerating the risk or not...it doesn’t take much common sense to answer that. Stay. Home.


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The virus has been with us from December 2019, the researchers found 106 samples with coronavirus antibodies out of 7389 blood donations. Because these were random and not taken from people who were sick, had symptoms etc., we may extrapolate this to the whole US population and conclude that 4.7 million people had the virus already by then. How come if it was so infectious and so deadly the number of deaths at the time was not a lot higher than normal? What the heck are they not telling us?

My take is that the politicians do not believe one iota of what they are saying on TV. Same with the journalists. Look at Chris Cuomo. He was on TV every day describing his isolation in the basement and his terrible suffering, but in fact he was going outdoors to supervise his villa construction. This crisis has been very convenient for them, they have resolved a lot of items on their wish list. Same for richest people who got one trillion dollar richer while US as a whole added 10 trillions in debt (when you count the government, corporate and personal debt)



 

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The virus has been with us from December 2019, the researchers found 106 samples with coronavirus antibodies out of 7389 blood donations. Because these were random and not taken from people who were sick, had symptoms etc., we may extrapolate this to the whole US population and conclude that 4.7 million people had the virus already by then. How come if it was so infectious and so deadly the number of deaths at the time was not a lot higher than normal? What the heck are they not telling us?

My take is that the politicians do not believe one iota of what they are saying on TV. Same with the journalists. Look at Chris Cuomo. He was on TV every day describing his isolation in the basement and his terrible suffering, but in fact he was going outdoors to supervise his villa construction. This crisis has been very convenient for them, they have resolved a lot of items on their wish list. Same for richest people who got one trillion dollar richer while US as a whole added 10 trillions in debt (when you count the government, corporate and personal debt)



This is it exactly. And I love the mayor of Austin lecturing his community about how to behave FROM HIS TIMESHARE IN CABO.
The public service messages are absolutely laughable at this point & have zero credibility.

Oh, and my governor (IL) has his family hunkering down in FL of all places. You know, scary FL , where they have a governor that has lifted so many restrictions.
 

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This is it exactly. And I love the mayor of Austin lecturing his community about how to behave FROM HIS TIMESHARE IN CABO.
The public service messages are absolutely laughable at this point & have zero credibility.

Oh, and my governor (IL) has his family hunkering down in FL of all places. You know, scary FL , where they have a governor that has lifted so many restrictions.

The virus has been with us from December 2019, the researchers found 106 samples with coronavirus antibodies out of 7389 blood donations. Because these were random and not taken from people who were sick, had symptoms etc., we may extrapolate this to the whole US population and conclude that 4.7 million people had the virus already by then. How come if it was so infectious and so deadly the number of deaths at the time was not a lot higher than normal? What the heck are they not telling us?

My take is that the politicians do not believe one iota of what they are saying on TV. Same with the journalists. Look at Chris Cuomo. He was on TV every day describing his isolation in the basement and his terrible suffering, but in fact he was going outdoors to supervise his villa construction. This crisis has been very convenient for them, they have resolved a lot of items on their wish list. Same for richest people who got one trillion dollar richer while US as a whole added 10 trillions in debt (when you count the government, corporate and personal debt)
yes, the coronavirus is a huge conspiracy for the rich to get even richer



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Is it supposed to be a newsflash that politicians and other known faces can be as selfishly stupid as anyone else in this country? If you didn't know it before these last few years you've certainly had it drilled into your heads since.

But by all means, let's be as stupid as they are and insist that if they can do it so can we, consequences be damned.

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Is it supposed to be a newsflash that politicians and other known faces can be as selfishly stupid as anyone else in this country? If you didn't know it before these last few years you've certainly had it drilled into your heads since.

But by all means, let's be as stupid as they are and insist that if they can do it so can we, consequences be damned.
Let's all follow a lockdown policy that has incredible consequences be damned.

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Cornell said:
This is it exactly. And I love the mayor of Austin lecturing his community about how to behave FROM HIS TIMESHARE IN CABO.
The public service messages are absolutely laughable at this point & have zero credibility.

Oh, and my governor (IL) has his family hunkering down in FL of all places. You know, scary FL , where they have a governor that has lifted so many restrictions.



ME: @Cornell Precisely. This is not a case where a priest in a moment of weakness is making out with a parishioner. The politicians instead just do not seem concerned about the level of risk for themselves and their beloved families.

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Re: these mayors and governors violating their social distancing rules:

It isn’t that they’re hypocrites or bad examples


It shows they’re not as afraid of covid as they claim to be, and are exaggerating the risk.
For what reason? Can you elaborate on why a politician would or anyone would do this. And since every country in the world, every state and national health department, and all national health care worker groups agree it is a pretty big group that has this policy. Please elaborate on this huge conspiracy you see.

Or is 279,806 deaths pretty good evidence that human nature allows us to take risks assuming it will not happen to them. The more we hear that it hits certain ages harder, certain races harder, and with politicians we will get that great compassionate use drug that we can rationalize our behavior.
 

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Your plan?


The plan is simple: protect the vulnerable, let everybody else live their lives otherwise we put the future of our kids (and grandkids) in great jeopardy.
 

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Your plan?
My plan - let people make their own personal choices regarding their lives -- just like our politicians and medical officials are doing for their own families.

Open schools, open businesses.

Protect the vulnerable.

