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Eating a meat based diet

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This might ruffle some feathers, but here's a new study published recently and is being reported by ABC news today. A year ago, I would have scoffed at this report, but after seeing my blood pressure and cholesterol numbers drastically reduced by going on a vegetarian diet and by taking a more active lifestyle, I'm a believer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_Diet...ed-increased-mortality-risk/story?id=15901365
 

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Ive been reading and talking about it, but I havent done it yet. I intend to go to a plant based diet...like Bill Clinton..Im trying to get my wife to go along, but if she doesn't Ill go it alone
 

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Ive been reading and talking about it, but I havent done it yet. I intend to go to a plant based diet...like Bill Clinton..Im trying to get my wife to go along, but if she doesn't Ill go it alone

Ron, here's a recent thread that explains what changed my lifestyle. The CHIP program provides all you need to know to follow the Bill Clinton type of plan. I highly recommend the program.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149509
 

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This is a powerful message

My husband and I cut back on our meat consumption many years ago but at the same time increased our consumption of cheese and other dairy. Yes, we would pat ourselves on the back by skipping a cheeseburger supper and having a healthy cheese omelet with cottage cheese instead.
Two weeks ago my DIL and son came over and showed us a movie called Forks over Knives. Opened my eyes and although we will not go totally vegan or even vegetarian we will make it a habit to have vegan meals as often as 2 or 3 times a week. Once we have used up the meat and cheese (very slowly now) we will cut back on those purchases. Went to the doctor's today for annual checkup and she totally approved. She went vegetarian many years ago.
This, I believe will be the next great movement that the boomers will be part of. What is more important but to look after our health? I see more and more young people choosing to eat in a sustainable manner. Not just eat but to avoid overconsumption and excess in all things. Good for them.
 

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I have always wondered how genetics affect a person's ideal diet. When I was in college, I went on exchange to England. While I was there, I ate a vegetarian diet, not vegan because I occasionally had cheese. I did this because of financial reasons, not for health reasons. Even after 3,4, even 6 months, I craved meat EVERY DAY. It was also during the time of Mad Cow disease, before they figured out what caused it, so that helped keep me away from meat, too.

Since the first of this year, I have been doing a low carb diet. I basically eat meat, preferably low fat, and green leafy veggies. I have lost almost 30 pounds in 10 weeks. Once the sugar cravings abated after the first week, it has been easy. I have been on MANY diets, and this is by far the easiest and best for me. Diabetes runs in both my mother and father's side of the family, and I have a Germanic, muscular body type. My DH on the other had, has a naturally lean body type and he and his family tend toward high cholesterol. He has added a lot more whole grains and fresh fruit and veggies and he feels great. I have often wondered if we have each found the perfect diet for our own body types and and genetic make up. Trying to eat the same way does not seem to work for us.
 

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I like these quotes from the story "The more red meat you eat, the more likely you are to die" and "Eating just one serving more of red mead a day can increase your risk of death by 12%".

Umm, I think regardless of what I eat, my chances are the same as everyone else.

It is all about moderation. Should you eat red meat every day? No. Can you have it one or two times a week? Sure.
 

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I have always wondered how genetics affect a person's ideal diet. When I was in college, I went on exchange to England. While I was there, I ate a vegetarian diet, not vegan because I occasionally had cheese. I did this because of financial reasons, not for health reasons. Even after 3,4, even 6 months, I craved meat EVERY DAY. It was also during the time of Mad Cow disease, before they figured out what caused it, so that helped keep me away from meat, too.

Since the first of this year, I have been doing a low carb diet. I basically eat meat, preferably low fat, and green leafy veggies. I have lost almost 30 pounds in 10 weeks. Once the sugar cravings abated after the first week, it has been easy. I have been on MANY diets, and this is by far the easiest and best for me. Diabetes runs in both my mother and father's side of the family, and I have a Germanic, muscular body type. My DH on the other had, has a naturally lean body type and he and his family tend toward high cholesterol. He has added a lot more whole grains and fresh fruit and veggies and he feels great. I have often wondered if we have each found the perfect diet for our own body types and and genetic make up. Trying to eat the same way does not seem to work for us.

I lost a lot of weight many years ago on a low carb diet. The problem is as soon as you go off of it, you are done. Trying to go back on it is nearly impossible. After two or three days of eggs, you are sick of them. Any change in diet in a positive manner is a lifestyle change. Many peoples (us previously included) lifestyle is to eat many meals out. The problem is that most restaurant meals are the equivalent of two or three servings. a 12oz steak is three to four times the size anyone should eat in a single serving. The sides are just as bad.

It ended up coming down to portion sizes for us. We ate far larger portions than is considered a standard portion size. As indicated in the 2012 weight loss thread, I have been pretty successful by just simply cutting back on portions.
 

