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Hi...I have my first ever reserved week at WPORV for the end of June 2009 into July. If we decide we can not use that week, what are the options for depositing the week.

Can we bank one side of the 2 bedroom with SVN for use in 2010?
Can we deposit the exact week we reserved with II for the other half?
Can we deposit the exact week we reserved with II for the whole reservation?
Should we do any of those options?

I really don't know what the best solution would be if we determine that we cannot go in 2009. Any suggestions other than the ones I thought of above would be appreciated. Thanks.
 

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Hi...I have my first ever reserved week at WPORV for the end of June 2009 into July. If we decide we can not use that week, what are the options for depositing the week.

Can we bank one side of the 2 bedroom with SVN for use in 2010?

You cannot bank or roll-over a week with Starwood - with their system it's use it or lose it. All Staroptions/weeks expire at the end of the year - 2009 in your case. However, you can deposit one or both sides with an exchange company, such as II.

Can we deposit the exact week we reserved with II for the other half?

I'm not sure what you are asking - please clarify.

Can we deposit the exact week we reserved with II for the whole reservation?

Starwood reserves the right to choose the week you deposit with II, some people have had luck getting a certain week, and some haven't. For more info. about exchanging with II, see the article listed under Exchanging in the Owner Resources Sticky, at the top of the board.

Should we do any of those options?

I really don't know what the best solution would be if we determine that we cannot go in 2009. Any suggestions other than the ones I thought of above would be appreciated. Thanks.

Your options are to convert to Starpoints.
Deposit the week with an exchange company.
Use the week or give it away.
Rent the week yourself & use the money to pay your MF.

If it was me, I would try to rent it myself for a profit.

See the Starwood FAQ at the top of the board for more details about how Starwood works.
 
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Thanks, maybe we will try to rent it. My husband and I both distinctly remember the sales person saying that you could bank one of the parts of the 2 bedroom each year to use the following year thereby allowing you to have 2 weeks of use the following year. They made a big presentation about it by actually physically picking up the piece of the unit puzzle, and demonstrating how it can be taken out and used the next year. They even said you could not bank the same side in consecutive years. ie. 1 bedroom in 2009, studio in 2010, and so on.

That is why one of my questions was confusing to you. I guess I thought if we banked one side of the unit with SVN, I wondered if we could deposit the other side with II. If we cannot bank it with SVN then that question would make no sense.

I also wondered if since we have a specific week reserved, if that specific week could be banked with II rather than a generic week chosen by SVN.:confused: I thought I had read something about being able to choose a week and then calling II to deposit that specific week.

I am more confused than ever.
 

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Thanks, maybe we will try to rent it. My husband and I both distinctly remember the sales person saying that you could bank one of the parts of the 2 bedroom each year to use the following year thereby allowing you to have 2 weeks of use the following year. They made a big presentation about it by actually physically picking up the piece of the unit puzzle, and demonstrating how it can be taken out and used the next year. They even said you could not bank the same side in consecutive years. ie. 1 bedroom in 2009, studio in 2010, and so on.

They may have used the word "banking" but what they were talking about is converting to Starpoints - which you can do every other year - or alternating sides every year. However, converting to Starpoints is not a good value since the exchange rate is so poor, so I wouldn't convert an expensive TS, like WPORV, to Starpoints - ever!

That is why one of my questions was confusing to you. I guess I thought if we banked one side of the unit with SVN, I wondered if we could deposit the other side with II. If we cannot bank it with SVN then that question would make no sense.

You can split the sides and use them completely separately to use yourself, rent, deposit, convert to Starpoints, or do a Staroptions exchange.

I also wondered if since we have a specific week reserved, if that specific week could be banked with II rather than a generic week chosen by SVN.:confused: I thought I had read something about being able to choose a week and then calling II to deposit that specific week.

I am more confused than ever.

Starwood reserves the right to choose the week you deposit and they are unlikely to deposit a high-demand summer week in Hawaii - more likely an off season week. See the Exchanging With II article I recommended above, for all the details.

Starwood has a contractual agreement with II to enforce their rules for Starwood exchanges. This is the other thing - if you did deposit with II, you are very unlikely to get an exchange in return equal in value to your June WPORV week. With an expensive/high MF week like that, I hate to throw in into the exchange pot with no guarantee of getting an equal exchange back, because once you deposit it - it's gone!

