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Fauci urges caution about relying on antibody tests

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WHO and other sources are saying there is no proof you are immune just because you now have antibodies in your system.
 

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WHO and other sources are saying there is no proof you are immune just because you now have antibodies in your system.
Makes sense for everyone to say that. There is no way to really know yet, too soon. But if I had it before and didn’t know that makes me think my immune system was good enough for me to be ok.
 

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There was a discussion a while back that IF the antibodies DID prevent a relapse, then with proper ID you could get away without a mask and all the precautions because you were immune. Then there was the concern about private information, and the subject kind of went away. Especially now since the antibodies may not matter.
 

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There was a discussion a while back that IF the antibodies DID prevent a relapse, then with proper ID you could get away without a mask and all the precautions because you were immune. Then there was the concern about private information, and the subject kind of went away. Especially now since the antibodies may not matter.


I remember all that buzz, at the time i was wonder how you could tell if someone without the mask had really been tested. I cam imagine a lot people would claim to be immune just so they could go back to work or be out and about without mask, gloves, etc...
 

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I remember all that buzz, at the time i was wonder how you could tell if someone without the mask had really been tested. I cam imagine a lot people would claim to be immune just so they could go back to work or be out and about without mask, gloves, etc...
The thought was to create an ID of some sort that documented your condition. But it was blasted as making your private situation too public. I get it. I've been hospitalized for COVID-19, but I don't think I want to wear an ID badge around my neck in public to say I don't need a mask anymore (IF the antibodies worked!)
 

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The thought was to create an ID of some sort that documented your condition. But it was blasted as making your private situation too public. I get it. I've been hospitalized for COVID-19, but I don't think I want to wear an ID badge around my neck in public to say I don't need a mask anymore (IF the antibodies worked!)


In my opinion, this would be unconstitutional also I don’t trust Gates and his ID2020 idea. I really don’t think there’s a need for it and I don’t support it.
 

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In my opinion, this would be unconstitutional also I don’t trust Gates and his ID2020 idea. I really don’t think there’s a need for it and I don’t support it.
Yes, not like I want some badge to wear to prove I don't need to wear a face mask. Total STUPID!
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Scarlet letter anyone?

ID won’t work. Medical Information is private and should stay that way IMHO
 

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I am not in favor of a Covid ID. I am hoping that with extensive testing and tracing and quarantine of the sick as well as SIP for the at risk groups, that we can start to lift SIP/SAH for the majority.
 

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I remember all that buzz, at the time i was wonder how you could tell if someone without the mask had really been tested. I cam imagine a lot people would claim to be immune just so they could go back to work or be out and about without mask, gloves, etc...
Not necessarily claim they are immune, but you could see covid parties where people try to get the virus, so they can get over it and go about their lives.
 

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I will determine my own future without any help or assistance from the government.
 

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Not necessarily claim they are immune, but you could see covid parties where people try to get the virus, so they can get over it and go about their lives.
When I was a kid, parents would send their kids to a household where they had an active case of chicken pox so that their kid would get it, as it was much worse if you got it when you were older. I'm sure some people have at least thought about doing that for CV-19.

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I never got the chicken pox. My younger brother got it when I was a teenager and I still did not get it. I got the vaccine as an adult about 12 years ago when I was working in a medical setting.
 

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When I was a kid, parents would send their kids to a household where they had an active case of chicken pox so that their kid would get it, as it was much worse if you got it when you were older. I'm sure some people have at least thought about doing that for CV-19.

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I guess that's one way to control when you get it vs waiting and wondering and living in fear. Hopefully you are alone and fully stocked up for a two to three week hole up.
 

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Testing in Santa Clara County shows that the real numbers of covid 19 are way off. The CDC is forcing states to recount confirmed covid 19 deaths to include confirmed cases and probable cases. Last week New York reported 3,700 non-confirmed but presumed deaths attributed to covid 19.

This new study by Dr Loannidis suggests that the CDC numbers are way off. His study show a 50 to 80 fold higher infection rate of covid 19 than CDC projections. Basically,this study shows that many people have already acquired anti bodies to covid 19.

 

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When I was a kid, parents would send their kids to a household where they had an active case of chicken pox so that their kid would get it, as it was much worse if you got it when you were older. I'm sure some people have at least thought about doing that for CV-19.

Kurt
The anti vaxxers still do this. They call it “chicken pox parties “
 

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The WHO has to be cautious. Does NOT mean the antibodies are worthless AT ALL. It would be rather unusual for the CV19 antibodies to not be protective as Mers/SARS and 4 other common cold Coronaviruses offer immunity for a couple years.
I also find it highly highly interesting that as antibody testing ramps up they are finding way way more mild/asymptomatic cases than previously thought. Every area that has started the antibody testing is showing finding more than they thought.

Caveat though is on the test and its accuracy. And that alone is reason enough to reject "immunity" papers!!! Good grief I cannot believe this is even being considered in any way, shape, or form at ALL! What a way to turn a whole section of a country into permanent second class citizens!!! What happens to your job if you aren't immune-especially at first? Is it held for you? are you allowed out of your dwelling? Are you forcibly barred from visiting family who may not have the same immune status? Are you only allowed to mingle with your own "immunity:" level? What about if the test is proven to have given a false result -lets say positive you are immune and then found to not be? Are you then charged with possible murder or pain and suffering if found you infected others? etc. I could write a 12 page dissertation on why this is MORALLY and ETHICALLY WRONG. And I do not care a WHIT what other authoritarian countries are doing (don't believe EU will go for it either)
 

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The WHO has to be cautious. Does NOT mean the antibodies are worthless AT ALL. It would be rather unusual for the CV19 antibodies to not be protective as Mers/SARS and 4 other common cold Coronaviruses offer immunity for a couple years.
I also find it highly highly interesting that as antibody testing ramps up they are finding way way more mild/asymptomatic cases than previously thought. Every area that has started the antibody testing is showing finding more than they thought.

Caveat though is on the test and its accuracy. And that alone is reason enough to reject "immunity" papers!!! Good grief I cannot believe this is even being considered in any way, shape, or form at ALL! What a way to turn a whole section of a country into permanent second class citizens!!! What happens to your job if you aren't immune-especially at first? Is it held for you? are you allowed out of your dwelling? Are you forcibly barred from visiting family who may not have the same immune status? Are you only allowed to mingle with your own "immunity:" level? What about if the test is proven to have given a false result -lets say positive you are immune and then found to not be? Are you then charged with possible murder or pain and suffering if found you infected others? etc. I could write a 12 page dissertation on why this is MORALLY and ETHICALLY WRONG. And I do not care a WHIT what other authoritarian countries are doing (don't believe EU will go for it either)
Kind of like the old Leprosy colonies like the one in Hawaii or in old abandoned stone quarries where the lowered you down and you didnt come backup. :-/
 
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