Does this mean we can't rent out points at National Harbor?

[SNA27]

Switch to long-term stays by 1/1 to keep hosting
Because of short-term rental regulations in Prince George’s County, we’ve made some changes that will impact your listing(s) starting on January 1.

Starting on January 1, if you already allow guests to book stays of 31 nights or more, Airbnb will update your listing’s minimum length of stay to 31 nights.

If you currently block stays of 31 nights or longer, your listing will be temporarily deactivated until you set your minimum length of stay to 31 nights or more.

What will happen to my existing short-term bookings?
Airbnb will honor reservations for short-term stays (less than 31 nights) made before January 1. After January 1, guests won’t be able to book your listing for a stay that’s less than 31 days.

Can I register to host short-term stays in Prince George’s County?
We’re working on creating a way for you to add a registration number or valid exemption to your listing. We’ll let you know as soon as it’s complete so you can get back to hosting short-term stays.

If you have any questions about hosting in Prince George’s County, you can always learn more in our Help Center.

 

[am1]

My guess not through Airbnb.

 

[SNA27]

The same rules will apply to VRBO et al. What's up with Prince George's County, I wonder?

 

[SNA27]

Short-term rental regulations
Hosts in Prince George’s County are required to obtain a short-term rental license to host short-term stays (less than 31 days). You are eligible to obtain short-term rental license if the listing is your primary residence. You will be required to attest that the property is your permanent residence and demonstrate proof of ownership in the county’s online application.

Hosting limits
Prince George’s County limits the number of days a listing may host short-term rentals in a calendar year. Owner-occupied listings may host up to 180 days per calendar year. Listings not occupied by the owner may host up to 90 days per calendar year.

License requirements
You can apply for a permit through the county’s online registration system. You will be required to complete a neighbor notification process and upload some documents as a part of the application process - you can find the full list of required information in this checklist.

When you complete the online application and pay the $150 fee, you will be issued a 90-day temporary license to operate your rental. You can continue hosting with this temporary license while the county reviews your application. If your application is approved, the temporary license will convert to a permanent license at the end of the 90-day temporary license period.

Renewing your registration
You’ll need to renew your license annually and pay an annual $150 fee. Licenses expire one year from the date they are issued.

 

[SNA27]

Big government has gone berserk! I hope Airbnb can get exemptions for resort listings!

 

[Grammarhero]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...7b6b62-d6e3-11e8-a10f-b51546b10756_story.html

Try Wyndham Alexandria. I honestly think Wyndham Alexandria is better for out-of-town guests.

National Harbor is a fancier resort, but folks have to taxi or rent car/drive 15 min drive to the Huntington Metro, in which people can commute to the monuments or Natl Mall. Wyndham Alexandria is one-block away from the King Street Metro and requires no rental cars.

 

[dgalati]

I agree Old Town is a better location if you want to use the metro. Fly into Regan ride the metro to Old Town.

 

[Grammarhero]

Alexandria is a more organic, authentic, and historical city too. I feel National Harbor is too manufactured and touristy.

Historical things to do in Alexandria: https://www.visitalexandriava.com/things-to-do/historic-attractions-and-museums/key-to-the-city/ I noticed that the list left out the below:

Robert E Lee's Childhood Home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Boyhood_Home
Franklin and Armfield Slave Office, where slaves were imprisoned and sold, a somber place to visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_and_Armfield_Office

 

[Grammarhero]

https://www.visitalexandriava.com/things-to-do/

 

[dgalati]

Alexandria is a more organic, authentic, and historical city too. I feel National Harbor is too manufactured and touristy.

Things to do in Alexandria: https://www.visitalexandriava.com/things-to-do/historic-attractions-and-museums/key-to-the-city/ I noticed that the list left out the below:

Robert E Lee's Childhood Home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Boyhood_Home
Franklin and Armfield Slave Office, where slaves were imprisoned and sold, a somber place to visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_and_Armfield_Office

King street has many nice shops and restaurants. You can also take the Water taxi to National harbour or the Washington monument

 

[SNA27]

We stayed at National Harbor once to attend a wedding in Chantilly. That's where my accidental Airbnb hosting began. Gaylord Convention Center makes this a good rental.
Coming back to the thread, it's not clear if I need a license for each listing or one license will cover all of them. I hope Airbnb explains to the county the absurdity of clubbing resorts with other Airbnb home rentals and get an exemption for resorts! There's a Dominic and a few other mega-renters who have gazillion listings at National harbor. I hope they do something about this too.

 

[dgalati]

We stayed at National Harbor once to attend a wedding in Chantilly. That's where my accidental Airbnb hosting began. Gaylord Convention Center makes this a good rental.
Coming back to the thread, it's not clear if I need a license for each listing or one license will cover all of them. I hope Airbnb explains to the county the absurdity of clubbing resorts with other Airbnb home rentals and get an exemption for resorts! There's a Dominic and a few other mega-renters who have gazillion listings at National harbor. I hope they do something about this too.

What If it is a private party transaction and they are just guests of a owner and not a rental?

 

[Pathways]

What If it is a private party transaction and they are just guests of a owner and not a rental?

Help me here as your ?? doesn't make sense to me.

Guests of an owner would never be considered a 'transaction' or a rental, nor would it ever be listed on airbnb or any other site. Therefore none of this applies,

OTOH, even if it's your brother/mom, etc, if they are paying you anything of value to help defray your MF's, it is a rental.