Lockdown measures don't work.
 

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There’s no room for doubt any longer.

Those who pontificate for opening schools, opening businesses, point to Sweden as a shining example of how to address Covid, decry the emotional toll on disrupting their lives, complain of politicians who make mistakes (shocker), criticize and demean scientists and health workers who have dedicated themselves to saving lives, and dismiss common sense on TUG believe fringe concepts promoted by conspiracy groups.

Even this sickness has infiltrated TUG. Sad day on many counts.

We desperately need to teach critical thinking skills, as it’s obviously lacking in many, among other changes or else this symptom will continue.


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My plan - let people make their own personal choices regarding their lives -- just like our politicians and medical officials are doing for their own families.

Open schools, open businesses.

Protect the vulnerable.

Lockdown measures don't work.
That actually looks like a lack of a plan. And I am curious how we did much better after locking down in the spring?????? Wonder why FL, TX, and Arizona did better in the summer after they increased restrictions????? How did Europe obtain their early success in depressing the virus if it was not lockdowns? How has China almost eliminated it if it was not for their draconian lockdowns? Just saying they do not work does not make it true. While there is a lot of discussion to be had as to what to close and stay open the restrictions do work. The three areas I know had pretty hard restrictions did the best soon after. They are Wuhan, Italy, and Madrid. Please show how 1 area depressed an ongoing outbreak without increasing restrictions. The same restrictions that have been championed by everyone in the know since March. Wear a mask. Limit interactions. Wash your hands. As to safety we have always limited those personal decisions. I cannot shot gun a 12 pack and go see if my car can hit 100 in a school zone.
 
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It will just magically go away...

It will just magically go away... ... ... after about a million Americans die.

It will just magically go away... ... ... because scientists (scientists = people who study and believe in science) created a vaccine.

But to many people, it will have just magically gone away.
 

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There’s no room for doubt any longer.

Those who pontificate for opening schools, opening businesses, point to Sweden as a shining example of how to address Covid, decry the emotional toll on disrupting their lives, complain of politicians who make mistakes (shocker), criticize and demean scientists and health workers who have dedicated themselves to saving lives, and dismiss common sense on TUG believe fringe concepts promoted by conspiracy groups.

Even this sickness has infiltrated TUG. Sad day on many counts.

We desperately need to teach critical thinking skills, as it’s obviously lacking in many, among other changes or else this symptom will continue.


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1) Mr. Fauci is now for opening the schools. Do you include him in the group that promotes "conspiracies"?

2) Concerning the "teaching the critical thinking skills", obviously intended as an insult, don't you think that we actually see your side AND incorporate a lot of other information before coming to our own conclusion? If anything, our thinking is the result of more work and more thinking not less. The fact that many of us have statistical, math, engineering backgrounds and have a trained eye in spotting inconsistencies in the official numbers should make you reflect a bit more.
 
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It will just magically go away... ... ... after about a million Americans die.

It will just magically go away... ... ... because scientists (scientists = people who study and believe in science) created a vaccine.

But to many people, it will have just magically gone away.
Those at risk can stay home. Those that are not can live their lives. It is not a matter of the virus going away or not. Especially knowing that God knows, another virus will come along sooner or later.
 

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Those at risk can stay home. Those that are not can live their lives. It is not a matter of the virus going away or not. Especially knowing that God knows, another virus will come along sooner or later.

A million people dying is a big deal to me. YMMV
 

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1) Mr. Fauci is now for opening the schools. Do you include him in the group that promotes "conspiracies"?

2) Concerning the "teaching the critical thinking skills", obviously intended as an insult, don't you think that we actually see your side AND incorporate a lot of other information before coming to our own conclusion? If anything, our thinking is the result of more work and more thinking not less. The fact that many of us have strong statistical, math, engineering backgrounds and have a trained eye in spotting inconsistencies in the official numbers should make you reflect a bit more.
But Danny - the science is settled. Period.
 

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My plan - let people make their own personal choices regarding their lives -- just like our politicians and medical officials are doing for their own families.

Open schools, open businesses.

Protect the vulnerable.

Lockdown measures don't work.

Like others have indicated that's not a pandemic plan - just everyone doing their own thing

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But Danny - the science is settled. Period.

You keep writing this as if it is true, when it’s not. One of the more concerning unknown areas are the long term implications of Covid.

As for transmission...well, yes, the science is fairly clear. Asymptomatic spread is high which is why opening businesses and schools is not the smartest choice.


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The US did not do "lock down". Brief shut downs lifted too soon in too many areas. Some areas went along with what other areas were doing but had no reason to lock down without the virus in its community. I understand why residents in those areas feel they lost everything 'for nothing', as it might not be until now that they have a real problem.

It's not so simple to say lock downs didn't work when they were never actually implemented here in a way that would have made them effective. New York did in fact restrict residents to a level at which spread did come down. They haven't been "a hot spot" since very early in this. VERY early in this.
 

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You keep writing this as if it is true, when it’s not. One of the more concerning unknown areas are the long term implications of Covid.

As for transmission...well, yes, the science is fairly clear. Asymptomatic spread is high which is why opening businesses and schools is not the smartest choice.


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Every virus, including the flu have had long term implications. This is another scare tactic without a base line for comparison and another proof that your analysis is lacking "critical thinking"
 
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