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I like these quotes from the story "The more red meat you eat, the more likely you are to die" and "Eating just one serving more of red mead a day can increase your risk of death by 12%".

Umm, I think regardless of what I eat, my chances are the same as everyone else.

You must have missed this quote... :)

Swapping red meat for healthy protein sources, such as poultry, fish, legumes and whole grains was linked to a decrease in mortality risk, ranging from 7 percent for fish to 19 percent for nuts.
 

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It's getting past those sugar cravings that's my problem. I can do just fine all day, but at 3 in the morning leafy greens or omelets just don't do the trick. It's either ice cream, brownies, peanut butter, or almonds when they're in the house, and when they're not, just about anything sweet I can find (with my miner's helmet, if you're keeping up with the kitchen gadgets thread) :D .

(I'm not sure why almonds are on the list of things that substitute for sweets....but they do.....and I know they're good for me, but they're so high in calories!)
 

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We have become a society of extremes.

If you exhibit moderation, there is no need to cut anything out.

True story. :)
 

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We have become a society of extremes.

If you exhibit moderation, there is no need to cut anything out.

True story. :)

Except for those that want to actually LOWER their cholesterol and blood pressure numbers, I'd agree with that. A vegetarian diet does lower those numbers and provides no side effects. If you want results, you've got to make it happen.
 

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Except for those that want to actually LOWER their cholesterol and blood pressure numbers, I'd agree with that. A vegetarian diet does lower those numbers and provides no side effects. If you want results, you've got to make it happen.

Ace, I'm not arguing that your diet is not a good one. However, adopting a more active lifestyle will also lower cholesterol and blood pressure. So will losing weight, which I'm guessing you did.

I lowered my already-normal cholesterol this past year by losing weight & exercising. Continued to eat plenty of meat, including red meat 1-2 times per week.

The study you cite involved people who ate red meat daily, which is where the comment about moderation is coming from I think.

A study like that does not prove red meat is bad. It may be proving that the lack of fish, chicken, nuts, etc is bad. Those foods contain a variety of micronutrients and healthy fats, if you don't eat them, your health is the poorer. It may actually be that if you are almost exclusively eating red meat, you are missing out on these other nutrients. It would be like if a person had a shelf full of vitamins and all they took every day was B1. Then some study comes by and finds the B1 consumers get more colds than the people who take a many different vitamins, including vitamin C. You could not conclude in that study that vitamin B1 causes colds, it more likely is that the responsible factor is the lack of vitamin C.

Another important thing to realize is that not all beef is created equal. Grass-fed beef contains a healthier fat and micronutrient profile than does conventional corn-fed beef and grass-fed beef makes many of the lists of so-called super foods.

I could not be more happy for you with the health benefits you've achieved and more power to you for wanting to share the wealth. I am just not convinced the study you cite here really makes the point that beef is bad or that a vegetarian diet is superior.

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Ace, I'm not arguing that your diet is not a good one. However, adopting a more active lifestyle will also lower cholesterol and blood pressure. So will losing weight, which I'm guessing you did.

I lowered my already-normal cholesterol this past year by losing weight & exercising. Continued to eat plenty of meat, including red meat 1-2 times per week.

Fair point. I can tell you that last summer I was working out for at least 2 hours a day and have continued to work out during my lunch hour. I've always wondered how much credit was due to diet and how much was exercise. I think it was a combination of both.

The part I did not realize was that it is possible to significantly lower your numbers. I've seen too many examples to not be convinced.

Please don't get the wrong idea. I am NOT saying this is the only approach. I am really not an expert on this matter (like I am at timeshares HA!)... only sharing my personal results. Everyone can take away from it what they wish.
 

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Let's make sure we aren't being mislead by statistics. There's a 20% greater health risk for those who eat processed red meat every day. What that means is that if there's a 1% chance of having a heart attack, then those who eat processed red meat every day have a 1.2% chance of having a heart attack. That's 1 extra in 500. It's the difference between 10 in 1000 and 12 in 1000.

So weigh the risk, but weigh it with full knowledge. If you like vegetables just fine, and don't mind eating smaller amounts of meat and having meatless days (and there are a lot of reasons to like that), then by all means, eat less meat. If, on the other hand, you love your beef stew and burgers, you might not find the reduction in risk worth the change in satisfaction.
 

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"Eating a Meat Based Diet" put me "off" from opening this thread

I thought that it was going to be a thread for a new study promoting a meat-based diet. I'm no vegetarian by any stretch of the imagination, but I was glad to find out this thread wasn't what I thought it was.

Everything in moderation as "they" say (for the most part) . :D
 

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Except for those that want to actually LOWER their cholesterol and blood pressure numbers, I'd agree with that. A vegetarian diet does lower those numbers and provides no side effects. If you want results, you've got to make it happen.