 

[dgalati]

Help me here as your ?? doesn't make sense to me.

Guests of an owner would never be considered a 'transaction' or a rental, nor would it ever be listed on airbnb or any other site. Therefore none of this applies,

OTOH, even if it's your brother/mom, etc, if they are paying you anything of value to help defray your MF's, it is a rental.

You ever use paypal family and friends or just a personal check. Who knows what payment is for?

 

[jules54]

I don't agree that every time you use your Wyndham points for family, friends, fire fighters, nurses, teaches that it is a rental. That why higher level owners get guest certificates to put on reservations for their guests. Even classified rentals off Craigslist or other ad sites besides Airbnb or VRBO are all most impossible to track as rentals for IRS purposes.

 

[dgalati]

Help me here as your ?? doesn't make sense to me.

Guests of an owner would never be considered a 'transaction' or a rental, nor would it ever be listed on airbnb or any other site. Therefore none of this applies,

OTOH, even if it's your brother/mom, etc, if they are paying you anything of value to help defray your MF's, it is a rental.

Its called a guest certificate for a reason. It would be very hard to prove its a rental without a rental agreement.

 

[Pathways]

You ever use paypal family and friends or just a personal check. Who knows what payment is for?

Its called a guest certificate for a reason. It would be very hard to prove its a rental without a rental agreement.

I'm not here to judge whether it's appropriate to skirt any rules/laws. When my son gave me $25/night for his upcoming stay over New Year's, I'm certainly not reporting that anywhere. But if I'm in a courtroom, I would probably admit that that exchange has all of the elements to make it a 'rental'.

We all use the term 'guests' even if we charged them $3k. That doesn't change the fact if there was consideration involved that makes it a 'rental'.

I don't agree that every time you use your Wyndham points for family, friends, fire fighters, nurses, teaches that it is a rental.

I for one totally agree with this. In fact, if you are letting ANYONE just use it for free, it is not a rental. But if you charge any of these same people for the usage (If they just pay for the guest Cert if required, that would not apply), then it is in fact a rental. I don't know whether that needs to be reported anywhere as that's not my area of expertise.

 

[Pathways]

Its called a guest certificate for a reason. It would be very hard to prove its a rental without a rental agreement

Why would anyone need to 'prove' this one way or the other? Most of the timeshare groups allow rentals, so what's the issue? Now, if you are making a business of this, then it's all about proof. In that case, I think you better follow the advise of your accountant or counsel.

 

[Pathways]

You ever use paypal family and friends or just a personal check. Who knows what payment is for?

So if this money changed hands and it wasn't a rental, I guess the originator could sue you in small claims for a return of their 'loan' to you. Who knows what else the payment could have been for?

My guess is with lack of a document proving otherwise, Paypal would return the money if the sender ever contested it. After all, it was sent by 'mistake'

 

[dgalati]

So if this money changed hands and it wasn't a rental, I guess the originator could sue you in small claims for a return of their 'loan' to you. Who knows what else the payment could have been for?

My guess is with lack of a document proving otherwise, Paypal would return the money if the sender ever contested it. After all, it was sent by 'mistake'

Thats why I said use paypal family and friends. No recourse or return of funds using family and friends. If I deal with a stranger of course you should use the standard PayPal payment!

 

[dgalati]

Why would anyone need to 'prove' this one way or the other? Most of the timeshare groups allow rentals, so what's the issue? Now, if you are making a business of this, then it's all about proof. In that case, I think you better follow the advise of your accountant or counsel.

I have never rented any of my points. I use every one of them for my personal enjoyment. Disclaimer: I will rent from a VIP ownet when they pass along the 50% discount during the 60 day discount window if its cheaper then using my own.

 

[SNA27]

Revenons à Nos Moutons, s'il vous plaît!

Does anyone else have an Airbnb listing at National Harbor? Have you received this email from Airbnb? Any ideas on how to proceed?

 

[dgalati]

Revenons à Nos Moutons, s'il vous plaît!

Does anyone else have an Airbnb listing at National Harbor? Have you received this email from Airbnb? Any ideas on how to proceed?

Why use a middleman for something you can do yourself?

 

[SNA27]

Airbnb is the most convenient middleman I have found so far. They collect applicable taxes on my behalf and pay it to the proper tax jurisdictions. I am thinking about listing on VRBO as well.

I am not sure about eBay or Craigslist etc. While I have bought a lot on eBay and sold some Neverending Pasta Passes some years ago, I am not comfortable yet.

I am not comfortable doing rentals without written contracts. Verbal contracts are not legally binding in real estate transactions.

What are the other ways you would suggest? Nothing dicey, mind you! I don't like to operate on the bleeding edge!

Even in ERP software, I believed in staying back one solid release behind and let the bleeders go ahead and be a canary in the coal mine!

I really would have liked to use an emoji but, deferring to @Pathways and his undisclosed platform that cannot keep up with my browser on a wide-screen monitor, I will resist the urge! ;-)

 

[Grammarhero]

I don't agree that every time you use your Wyndham points for family, friends, fire fighters, nurses, teaches that it is a rental. That why higher level owners get guest certificates to put on reservations for their guests. Even classified rentals off Craigslist or other ad sites besides Airbnb or VRBO are all most impossible to track as rentals for IRS purposes.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc415 the IRS has ruled that unless your family pays fair rental price, family stays are not rentals.