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Do I want an II or RCI property?

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I know this might be a difficult question to answer and it probably depends on my preferences, but in general should I buy something within Wyndham that trades with II or RCI? I currently do not own any other Wyndham property. I've tried searching and have not found a thread directly on point. Does anyone have experience with both that can comment on which system trades better with Wyndham?
 

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Wyndham as an RCI trader is mediocre at best. You cannot see the hardest-to-get trades with generic point weeks, no matter how large your deposit. On the other hand, it works exceptionally well as a "value trader"---it's easy to get lower-demand weeks with very small-point deposits. There's also a non-trivial internal preference, giving you the ability to book Wyndham weeks at a discount by exchanging via RCI rather than booking internally.

I can't speak to II.

If I were buying something exclusively to trade, I would first investigate WorldMark or Bluegreen before making a commitment to buying Wyndham. Wyndham really is most effective used internally.
 

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How would you quantify very small point deposits?

I've owned a cheap week in Hawaii (non-Wyndham) for the last 5 years and have successfully traded it each year for two non-Hawaii weeks through DAE. We don't get much selection and the trades are ok but not spectacular. An example would be that we stayed in Orlando last week in a three bedroom at Westgate. Nice, but it's no Bonnet Creek.

We toured Bonnet Creek last week which got me thinking that it might be worthwhile to spend a little more and stay in nicer places. I found out that my Hawaii Week is essentially worthless and Wyndham points are extremely inexpensive.

How many points should I buy if I plan to trade for two weeks of a two bedroom each year during non-peak seasons? I was thinking 189,000 would be a good number.

Any II comments would be appreciated as well.
 

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I dissagree with you BNOBLE, I personally have gotten great trades using RCI and I have II. When I do a small points deposit and search at least 1 year out, I get to go most anyplace I like. With II it has been a challenge and that is with a Sheraton Vistana prime week.

So, my opinion, get a Wyndham Resale that trades with RCI.
 

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But, you're not comparing Wyndham points in the two systems. You're comparing Wyndham points in one system with a lesser resort in overbuilt orlando in the other.

Apples and celery.

The fact remains: there are plenty of prime weeks that, at the moment, Wyndham generics cannot see in RCI. For example, Manhattan Club cannot be had with a generic in Weeks, no matter how many points you are willing to deposit to get it. You might snag it through PlusParters on the Points side, but not in Weeks.

That doesn't mean WynFSP is useless in RCI. It's not. You can catch a bulk bank, snag very nice units from over-deposited areas, and catch Wyndham-internal trades at a great discount. But, you aren't going to get the "good stuff".

For comparison, I have a fixed week, with MFs equivalent to a 105K generic, give or take. It sees vastly more than the 105K week sees, hands down.
 
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That may be true, but trades aren't going to be any better in II than RCI, and in my opinion, for the flexibility and prices. I have very happy with my Wyndham points deposits, as there are rare occassions that I don't get to trade to a location I want. As for Manhattan Club, so what, lots of other resorts don't see them.

Banking Wyndham with II doesn't mean it will pull what my Sheraton will pull, so I say its best to purchase a Wyndham with RCI...that's my story and I am sticking with it.

My opinion and my experience have been positive with RCI.
 
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I have both II and RCI with Wyndham. Wyndham trades very well with II you get generic online search capability. II deposit first is able to snag westin with on-going search.

There was an II trade test about a year or so ago listing what weeks could see what and Wyndham and WorldMark both trade quite well.

Wyndham generic does not trade well at all in RCI, they do however trade back into Wyndham very well.

Vincent.
 

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I have both II and RCI with Wyndham. Wyndham trades very well with II you get generic online search capability. II deposit first is able to snag westin with on-going search.

There was an II trade test about a year or so ago listing what weeks could see what and Wyndham and WorldMark both trade quite well.

Wyndham generic does not trade well at all in RCI, they do however trade back into Wyndham very well.

Vincent.

How many points do you have to put in to trade into a 2 bedroom in II?
 

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Sorry, I may have mis-spoke here, The II trade test was not on TUG, it's on the other forum.

Vincent.
 

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Which exchange company..?

Make your initial purchase based on the property you will actually own.. You can't control the resort's exchange affiliation (as Disney owners have recently discovered) so that should never be a main reason for buying..

Think of your timeshare like a birthday cake and your exchanges as the icing on the cake. If you don't like the cake itself- it probably won't matter how much icing you heap on top- you still won't want to take bite!

Normally, I only recommend a buyer really spend time considering a resort's current exchange affiliation if they already own a property and belong to one of the major exchanges.
 

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What do you mean by Wyndham generic?

It doesn't matter which Wyndham you buy, just the number of points, correct? I just bought Star Island which is affiliated with II but I've heard you can get them to set you up with RCI if you want. I don't know that I ever plan to visit Star Island. The maintenance fee was on the lower side.

Part of my reason for wanting II is because my wife likes the idea of being able to trade for Disney. Did they recently switch from II to RCI?
 
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In RCI a "generic" week is just denominated by a number of points---you cannot search online with a generic, and must call to exchange it. In contrast, a "visible" week is backed by a real week in your RCI account.

You can ask to have a visible week be deposited when you deposit WynFSP points to RCI, but you are not gauranteed to get one.
 

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When you deposit a Wyndham week with RCI or II, do you just give them a number of points? Or do you first pull a week somewhere with Wyndham and deposit that week? For example, would I be better off pulling a Bonnett Creek week and depositing that with RCI vs. reserving something like Wisconsin Dells and depositing that?
 

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Disney just changed to RCI. Also, Bonnet Creek is also on Disney's property, and its a really nice resort, definately a good buy...and I again say I like the trades I get with RCI over what I get with II.
 
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