You can lower both of those while not cutting out anything completely. You can have a well rounded, healthy diet, with moderate exercise and not have to cut out any particular food completely.

Once again, moderation. :)
 

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You can lower both of those while not cutting out anything completely. You can have a well rounded, healthy diet, with moderate exercise and not have to cut out any particular food completely.

Once again, moderation. :)

true. my brother lowered his "bad choley" significantly by adding fruit smoothies for breakfast. He told me that was the only change he made (it was after I bought him a Magic Bullet for Christmas a few years ago). He had previously not been a breakfast eater before so seems funny to add in order to subtract. Prob'ly more to do with metabolism, feeding the body in the morning.

Meanwhile, we all have 100% chance of death. George Burns smoked and drank and lived to be quite elderly while sometimes people "that do everything right" depart much too early. :shrug:

Agree with moderation. "I can never..." is not something easy to live with. Deprivation is not a method for success with me.
 

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Genetics plays a huge part of the way we look and the way we can handle carbs and sugar. I am built like my grandma, who died at 93 last year. My sister and aunt are built just like her too. We all have the same body type, and seriously, from the neck down, you couldn't tell any of us apart.

My mom was skinny and died at 65, but she smoked. So who knows? But she was never built like Grandma.

Low protein diets don't work for me, and so I eat eggs and bacon for breakfast every day. I have lost a significant amount of weight in the last 15 months. I used to eat cereal with milk. I haven't had cereal since 12/26/2010. I don't miss it, but at first I was craving my cereal daily.

I drink protein shakes and eat bars or salad and vegetables, tuna is another thing I enjoy.

But for dinner, it's almost always red meat, but I eat chicken and fish a few times per week, too. Is my cholesterol high? A bit more than it used to be, but Rick's is down 30 points. Do I eat a lot of meat? Not really. 4-6 ozs a day is about it.
 

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Meanwhile, we all have 100% chance of death. George Burns smoked and drank and lived to be quite elderly while sometimes people "that do everything right" depart much too early. :shrug:
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Yea, nobody gets out of this alive.

I have never been a big red meat eater - mostly chicken, fish and rarely pork.

I dropped my bad cholesterol 15 points by cutting out mayonnaise and subbing mustard.

I'm not sure if modern (kraft) mayonnaise is vegetarian or not.
 

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So, here's the facts. This is a well documented study on over 120,000 people that says eating a single serving of red meat per day is the cause of 13% of early deaths. And eating a single serving of processed meat (i.e. bacon) per day is the cause of 20% of early deaths.

Everyone can take it and interpret it as it is. And we're all free to draw our own conclusions. :)

This is a significant study that I think we'll be hearing about for a long time in the future.
 

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I get really upset when people look at statistics and jump conclusions. Eating red meat may indeed shorten the lifespan, but then may be some other factor that causes people to crave red meat and make other unhealthy life style choices. Let's see a controlled study of people that eat red meat and have half of them change their diet to see if it really increases the lifespan.

So many times I see statistics that indicate a connection might exist and people assume that one causes the other. Did you know that owning a Mercedes can cause baldness? I did a study and found out that a higher percentage of Mercedes owners are bald compared to people that own other cars. Never mind that you are usually older before you can afford a Mercedes.
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So, here's the facts. This is a well documented study on over 120,000 people that says eating a single serving of red meat per day is the cause of 13% of early deaths. And eating a single serving of processed meat (i.e. bacon) per day is the cause of 20% of early deaths.

Everyone can take it and interpret it as it is. And we're all free to draw our own conclusions. :)

This is a significant study that I think we'll be hearing about for a long time in the future.

You know statistics can be skewed anyway you want, right? :)

I stick by my moderation mantra.

Besides, what good is living to be old if you cant enjoy your life on the way there?
 

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I looked into the study a bit. It did NOT say that red meat increased chance of death. It also said that 1-2 servings a week would not increase risk of heart disease.
Processed meats were very bad but I think that we have all known for a while that the preservatives and nitrates were not good for us.

It is becoming more clear that the type of meat matters. Grass fed beef is actually very good for you giving you the good saturated fats that are needed in our brains and allowing fat soluble vitamins to be absorbed into our bodies.

When I found out that I was gluten intolerant I cut out all starchy carbs to let my gut heal. I ate meat, poultry, fish, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seed as I felt like. I lost 40 pounds.

That is what worked for me and my cholesterol numbers all improved as well.

There are many studies and many pieces of advice but as someone else has said, finding out what works for you and doing that is the way to go.
 

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I looked into the study a bit. It did NOT say that red meat increased chance of death.


Where did you look? From the article...

A daily serving of processed meat carried an even bigger risk. Eating one hotdog or two strips of bacon per day was associated with a 20 percent increased risk of death, according to the study.
 
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