"Dying Traditions of boomers"

[jp10558]

MSN

Yes, this entire site is fluff, but it also (maybe good for us? IDK) perpetuates the now well debunked "broke Millennial" stereotype as well as assumes that a camper van (unless it's your only house) is cheaper. I remember "timesharetraveller" did some compelling math on why RVs are not a way for cheap travel some people seem to think, and most people I know (or know of) with RVs find they're a lot like boats - a money pit. Which isn't a problem except in the misleading comparison to being a cheaper option to much.

#6 Woof, more comments - Checks seem to be being brought back as we've talked here, mostly by businesses that want to for some reason add fees to online payments of various sorts.

#7 - Shopping malls are dying, but there are good reasons to want a local clothes store for some people. Online shopping is great if you literally don't care about anything but price and if it fits, and are willing to make several round trips for "trying things on" and "sending back what doesn't fit" - usually involving going to the post office IME, but maybe you can send it back using a printer (also unlikely for younger people to have) and can convince the mail carrier to pick up things that don't fit in your mailbox. This means instead of 1 day of hell you can spread it out over weeks waiting for deliveries going both ways. You're also "floating" the cost of the clothes in there, which you don't do while trying on clothes at a store. Some places don't bill you up front, but it's far from universal online.

#12, IDK - as we've discussed here a lot - many smaller businesses out my way are cash only or offering what is effectively a 3-4% discount for paying cash.

#13 - some content sucks on a screen, mostly because we don't have affordable and equally light screens as paper for magazine sized, or even in many cases traditional paperback sized displays. I love manga, glossy magazine content, etc, but much of that is formatted for a bigger screen than my phone or even my tablet. Some are getting reformulated like "webtoons" but apps like Readly show how bad trying to read many magazines on a phone is. And digital things are somehow often harder to share with a family member or friend than a magazine due to all the DRM stuff. Plus if I have a cool picture in a magazine, I don't have to worry if whoever has the right tool to view it, they just need working eyes. This is solvable, but I kind of doubt it will be solved exactly - I think traditional things will just go away.

 

[Brett]

MSN

Yes, this entire site is fluff, but it also (maybe good for us? IDK) perpetuates the now well debunked "broke Millennial" stereotype as well as assumes that a camper van (unless it's your only house) is cheaper. I remember "timesharetraveller" did some compelling math on why RVs are not a way for cheap travel some people seem to think, and most people I know (or know of) with RVs find they're a lot like boats - a money pit. Which isn't a problem except in the misleading comparison to being a cheaper option to much.

#6 Woof, more comments - Checks seem to be being brought back as we've talked here, mostly by businesses that want to for some reason add fees to online payments of various sorts.

#7 - Shopping malls are dying, but there are good reasons to want a local clothes store for some people. Online shopping is great if you literally don't care about anything but price and if it fits, and are willing to make several round trips for "trying things on" and "sending back what doesn't fit" - usually involving going to the post office IME, but maybe you can send it back using a printer (also unlikely for younger people to have) and can convince the mail carrier to pick up things that don't fit in your mailbox. This means instead of 1 day of hell you can spread it out over weeks waiting for deliveries going both ways. You're also "floating" the cost of the clothes in there, which you don't do while trying on clothes at a store. Some places don't bill you up front, but it's far from universal online.

#12, IDK - as we've discussed here a lot - many smaller businesses out my way are cash only or offering what is effectively a 3-4% discount for paying cash.

#13 - some content sucks on a screen, mostly because we don't have affordable and equally light screens as paper for magazine sized, or even in many cases traditional paperback sized displays. I love manga, glossy magazine content, etc, but much of that is formatted for a bigger screen than my phone or even my tablet. Some are getting reformulated like "webtoons" but apps like Readly show how bad trying to read many magazines on a phone is. And digital things are somehow often harder to share with a family member or friend than a magazine due to all the DRM stuff. Plus if I have a cool picture in a magazine, I don't have to worry if whoever has the right tool to view it, they just need working eyes. This is solvable, but I kind of doubt it will be solved exactly - I think traditional things will just go away.

Checkbooks, cable, suits, malls, and ....

 

[rapmarks]

Oh boy, i am totally passé

 

[dioxide45]

Timeshares are on the way out, yet the timeshare industry seems to be growing and has higher and higher sales volume every year.

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

Say what you want about we boomers, we may have been good or bad - but we were never indifferent.

We changed a culture. . .

