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DOT probe seeks to determine if frequent flyer programs are fair to travelers.

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" accusing airlines of potentially illegal points devaluations and other accounting techniques"

LOL. You think??????? [Public policy political criticism removed]

"not consumer-friendly."

It might be fair to say that actually requiring consumers to do anything beyond counting to 10 on fingers is being "not consumer-friendly".
 
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" accusing airlines of potentially illegal points devaluations and other accounting techniques"

LOL. You think??????? but if the DoT wanted to do some real good, they would take over the DoE and start firing everyone, until the US education system stopped churning out people who not only suck at math but are damned proud of it.

"not consumer-friendly."

It might be fair to say that actually requiring consumers to do anything beyond counting to 10 on fingers is being "not consumer-friendly".



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I'm guessing you "suck at math" ..... and/or you're not a teacher - - or a reality TV entertainer ... just a guess ;)
 
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Strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. Frequent flyer miles are a perk, not a right. When you sign up for a FF program, you acknowledge that the airline can change the rules and rewards any time they want. If that's not an acceptable condition, then you shouldn't sign up for the program.

Also note that this almost identical with the rules used in many timeshare programs, and the rules used by timeshare exchange companies.
 

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A friend of mine is still griping that american airline cancelled her points. Well they did, because she had no activity, and no credit card attached to the account that would keep the points alive.

If you are not good at setting reminders and paying attention to things in a timely manner, the FF miles, then TS will never work for you.
 
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Frequent flyer miles are a perk, not a right.
True. But when you choose a particular airline for every flight, book your rental car through their portal, use their credit card, and transfer your hotel points to their program, its a little different. Its as if the airline got all the extra revenue from the purchases, and then took away some or all of the rewards after the fact.
 

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True. But when you choose a particular airline for every flight, book your rental car through their portal, use their credit card, and transfer your hotel points to their program, its a little different. Its as if the airline got all the extra revenue from the purchases, and then took away some or all of the rewards after the fact.
But when you do that, you are also accepting the rules of the program. Which includes provisions that allow the airline to change or modify the program as they see fit.
 

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A friend of mine is still griping that american airline cancelled her points. Well they did, because she had no activity, and no credit card attached to the account that would keep the points alive.

If you are not good at setting reminders and paying attention to things in a timely manner, the FF miles, then TS will never work for you.
I was in a similar situation once with a airline and just sent a few emails out; was fortunate they restored all my miles it was over a year out, never hurts to ask.
 

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But when you do that, you are also accepting the rules of the program. Which includes provisions that allow the airline to change or modify the program as they see fit.
Many companies lose lawsuits in spite of what their terms and conditions indicate. In some cases they lose because of what they have in their terms and conditions. Are their terms and conditions fair, reasonable and legal? Credit card companies for years were allowed to increase interest rates. Those increases impacted not only new balances but also any balance that was already on the card. Thus allowing them to retroactivly increase the intererst rate on existing balances. Their disclosures allowed them to do that, but thier ability to do that is now gone. Interest rate changes (other than on rates based on prime) can only apply to new balances.

It should also be noted, that someone in government must have felt cheated or was wronged for them to look into this. Not because they are really trying to make things better for the consumer.
 

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Next up: hotel programs! :)
 

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I'd prefer it if points were fixed like the timeshare points and future points could be worth less by making them harder to earn, but the number of points needed for a stay or trip would remain the same for longish periods of time. That said, the dollar amount isn't fixed using cash, so points varying probably isn't unfair per se. Where I think there's a lot more ground for complaints and potential regulation would be around the structural confusions. I don't know about frequent flyer programs at all - I literally just joined one this year simply so I could use the United app. But a relative of mine has several accounts with miles and tells me it's often quite hard to use them. IDK if that's because of him or the programs, but nothing grinds my gears to have supposedly built up points yet you cannot use them.

The arguments about dynamic pricing is weak to me - first, sometimes it works in the consumers favor - simple supply and demand - the pricing is trying to encourage people to buy tickets but not overbook. My concern is the opaqueness - I think it's fine if it's the same price offered to everyone looking to book at that time for that seat, but if it's per person then I feel like it's unfair because the customers have no idea what the going price is - too much information disparity.

Extra Fees should be regulated out of existence in general IMHO. We should make drip pricing illegal and should again have the rule that if it "says that price on the shelf" (search engine result, first webpage, e-mail) that's the price to check out (maybe plus tax because for some reason politicians like to tell us the sales tax and make everyone do a lot of math). In terms of keeping an account active, I suppose there should be some allowed no activity time out, but it should be pretty long IMO - maybe 10 years.

Transfer fees probably should be limited to what banks might charge to do a transfer, which usually is $0. (ACH and Zelle).

I'd personally want to look at anything that starts to sound like "on the 29th of Feb when the moon is full and Mars is in retrograde you can use these points for a free flight!".

With hotel programs, I generally dislike the Marriott model of categories and you can only earn a free night for some set of lower categories. This seems to me like a completely arbitrary and generally confusing limit - and I can't really say why this is preferred compared to just setting the points values high enough to make it worth it (to Marriott) no matter the property - seemingly like Hilton does.

Personally, I feel like in the last 25 or so years I've been at all cognizant of flying and frequent flyer programs - they've never seemed like a good deal or worth bothering with. I don't think this is a new problem for the industry.

At the end of the day, I feel like most people I know just avoid the programs that don't seem "worth it". So on the practical side, I don't think Airlines are enough an outlier here for it to make sense to single them out IMHO - I feel like the market is fine, mostly valuing the programs as "cool if I can get something from it, but I don't actually think it has much value". I'd prefer to see national rules for everything around getting rid of the issues I pointed out above.
 

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Another case of being seen as “doing something!” probably little or no effect. If you don’t like the rules, don’t play the game.

Personally, it didn’t cost me much and I enjoyed (and still do) flying to Europe in Business Class for free for over 30 or so years.
 

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Of course they're not fair.
After all, life isn't fair. How do we know that?
Well, if _this life_ was considered to be fair...
Wouldn't that be a hell of a note.
-- paraphrasing a comedian --
 
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