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DVC moving to II effective Jan 1 2022 [MERGED]

JohnB3

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Were any of those matches 2 bedrooms? That is our sticky wicket--I currently see a one bedroom SSR for the week they want but with a family of 5 (3 teens) way too tight. We just put in an ongoing request for a 2 bedroom (Using a 2 bedroom exchange) but debating just grabbing a Lakeshore Reserve or 3 bedroom Grand Vista and calling it a day.
Got to agree with @bnoble I'd be surprised if we see two bed dvc deposited. One bed is the last thing to book in DVC at SSR, OKW & AKV and that's been the majority of what's been deposited over the past few years. It looks to me like DVC is waiting until after the 7 month non home resort booking window has passed to select inventory to deposit and then selecting the units to deposit based on what's left. All the studio portion of the 2 bed lock offs get taken by DVC members so the only 2 bed inventory that might be available are the dedicated 2 bed units and if you want to book a 2 bed those are better (and separately bookable in DVC). I just don't think the process Disney is using is likely to result in 2 beds being deposited to II however I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again :)
 

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Wow my head is spinning. So many of you are very savvy with trading into Disney. Was doing some more exploring on the Orlando getaways offered.....yesterday it just wasn’t working at all, was getting the blue circle of death just like I get on the DVC members website. Today it worked...I was shocked to see that Liki Tiki is being offered. That is the place someone gave me and after 3 years was able to give it back to Diamond. I don’t think I would ever stay there no matter how cheap. It’s old and creepy.
But I will definitely be further checking out the Sheraton Vistiana...short getaways are also offered. Would like to bookend my DVC stays...we can stay longer now that we are retired and moved so we are only 8 hours away by car instead of 17.
 

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Some of you seem to believe that exchanges into DVC are unicorns. RCI had huge inventory. Remember, as Denise M always says, what you are seeing online is leftovers after exchange requests are fulfilled. RCI Points inventory sat online, but I believe RCI had the power to change that inventory back to weeks to satisfy ongoing search requests because I had ongoing requests match and would check for different check-in days for that week in Points, rarely did I see inventory there for the week I matched.

Further proof that RCI had huge inventory was the extreme number of DVC week rentals on Redweek and ebay. I couldn't believe how many people were renting dates. Some guy named Vacationbooker on ebay had dozens of weeks at once. When I asked him about it, he said he works for RCI and those rules don't apply to him. I knew they were exchanges by the $190 fee in the ads.

I always got what I wanted from ongoing searches, except October, November and December. Those are the tough ones.
I agree there were huge bulk deposits of DVC into RCI.

I partially disagree with "what you are seeing online is leftovers after exchange requests are fulfilled." Many of the deposits were "points" (in 7-day increments) and not "weeks" and for RCI Points owners it was simply "come and get 'em" once availability was posted for all to see.

The other thing that is a lack of transparency in RCI and II is when a week is posted as available, you do not know if there is 1 of them or 50 of them available (if it is the same week of the same unit type).
 

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So other than all those other timeshare systems affiliated with II being able to "sell the dream" of DVC and II being able to sell that to other potential affiliates, DVC really doesn't bring much if anything to the table for II. It doesn't sound like it is a big revenue earner for II and I doubt DVC is paying anything for the affiliation?
I have been thinking about this topic a fair amount as well. There certainly is symbolic value that II now has DVC. My guess is some resorts may want to affiliate with II versus RCI because they can market the Disney dream as you mention.

It seems to me some active timeshare folks who study the game and own "treaders" may shift some of their ownership from properties that trade in RCI to ones that trade in II, but that does not necessarily hurt RCI or benefit II as much as it may at least temporarily impact the price of "trader units."

Where I see as being more of an immediate gain for II is that people that own dually affiliated resorts and want to go to Disney, they are certainly more likely to deposit with II. This being said, DVC moving to II in and of itself is not a major shift in the timesharing universe or anything.

What may be most helpful to II (and Marriott) though over time ..... is this may contribute to pushing RCI toward a tipping point where it is even further behind in being and has little to offer to those wanting to trade into high end units. For instance, if HGVC also leaves RCI in the near to mid-term future that is a fairly big collective blow to RCI being attractive as an exchange on the premium side of things. What would then be the big kahuna in RCI? Vacation Village or BlueGreen (other than of course Wyndham ... which owns RCI)?
 

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What may be most helpful to II (and Marriott) though over time ..... is this may contribute to pushing RCI toward a tipping point where it is even further behind in being and has little to offer to those wanting to trade into high end units. For instance, if HGVC also leaves RCI in the near to mid-term future that is a fairly big collective blow to RCI being attractive as an exchange on the premium side of things. What would then be the big kahuna in RCI? Vacation Village or BlueGreen (other than of course Wyndham ... which owns RCI)?
We own Wyndham points and DVC points. We specifically like our Wyndham points for their panhandle resorts, Gatlinburg, and Wyndham Bonnet Creek close to Epcot and Hollywood studios. Most of the big brands don’t have anything near the ocean in the panhandle or in Gatlinburg. We have also been able to trade Wyndham points into hidden gem ocean resorts thru RCI in the Treasure Island gulf side area of Florida and Cocoa Beach area of Florida. RCI/Wyndham shines for us because of the locations we want.
 

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Looks like II recently put in filters in order to see Disney's Saratoga Springs. As of today, my one bedroom Platinum Marriott Grand Chateau is no longer able to see the one bedroom DSS. My two bedroom does pull one bedroom DSS. Curiously, my Platinum two bedroom Grand Chateau with an E-Plus Retrade attached does not see the one bedroom DSS. There is either a quirk in the system or very discreet filtering taking place.
 

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We own Wyndham points and DVC points. We specifically like our Wyndham points for their panhandle resorts, Gatlinburg, and Wyndham Bonnet Creek close to Epcot and Hollywood studios. Most of the big brands don’t have anything near the ocean in the panhandle or in Gatlinburg. We have also been able to trade Wyndham points into hidden gem ocean resorts thru RCI in the Treasure Island gulf side area of Florida and Cocoa Beach area of Florida. RCI/Wyndham shines for us because of the locations we want.
I agree that Wyndham is a great addition to DVC. I purchased my Wyndham points on EBAY and currently have over 700k. I mostly use them for NYC Midtown 45, Atlantic City, The Poconos, National Harbor and Newport RI. We have also stated at Bonnet Creek. Wyndham resorts may not be as high a quality as Marriott but they have so many more resorts and we are looking forwand to Smokey Mountains and Branson and even Dolphin Cove since Disneyland is so hard to book with DVC.
 

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I just checked and my Marriott One bedroom can see DVC, but not my Hyatt. I would think Hyatt would pull the same as the Marriott. Any thoughts.
 

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I just checked and my Marriott One bedroom can see DVC, but not my Hyatt. I would think Hyatt would pull the same as the Marriott. Any thoughts.
Try searching again. My Hyatt can see 8 weeks at Saratoga springs in June and July.
 
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