 

[Bodie]

MSN

Yes, this entire site is fluff, but it also (maybe good for us? IDK) perpetuates the now well debunked "broke Millennial" stereotype as well as assumes that a camper van (unless it's your only house) is cheaper. I remember "timesharetraveller" did some compelling math on why RVs are not a way for cheap travel some people seem to think, and most people I know (or know of) with RVs find they're a lot like boats - a money pit. Which isn't a problem except in the misleading comparison to being a cheaper option to much.

#6 Woof, more comments - Checks seem to be being brought back as we've talked here, mostly by businesses that want to for some reason add fees to online payments of various sorts.

#7 - Shopping malls are dying, but there are good reasons to want a local clothes store for some people. Online shopping is great if you literally don't care about anything but price and if it fits, and are willing to make several round trips for "trying things on" and "sending back what doesn't fit" - usuall ientreennvolving going to the post office IME, but maybe you can send it back using a printer (also unlikely for younger people to have) and can convince the mail carrier to pick up things that don't fit ieeeeeen your mailbox. This means instead of 1 day of hell you can spread it out over weeks waiting for deliveries going both ways. You're also "floating" the cost of the clothes in there, which you don't do while trying on clothes at a store. Some places don't bill you up front, but it's far from universal online.

#12, IDK - as we've discussed here a lot - many smaller businesses out my way are cash only or offering what is effectively a 3-4% discount for paying cash.

#13 - some content sucks on a screen, mostly because we don't have affordable and equally light screens as paper for magazine sized, or even in many cases traditional paperback sized displays. I love manga, glossy magazine content, etc, but much of that is formatted for a bigger screen than my phone or even my tablet. Some are getting reformulated like "webtoons" but apps like Readly show how bad trying to read many magazines on a phone is. And digital things are somehow often harder to share with a family member or friend than a magazine due to all the DRM stuff. Plus if I have a cool picture in a magazine, I don't have to worry if whoever has the right tool to view it, they just need working eyes. This is solvable, but I kind of doubt it will be solved exactly - I think traditional things will just go away.

That entire article is snarky and insipid. No doubt written by a

MSN

Yes, this entire site is fluff, but it also (maybe good for us? IDK) perpetuates the now well debunked "broke Millennial" stereotype as well as assumes that a camper van (unless it's your only house) is cheaper. I remember "timesharetraveller" did some compelling math on why RVs are not a way for cheap travel some people seem to think, and most people I know (or know of) with RVs find they're a lot like boats - a money pit. Which isn't a problem except in the misleading comparison to being a cheaper option to much.

#6 Woof, more comments - Checks seem to be being brought back as we've talked here, mostly by businesses that want to for some reason add fees to online payments of various sorts.

#7 - Shopping malls are dying, but there are good reasons to want a local clothes store for some people. Online shopping is great if you literally don't care about anything but price and if it fits, and are willing to make several round trips for "trying things on" and "sending back what doesn't fit" - usually involving going to the post office IME, but maybe you can send it back using a printer (also unlikely for younger people to have) and can convince the mail carrier to pick up things that don't fit in your mailbox. This means instead of 1 day of hell you can spread it out over weeks waiting for deliveries going both ways. You're also "floating" the cost of the clothes in there, which you don't do while trying on clothes at a store. Some places don't bill you up front, but it's far from universal online.

#12, IDK - as we've discussed here a lot - many smaller businesses out my way are cash only or offering what is effectively a 3-4% discount for paying cash.

#13 - some content sucks on a screen, mostly because we don't have affordable and equally light screens as paper for magazine sized, or even in many cases traditional paperback sized displays. I love manga, glossy magazine content, etc, but much of that is formatted for a bigger screen than my phone or even my tablet. Some are getting reformulated like "webtoons" but apps like Readly show how bad trying to read many magazines on a phone is. And digital things are somehow often harder to share with a family member or friend than a magazine due to all the DRM stuff. Plus if I have a cool picture in a magazine, I don't have to worry if whoever has the right tool to view it, they just need working eyes. This is solvable, but I kind of doubt it will be solved exactly - I think traditional things will just go away.

Actually, that entire article article is insipid and snarky. Assume it was written by a Millennial

 

[jp10558]

That entire article is snarky and insipid. No doubt written by a


Actually, that entire article article is insipid and snarky. Assume it was written by a Millennial

I actually wonder if it was written by AI. There's really nothing about a Millennial that would make them more snarky and insipid than any other generation writing fluff pieces.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I presume the FAX machine is already gone - except for Social Security offices.

 

[dioxide45]

I presume the FAX machine is already gone - except for Social Security offices.

And attorneys, banks, mortgage companies, healthcare, real estate. Actual fax machines may be getting replaced by 3-in-1 devices and computer software, but the protocols are still used to transmit billions of of faxes every year.

