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Detailed comparison of June 30, 2022 v May 1, 2026 MVC EXCHANGE COMPANY DISCLOSURE GUIDE FOR ABOUND BY MARRIOTT VACATIONS™ EXCHANGE PROGRAM

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Very substantial changes. The comparison, attached, is very helpful.

Each reader of these materials should analyze these documents, as they deem appropriate, and draw their own conclusions. This is not a report of Independent Audiors, and the poster assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of these documents, or the conclusions that readers draw. My best advice is for readers to consult the source, Marriott Vacations Worldwide, for additional, related information.
 

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In these new documents, the "exchange company" is Marriott's internal exchange company for Abound points?
 
Is there currently a waitlist process for Abound exchanges that I'm unaware of? Or are they now adding a waitlist process?
 
ABOUND TIERS COMPARISION: (edited from what was previously an AI generated table): The changes in the document being discussed are to the Abound system. Pinnacle and Reserve are new tiers that can book Abound reservations of any length (1+ day) starting at 13 months. There's also new language in the document that wait lists can now be made based on factors other than first come, first served. So it may be that Pinnacle and Reserve will have some new waitlist priority but this is not specified in the document. The annual club dues for Pinnacle and Reserve are much higher than other members, and the described early-booking advantages and probable waitlist priority don't seem to account for that increased cost- so its possible that Marriott intends to offer them other perks like booking discounts, access to select inventory (like residence clubs or other vacation products, ???).

If you are a weeks owner, you are not directly affected by this, other than to have your previous understanding that Marriott is focused on Abound, not weeks, reinforced.
 
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He have vse and while we always knew it was an exchange option this mentions affiliation. Renewal 2 year enrollment a lot. Is there a chance that vse is no longer part of abound if we don’t transfer it over now?
 
Is there currently a waitlist process for Abound exchanges that I'm unaware of? Or are they now adding a waitlist process?
Always has been a waitlist, its not new. Sometimes its "full" so they don't allow you to waitlist and you have to call to do it.
 
holy smokes this is alot to take in...going to take me a bit to digest this (and the other thread).... going to be a crazy summer for marriott owners!
 
It is my understanding that you are not comparing the same 2 documents. The disclosure guide is what is provided as part of the contract pack to new buyers and contains the regulatory and disclosure and statistics, plus the Abound exchange procedures. The 2022 document is just the Abound exchange procedures.

Please consider reviewing your comparison to limit it just to the comparison of the exchange procedures. The other information in the disclosure guide changes as the statistics for the ownership change, so is naturally going to vary over time.

The initiation fee and its level are not new in 2026, they are present in 2022 as well and well established.

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It is my understanding that you are not comparing the same 2 documents. The disclosure guide is what is provided as part of the contract pack to new buyers and contains the regulatory and disclosure and statistics, plus the Abound exchange procedures. The 2022 document is just the Abound exchange procedures.

Please consider reviewing your comparison to limit it just to the comparison of the exchange procedures. The other information in the disclosure guide changes as the statistics for the ownership change, so is naturally going to vary over time.

The initiation fee and its level are not new in 2026, they are present in 2022 as well and well established.

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I believe your observation may be valid (in the context of 86 pages of documents), however, the Content Experts (Industry Content Experts) that I talked to, believe that these documents are the prevailing documents of the generations in which they were published, govening the “Abound by Marriott Exchange Program.” I would not consider their findings prescriptive, or the result of Independent Auditors. I don’t doubt that what appeared in 2022 in one place, or in 2026 in another place, may be in a variety of places that the purchaser of Developer inventory receives on a CD (or some other means) when they purchase, which is further modified by the state of their purchase and the state of their residence (Public Offering Statement).

