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Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside

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I searched for a health “expert” in the article. Several worker “experts” and grocery owners. I may have missed it.

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I searched for a health “expert” in the article. Several worker “experts” and grocery owners. I may have missed it.

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No you didn’t. I took notice of union leaders, protecting workers, minimizing risk.
 

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No you didn’t. I took notice of union leaders, protecting workers, minimizing risk.
Why do I feel this would be a contentious social issue?
 

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I have become accustomed to curbside and delivery. However they would have to massively ramp up people to support this since we have discussed in other forums how everyone is having a terrible time securing delivery slots.
 

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I have become accustomed to curbside and delivery. However they would have to massively ramp up people to support this since we have discussed in other forums how everyone is having a terrible time securing delivery slots.
We’ve been using Instacart for the past couple of weeks and we like it. I just know that a lot of people would be very upset if they weren’t allowed to go into the grocery store.

We often got takeout from restaurants before the SAH so that isn’t a big deal. I do miss going to eat in restaurants but I know they’ll open eventually.
 

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I'm not sure why me being in the store is less safe than an Instacart person being in the store. One person is one person. It's just outsourcing the risk to someone who feels they need the money, vs. being able to stay at home. The risk is the same; the difference is the socio-economic status of the person fulfilling the task. Unless there is something I'm missing....
 

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I'm not sure why me being in the store is less safe than an Instacart person being in the store. One person is one person. It's just outsourcing the risk to someone who feels they need the money, vs. being able to stay at home. The risk is the same; the difference is the socio-economic status of the person fulfilling the task. Unless there is something I'm missing....

We use it because it is safer for us. It reduces the number of people we come into contact with. You’re correct that it probably doesn’t make it any safer for the employees.
 

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I think that if the money and volunteers for the charities giving out boxes of food to layed-off out of workers, dries up, we're in deep do-do. In some places Nat'l Guard are helping. Churches are risking their parishioner's lives building food boxes. Places like NYC and San Francisco, close to 30% of 1st responders are sick. You can't keep homeless people separated forever.

Oh, never mind. I'm just venting.

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I'm not sure why me being in the store is less safe than an Instacart person being in the store. One person is one person. It's just outsourcing the risk to someone who feels they need the money, vs. being able to stay at home. The risk is the same; the difference is the socio-economic status of the person fulfilling the task. Unless there is something I'm missing....
Your point is made in the second half of the article. Titles for articles are usually authored by editors, not the writer/reporter. Sensationalism sells.

Any thinking person who reads the entire article and understands how unworkable banning "regular customers" from grocery stores in favor of "gig" shoppers is, and it gains nothing. It is extremely difficult to book a slot for grocery pick-up as it currently stands.

The editor who composed the sensational title for this backwater article either never read the entire article, or just cherry-picked the first half for sensationalism.

This is just one more example why people are becoming more educated and cynical about the "media" in general.
 

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IMHO, if you want a panic / riots in America just try to ban American from going to the grocery and hardware stores.

Is my post over the top?????????. It may be deleted. no problem. No hurt feeling.
 
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We've tried ordering our groceries online for delivery. It's usually a week out for a slot and we've timed out before we can place our order. So we do go in person @ every 10 days or so. Heinen's, which is a Cleveland chain, has had to close two stores temporarily due to an employee being diagnosed with Covid-19. After deep sanitizing they reopen.

With the protests that have sprung up in the last week over "stay-at-home" restrictions, adding groceries and hardware stores would lead to increased demonstrations as Pedro47 has posted.

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Let's avoid politics, shall we?

Trips to Walmart and the grocery are the highlight of our lives.
Most of our debates center around who gets to go and when.
The only other exciting thing in our lives is the mail delivery.
 

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I am not aware of any of the grocery stores near me having a pre-order / pickup option. I have tried to schedule delivery multiple times, but so far have not found an available delivery slots. Similar to Talent312, i enjoy going to the stores, so it does not really bother me that much.

The lack of available delivery slots just shows that the stores don't have the ability to staff up and offer this in major way. Then if you ban customers from entering the stores, you would also stop 3rd party delivery services like Instacart, and the capacity is reduced even more. If you add in the fact that some people don't have computer access or need to pay cash due to credit issues i don't see this happening anytime soon.
 

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Why even have grocery stores. Just deliver right from warehouses. That has to be cheaper then having someone shop for you.
 

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IMHO, if you want a panic / riots in America just try to ban American from going to the grocery and hardware stores.
haven't we already seen the stampedes for TP and meat??

If this story came out yesterday, I would expect to see on my local news, again, masses trying to cram into stores today.
 

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Let's avoid politics, shall we?

Trips to Walmart and the grocery are the highlight of our lives.
Most of our debates center around who gets to go and when.
The only other exciting thing in our lives is the mail delivery.

Don’t underestimate the excitement of (my personal weekly highlight) trash day!!
 

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I don't think one would have to be "an expert" to understand how bad this has gotten for grocery workers. I think part of the problem is that it has been "an allowed" activity so many people have increased their number of trips, not decreased. Then, management in some places not allowing masks, not supplying hand sanitizer, etc. It became far too late to protect the front line workers and/or put requirements on customers (limit number in store, require masks, one person per cart...).

I called them as the new petri dish after cruise ships docked. I definitely did not have to have any credentials in retail management to see it. Footage of lines around the Costco to get in were a telling indicator.
 

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I'm not sure why me being in the store is less safe than an Instacart person being in the store. One person is one person. It's just outsourcing the risk to someone who feels they need the money, vs. being able to stay at home. The risk is the same; the difference is the socio-economic status of the person fulfilling the task. Unless there is something I'm missing....

What about our local restaurant owners? Many are open for business, seem to really want people to come in and pick up takeout. Of course that brings them into contact with others- coworkers, customers, delivery services- multiple times per day.

Is it a negative to patronize our local restaurants because other than the restaurant owners' and workers' socioeconomic status resulting in them needing the income, they could just stay home?

Or is it a positive to patronize our local restaurants to help them stay afloat right now, and keep the paydays happening?

I think most of us who seek to earn a paycheck do so because of our socioeconomic status- if I were independently wealthy, I probably would not hold a regular paycheck type of job myself. I personally do not feel exploited by my work, even though it brings me into contact with many more people than I'd be in contact with if I stayed home. Instead, I feel really lucky to have a steady paycheck.

I've given some thought to exactly the point you've made, because I've been using Instacart lately. My reason for avoiding a grocery store is not concern that I'll personally be infected but instead its concern that I have contact with too many people at work so I can't justify having any other contact with folks outside my own household right now, lest I be a source of exposure to others. I agree with you the logic of decreasing the number of human exposures breaks down at some point. But Instacart and grocery chains could/do work on minimizing risk to their employees and exactly how they conduct business is outside of my control. All I can do is control my own variables while not being blind to the impact on others.
 
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