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Face masks and coronavirus: Asia may have been right and the rest of the world is coming around

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The health care workers in my family tell me that the mask is to minimized the transmission from the person wearing the mask to others. It has only minimal effect protecting the one wearing the mask from others.
 

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The issue is the lack of testing. Add in people who are contagious without showing any symptoms and you have a disease the spreads easily. If everybody wears a mask, that will include all those folks who don't know they have the disease and will reduce their ability to spread this disease.
The problem, of course, is the lack of masks. We don't have enough for everybody. It's a national disgrace that we haven't supplied our health care workers with the gear they need. Adding in the rest of the population makes it that more difficult. We need a nation wide, federally coordinated campaign to make enough masks and other protective gear (plus ventilators) for the whole country. There are plenty of manufacturing plants that can be converted (and many already have), but this needs to be coordinated nationally rather than in a piecemeal fashion.
 

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The issue is the lack of testing. Add in people who are contagious without showing any symptoms and you have a disease the spreads easily. If everybody wears a mask, that will include all those folks who don't know they have the disease and will reduce their ability to spread this disease.
The problem, of course, is the lack of masks. We don't have enough for everybody. It's a national disgrace that we haven't supplied our health care workers with the gear they need. Adding in the rest of the population makes it that more difficult. We need a nation wide, federally coordinated campaign to make enough masks and other protective gear (plus ventilators) for the whole country. There are plenty of manufacturing plants that can be converted (and many already have), but this needs to be coordinated nationally rather than in a piecemeal fashion.
As noted in this thread, S. Korea figured it out.

 

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Any mask can protect you from SELF infection.
The virus is respiratory - it primarily enters your body through your mouth or nose .
(ie)
1) - you touch a surface that has the Covid 19 virus on it .
2 ) - you touch your nose or mouth .

Any mask / including a self made mask - can prevent self infection in this manner .
 

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Another benefit of wearing a mask. People will not come near you because they think you may be sick. How's that for social distancing? People cannot recognize you either so no worries.
 

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I am very sorry to say this, but I am becoming increasingly skeptical of things that our government tells us. I remember pictures of all those people in Asia wearing masks. Were they all fools?

I can't see how wearing a mask in public would be harmful (so long as there is an adequate supply for health care workers). If US industry ramps up mask production to the point that supplies are adequate, I wonder if there will be a shift in policy so that we are all encouraged to wear masks.

Also: wear glasses. That will hopefully decrease the number of times you touch your eyes.
 

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Go figure. I gave away all of the unopened boxes of the n95's. I think I have 6 left in an open box.

Bill
 

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I can't see how wearing a mask in public would be harmful (so long as there is an adequate supply for health care workers).
Exactly -- I don't recall anyone saying that wearing a mask is harmful; the message I only heard was that wearing a mask does not protect you as most people think it does, so don't buy them and save them for medical personnel where they are truly needed.

Wearing a basic or homemade mask if you are infected or think you might be infected is an excellent thing to do. Hoarding and wearing n95 masks "just to be safe" is an extremely selfish thing to do, IMO.

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I am very sorry to say this, but I am becoming increasingly skeptical of things that our government tells us. I remember pictures of all those people in Asia wearing masks. Were they all fools?

I can't see how wearing a mask in public would be harmful (so long as there is an adequate supply for health care workers). If US industry ramps up mask production to the point that supplies are adequate, I wonder if there will be a shift in policy so that we are all encouraged to wear masks.

Also: wear glasses. That will hopefully decrease the number of times you touch your eyes.

Some people in Asia wear masks when there is NO COVID-19 or other virus going around.
 

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I think the biggest challenge for the US is procuring that many masks. Big population difference in US vs S. Korea. If each person needs two a week, that is half a billion masks a week. We would have to rely 100% on domestic production since every other country is needing the same thing. Based on the article, S.Korea procured 80% of their domestic production, that doesn't leave much to be exported. We can't rely on imports.

I certainly think wearing a mask is helpful, otherwise why would healthcare workers wear them? Yes, they probably know how to fit them and wear them properly, but I doubt the presence of an improperly fit mask makes it more dangerous. This is mostly opinion, but I think the line of "they don't help you if you aren't sick" was some scheme hoping people wouldn't buy them instead of just telling us the truth that we need to save them for those on the front line instead of you going out for a walk.
 
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Where can you find face masks to purchase ?
 

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I'd be surprised if you were able to find masks for sale. Your best bet might be YouTube - do a search on "make a face mask."
 

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Interesting. Health officials were telling us that masks don't prevent infection for the general public But there might be no data to support that claim. If mask protect health workers, why wouldn't they also protect the general public? Would it be a good strategy to get appropriate masks for the general public, particularly starting with those who are deemed vulnerable?


yes, even before the coronavirus pandemic many people in China and Japan wore masks in crowds
might be something to think about ...
 

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Here's an article published today that discusses viral transmission by those who have been exposed but do not yet have any symptoms (so they don't know that they are infected). The point: such pre-symptomatic individuals may spread less virus if they wear a mask.


Now, think about this: should we wear hats? Surgeons cover their hair. Do viral particles adhere to hair? I have read nothing about this and am just speculating. But it won't hurt me to wear a baseball cap to go shopping and then remove it when I get home.
 

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Dr. Mark Hyman had a webinar at 5. At the end they addressed the mask controversy.

if you wear a mask and keep touching it and your face you risk self-contamination.

If you wash hands and don’t wear mask you have x% of contracting virus from infected persons.

If you wash hands and wear mask with caution of putting dirty hands near face you can increase your protection.

It all seems highly determined by how safe you are handling the mask.
 

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I think the biggest challenge for the US is procuring that many masks. Big population...... If each person needs two a week, that is half a billion masks a week. ......
This is mostly opinion,
but I think the line of "they don't help you if you aren't sick"
was some scheme hoping people wouldn't buy them instead of just telling us the truth that we need to save them for those on the front line instead of you going out for a walk.

IMO - 100% likely that your opinion is correct .

Government Authority spin is worldwide
 

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I thought this no-sew DIY face mask made with a scarf or bandana and elastic hair ties is a great MacGyver if you don't sew. You can insert a paper towel as the filter if you don't have HVAC fiber. Not perfect but better than nothing.

 
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Here is another video discussing filters to insert (avoid fiberglass) and the suggestion that a paper towel mask provides some protection. (but I don't think a toilet paper mask will work...LOL)

 
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As long as it isn’t an Astros one -
(that would be cheating )

No, believe it or not, I have a Marriott Vacation Club baseball cap from Marriott Canyon Villas in Phoenix. It must have been a freebie for sitting through a timeshare presentation when we visited there many years ago. We didn't buy, but I kept the cap.
 

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Here is another video discussing filters to insert (avoid fiberglass) and the suggestion that a paper towel mask provides some protection. (but I don't think a toilet paper mask will work...LOL)

Oh gawd, now I won't be able to replace my AC filters. I only have about 5 or 6 left...
 

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IMO - 100% likely that your opinion is correct .

Government Authority spin is worldwide
100% incorrect.
I have been working for weeks as a nurse without wearing a mask. Now however, we are required to wear a mask all day. Why? Because some infected people don’t know their infected are asymptomatic and can transmit the disease to others. Case in point an asymptomatic mother just gave the virus to her infant who then died .

There isn’t a conspiracy theory just evolving information.
 

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turkle, are things any better in California and should a seventy plus person be wearing a mask IMO.
 
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