I invite anyone who wants to, to review 96 pages of documents, and to note their observations, speculation, conclusions, in this thread. Depending upon the quantity, and the willingness of the Industry Content Experts to review the volume of comments, I will be happy to take the comments, herein, to the Industry Content Experts. In my opinion, in the context of transparency, I would encourage MVW to prepare an Errata Sheet, that makes explicit note of the changes, additions, and deletions, between the two documents. Sadly, I’d speculate that 99% of the MVW purchasers do not look at these documents, nor, I speculate, that they understand the relationship that they are entering into and/or have with MVW.

The basis for the comparison is, largely, AI driven, and I suspect that a variety of AI platforms will have different findings/conclusions. No doubt that the data in, equals the data out, and if there are additional data, they should be added/factored into the analysis.

For me, I have plenty of information, to draw conclusions about the big picture, and MVW’s agenda (I see the forest through the trees). Also, I’ve not seen the variety of people, - - professed to be experts, in the vacation ownership industry, MVW ownership/membership, or armchair experts - - chime in, since they declared the new Disclosure Guide, simply an amendment that addressed the two new categories of membership (which was not an accurate statement).

I am confident that if someone wanted to pony up the money, a group of interested parties could hire a team of experts, to serve in a consultancy capacity, and to review the two documents, to provide an objective analysis of the two documents, and to describe the impact of the 2026 Exchange Company Disclosure on MVW owners/members.
 
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Hmmm. The discussion in the other thread seemed to add more value. I've read both documents; there are some changes, many of which I can follow as a lawyer that doesn't practice in this area. However, I don't understand the discussion about industry content experts that would serve as consultants for a pile of money or the source of the table in post #4. Might be just me, but I felt the old version was a bit of a slog reading for the typical user - the new one isn't much better for readability and does leave a fair amount to interpretation by the Exchange Company, Network Operator, et al., and the details of some of the aspects discussed in the other thread are to be provided elsewhere (if at all).

My major take aways are that someone is trying to generate sales between now and May of next year through the inclusion of the FOMO opportunity to get the fabulous new levels before the grandfathering period is over and that the Club dues for the two new levels are pretty darn high for the amount of actual value those members will get. Pinnacle members will be paying $430 per year more than Chairman's Club members in order to get some minor flexibility tweaks and discounts that I'm not really sure are worth that much annually. Kind of reminds me of the "freaking dick measuring contest" mentioned in a recent post about the upper tiers in HGV and United.
 
Hmmm. The discussion in the other thread seemed to add more value. I've read both documents; there are some changes, many of which I can follow as a lawyer that doesn't practice in this area. However, I don't understand the discussion about industry content experts that would serve as consultants for a pile of money or the source of the table in post #4. Might be just me, but I felt the old version was a bit of a slog reading for the typical user - the new one isn't much better for readability and does leave a fair amount to interpretation by the Exchange Company, Network Operator, et al., and the details of some of the aspects discussed in the other thread are to be provided elsewhere (if at all).

My major take aways are that someone is trying to generate sales between now and May of next year through the inclusion of the FOMO opportunity to get the fabulous new levels before the grandfathering period is over and that the Club dues for the two new levels are pretty darn high for the amount of actual value those members will get. Pinnacle members will be paying $430 per year more than Chairman's Club members in order to get some minor flexibility tweaks and discounts that I'm not really sure are worth that much annually. Kind of reminds me of the "freaking dick measuring contest" mentioned in a recent post about the upper tiers in HGV and United.
Thank you for your comments.

My reference is not to the table in Post #4, as that table is barely worthy of my attention, personally. I refer to the totality of this document, "May 1, 2026 MVC EXCHANGE COMPANY DISCLOSURE GUIDE FOR ABOUND BY MARRIOTT VACATIONS™ EXCHANGE PROGRAM."
 
Hmmm. The discussion in the other thread seemed to add more value. I've read both documents; there are some changes, many of which I can follow as a lawyer that doesn't practice in this area. However, I don't understand the discussion about industry content experts that would serve as consultants for a pile of money or the source of the table in post #4. Might be just me, but I felt the old version was a bit of a slog reading for the typical user - the new one isn't much better for readability and does leave a fair amount to interpretation by the Exchange Company, Network Operator, et al., and the details of some of the aspects discussed in the other thread are to be provided elsewhere (if at all).