 

[jp10558]

And attorneys, banks, mortgage companies, healthcare, real estate. Actual fax machines may be getting replaced by 3-in-1 devices and computer software, but the protocols are still used to transmit billions of of faxes every year.

For reasons outside of "tradition" no one understands. Real phone lines are getting scarce for one thing. Fax protocols are completely insecure - their "security" was POTS and being separate from the internet, but now I'd bet many many Fax users are actually on some commodity VoIP service like RingCentral, so you're in the same place as e-mail - hoping each connection along the way is actually secure.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

that is a click-bait headline if I ever saw one.
Young'uns get to laugh at the old-fogies. Old-fogies get to reminisce. Thanks to all who listed them so I can skip another link

 

[WaikikiFirst]

entire article article is insipid and snarky. Assume it was written by a Millennial

LOL. W/o reading, I gave it a 60/40 chance of being that (prob under 30 yr old, is that a "Millenial"?) or being cringe reminiscing by an old-fogie.

 

[dioxide45]

These aren't only traditions of boomers, there is another entire generation in there which I am part of, GenX. Why didn't we get a fancy name?

 

[jorcus]

For reasons outside of "tradition" no one understands. Real phone lines are getting scarce for one thing. Fax protocols are completely insecure - their "security" was POTS and being separate from the internet, but now I'd bet many many Fax users are actually on some commodity VoIP service like RingCentral, so you're in the same place as e-mail - hoping each connection along the way is actually secure.

The death of the fax has more to do with services like Docusign. Almost all documents are transmitted better by files but the signature verification part was keeping faxes around for documents that had to be signed. There may be closed loop secure systems that may need to use fax for verification but they are getting fewer and farther between.

 

[chapjim]

I presume the FAX machine is already gone - except for Social Security offices.

Back a while, I worked for a company that had fax as the only way of sending documents.

 

[artringwald]

For reasons outside of "tradition" no one understands. Real phone lines are getting scarce for one thing. Fax protocols are completely insecure - their "security" was POTS and being separate from the internet, but now I'd bet many many Fax users are actually on some commodity VoIP service like RingCentral, so you're in the same place as e-mail - hoping each connection along the way is actually secure.

If you can tap a phone line you can record and view the fax documents without knowledge of the sender or receiver. I know because I used to work for a company that could do that.

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

And attorneys, banks, mortgage companies, healthcare, real estate. Actual fax machines may be getting replaced by 3-in-1 devices and computer software, but the protocols are still used to transmit billions of of faxes every year.

As an attorney I really do wish faxing would just die already. Everyone is using electronic faxing anyway, including attorneys and courts with virtual fax numbers, and it is so stupid. It just creates extra steps versus sending emails with attachments.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

The death of the fax has more to do with services like Docusign.

Even an electronically signed and locked .pdf using any number of commercially available programs is more secure than faxing at this point. There's just no reason for it.

 

[HitchHiker71]

These aren't only traditions of boomers, there is another entire generation in there which I am part of, GenX. Why didn't we get a fancy name?

The nomad generation is the generally the least popular and appreciated generation of all the four archetypes from what I've read. We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the generations for sure.

 

[joestein]

As an attorney I really do wish faxing would just die already. Everyone is using electronic faxing anyway, including attorneys and courts with virtual fax numbers, and it is so stupid. It just creates extra steps versus sending emails with attachments.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dioxide45]

As an attorney I really do wish faxing would just die already. Everyone is using electronic faxing anyway, including attorneys and courts with virtual fax numbers, and it is so stupid. It just creates extra steps versus sending emails with attachments.

So why hasn't it gone away? There must still be a reason they use it?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

So why hasn't it gone away? There must still be a reason they use it?

Inertia. There really isn't a good reason.

 

[ScoopKona]

The nomad generation is the generally the least popular and appreciated generation of all the four archetypes from what I've read. We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the generations for sure.

When the GI/Greatest generation exited society, they were mourned as a cohort as they passed. It was the same with the Lost Generation before them. The Silents are leaving without much attention at all, let alone fanfare.

It will be the same with GenX. They'll depart, and nobody will much notice except immediate family. That's better than "and good riddance!" -- which is the fate of unpopular generations.

 

[dioxide45]

Inertia. There really isn't a good reason.

The old saying. If something works, don't fix it?

For the most part, with modern software, fax works just like email for most senders and recipients.

 

[emeryjre]

So why hasn't it gone away? There must still be a reason they use it?

One possible reason
Boomers must still run all of the important offices and haven't kept up to date with new technology