My major take aways are that someone is trying to generate sales between now and May of next year through the inclusion of the FOMO opportunity to get the fabulous new levels before the grandfathering period is over and that the Club dues for the two new levels are pretty darn high for the amount of actual value those members will get. Pinnacle members will be paying $430 per year more than Chairman's Club members in order to get some minor flexibility tweaks and discounts that I'm not really sure are worth that much annually. Kind of reminds me of the "freaking dick measuring contest" mentioned in a recent post about the upper tiers in HGV and United.
I don’t disagree with anything you are saying. But I thought I’d point out that Marriott has always justified the higher Club Dues for higher ownership levels as being a result of the fact that owners who own MORE will use more of the administrative resources (calls to owner services being the main one) and that the main purpose of the Club Dues was to defray the costs of those administrative resources. And so if you look at it that way, it makes sense that someone who owns and uses twice as many reservations should pay roughly twice as much for that fee.

In reality, of course, the club dues are just another profit center for MVC; it isn’t like they are breaking even on the maintenance fees and only eking by due to the club dues. They charge more for the higher OBLs because they can, and because those owners are presumed to have more resources in order to pay more.

Regardless, I don’t think they are saying that the fee is justified by the additional benefits, they have always tied it to the greater use of owner services and other resources.
 
Can someone help me understand this? I am a resale points owner and currently in escrow to obtain another MGC. I have no intention to enroll and only want to use II for exchanges. Do these new changes have anything to do with me? Are these changes only Abound point owners? Will this affect my acquisition of a new unit and should I back out of the deal? So many questions.
 
Can someone help me understand this? I am a resale points owner and currently in escrow to obtain another MGC. I have no intention to enroll and only want to use II for exchanges. Do these new changes have anything to do with me? Are these changes only Abound point owners? Will this affect my acquisition of a new unit and should I back out of the deal? So many questions.
Only affects pts owners. If you don’t plan to try to enroll for pts I don’t think it matters. I do wonder if more high pt week owners will elect for pts given the pts discount instead of depositing for trades through II especially with waitlist priority. They might be able to get in instead of waiting for a trade
 
H I don't understand the discussion ... the source of the table in post #4. ....

My major take aways are that someone is trying to generate sales between now and May of next year through the inclusion of the FOMO opportunity to get the fabulous new levels before the grandfathering period is over...

The source of the table in post #4 is Microsoft Copilot. My prompt was: Regarding the following document, if I am a "member", how does my use of the exchange company compare to other classes of members like "pinnacle" or "chairman"? hrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/file:///C:/Users/sas0241/Downloads/MVC%20EXCHANGE%20COMPANY%20DISCLOSURE%20GUIDE%20FOR%20ABOUND%20BY%20MARRIOTT%20VACATIONS%E2%84%A2%20EXCHANGE%20PROGRAM,%20May%20..%20(2).pdf

I was trying to get the gist.

My take aways were: there are going to be a few more people ahead of me in the Abound line. There are already a lot of people ahead of me in the Abound line. I'm not sure its going to matter much to me.
 
The source of the table in post #4 is Microsoft Copilot. My prompt was: Regarding the following document, if I am a "member", how does my use of the exchange company compare to other classes of members like "pinnacle" or "chairman"? hrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/file:///C:/Users/sas0241/Downloads/MVC%20EXCHANGE%20COMPANY%20DISCLOSURE%20GUIDE%20FOR%20ABOUND%20BY%20MARRIOTT%20VACATIONS%E2%84%A2%20EXCHANGE%20PROGRAM,%20May%20..%20(2).pdf

I was trying to get the gist.

My take aways were: there are going to be a few more people ahead of me in the Abound line. There are already a lot of people ahead of me in the Abound line. I'm not sure its going to matter much to me.
I would take what AI put together with a bucket of salt. It looks like a lot of wishy washy hallucinations based on large language models reading speculation on social media rather than the one ground truth document that has been revealed so far.
 
I am confident that if someone wanted to pony up the money, a group of interested parties could hire a team of experts, to serve in a consultancy capacity, and to review the two documents, to provide an objective analysis of the two documents, and to describe the impact of the 2026 Exchange Company Disclosure on MVW owners/members.
No need for that, through the usual TUG collective approach, clarity on not only the line by line comparison, but also in the real world application of these exchange procedures will emerge. It is, after all the real world application of this that matters to people, as we have found many, many times over decades.

It won't be AI updating the stickies, it will be experienced humans. It remains heartening that even my superficial review managed to spot inaccuracies in the AI output. 🥳

As with all automation, AI remains vulnerable to the GIGO problem, and it can't tell whether the documents being compared are actually comparable, so you have the output you asked it for.
 
Can someone help me understand this? I am a resale points owner and currently in escrow to obtain another MGC. I have no intention to enroll and only want to use II for exchanges. Do these new changes have anything to do with me? Are these changes only Abound point owners? Will this affect my acquisition of a new unit and should I back out of the deal? So many questions.
Other than some possible effects on usage patterns due to the changes, a minimal risk, there should be no effect. Still there will likely be some minor changes that affects other areas over time though we likely won't have the data to qualify such changes.
 
I would take what AI put together with a bucket of salt. It looks like a lot of wishy washy hallucinations based on large language models reading speculation on social media rather than the one ground truth document that has been revealed so far.

Well I did get the gist to the extent that I now realize this is something I don't need to personally spend a lot of time on because I am not a heavy user of Abound. In the other thread there was a comment that weeks owners were getting screwed, I asked a follow up question on that and got no answer. My first question to CoPilot (and reading the title page) left me with an understanding that this document pertained to the Abound users, which I wasn't really getting from the previous posts. My next question was "how does this affect me?" I think most of the information in the Table in Post 4 is correct (the booking windows) or probably correct (waitlist priority, since the document tells us it now can be based on something other than first come, first served). Except for the discounts, which appears to be speculative.

I'll edit post 4- but for we non-power users, I think the posts here and in the other thread raised undue alarm. I already "get it" that Marriott is interested in cultivating power users, and I have no intention of becoming one, so they are not going to be too concerned about my interests. I'm fine with that,
 
The difficulty of using CoPilot and other large language models can be that what it is relying on for interpretation of what is truth is what it finds on the internet. The table that was in post #4 previously had included adjectives qualifying the actual information and ranking things like access to inventory in Abound from the best access to okay access for the various benefit levels when they all have the same 13 month access period for the booking windows. That might have been influenced by the alarmist postings here and on other social media platforms about Marriott screwing over people with just weeks or with lower benefit levels. In turn that could influence the feedback other AI models will provide if it's left available as source material for them to cite in creating their answers to questions - thank you for removing it because there seems to be a positive feedback loop that develops even in the absence of AI hallucinations. I agree that there is probably undue alarm going around about the changes.

There are a few of them that kind of make me scratch my head. For example, the jury trial waiver the exchange procedures purport to include backed up by a statement that use of an Abound exchange constitutes acceptance of that waiver. There is some truth to the effect of boilerplate language like that in ticketing but I wonder how effective it will be for people that were provided the 2010 version of the exchange procedures but not this one (or the 2022 version). I'm one of the exceptions that likes to read the rules when they come out but the vast majority of users are not.

The one thing we part ways on is whether Marriott is interested in cultivating power users. The new powers that be at Marriott seem to be more focused on the sales side of things as demonstrated by the inclusion of the grandfathering through May 2027 as FOMO to motivate customers. I don't think Marriott truly cares whether or not folks that buy up to the Pinnacle and Reserve level are able to make the best use of those levels though. There really isn't anything in it for them with regard to that as long as they can make the sale.
 
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