I own a week at the Maui resort and I rent it easily for $3,500. I don't know if that will hold up in this economy, but I already have 2009 rented, and someone interested in 2010 - so that's the way I would go. You can pay your MF and put some money in your pocket.
 
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Denise, thank you so much for all of the explanations. I guess we were very confused since it was so long ago that we purchased and are now just trying to get up to speed on what to do with our first week.

If we decide to rent, what are the best ways to advertise the rental. Is redweek a good choice?
 

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My husband and I both distinctly remember the sales person saying that you could bank one of the parts of the 2 bedroom each year to use the following year thereby allowing you to have 2 weeks of use the following year.
That's a new one on me, but having sat through several sales presentation, I bet they meant one of two things:

  • You could deposit one side of your lockout into II and try to reserve back into WPORV the following year. (Of course, there's nothing preventing you from depositing both sides of your unit into II for use later on.)
  • Another common sales tactic on lockouts is making a two-week reservation in the CURRENT year by booking the 1-bedroom for one week, and the studio for the following week, thus giving you two-weeks in the resort. But this is all done within the same year of use.
 

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Denise, thank you so much for all of the explanations. I guess we were very confused since it was so long ago that we purchased and are now just trying to get up to speed on what to do with our first week.

If we decide to rent, what are the best ways to advertise the rental. Is redweek a good choice?

I use Redweek, TUG, and Craigslist for my Maui Rental.
 

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Starwood reserves the right to choose the week you deposit and they are unlikely to deposit a high-demand summer week in Hawaii - more likely an off season week. See the Exchanging With II article I recommended above, for all the details.
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Denise, I just read the article you linked...thanks. What about "Request First"? Does this mean you can deposit the week you have guaranteed? I guess I am still confused:eek:
 

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Denise, I just read the article you linked...thanks. What about "Request First"? Does this mean you can deposit the week you have guaranteed? I guess I am still confused:eek:

Request first just means that you put in a request with II for a particular exchange and don't deposit your week until it's filled, but Starwood still reserves the right to choose the week you deposit.... This is the reason - with summer weeks being in such high demand, they want to keep them for owners and deposit weeks during the off-season.

What that article is suggesting is that you reserve a week for yourself to use (as a back-up) in case your request is not filled. You do have the right to choose a week for your own use, but not to choose a week for deposit.

Question - if you deposit a week with II - what are your plans for that week?
 
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Question - if you deposit a week with II - what are your plans for that week?

I really don't have any other plans yet. I just know the airfare to Hawaii has more than doubled for us. Miles seats are very scarce as I have been watching them for a couple of months to see how it will play out for next summer.

I really do want to go to Hawaii with the family but with the cost of airfare from Chicago for 5 of us, it is just too cost prohibitive. We went to Europe earlier this summer and the airfare was much less than the air to Hawaii next summer and there were more FF seats available, too.

Question: If I keep tracking the flights and find something later in the summer that can accommodate our family, what is the penalty for moving my date with SVN? Will they charge a fee for this?

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me.
 

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I really do want to go to Hawaii with the family but with the cost of airfare from Chicago for 5 of us, it is just too cost prohibitive. We went to Europe earlier this summer and the airfare was much less than the air to Hawaii next summer and there were more FF seats available, too.

Just remember that getting an exchange of equal value to your WPORV ownership isn't likely. So think about renting and using the cash for your MF and a vaction, or possibly a Staroption exchange to a Starwood resort closer to you. All Starwood Resorts How about Harborside Atlantis? Your family would LOVE that!

Question: If I keep tracking the flights and find something later in the summer that can accommodate our family, what is the penalty for moving my date with SVN? Will they charge a fee for this?

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me.

The main penalty is that if you make a new reservation, less than 8 mos. out from your arrival date, you lose your owner's priority for view and location. So after 8 mos. out, you are just like someone exchanging in using Staroptions. It just depends on how important the view/location are to you.

Re: Cancellation penalties, From the FAQ:

Reservations canceled within 60 days of the check-in date, can only be used to make future reservations at 60 days out from arrival date and Starwood may charge a cancellation fee [of around $27.]
 

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I cannot thank you enough for all of your answers to my questions. There is so much to sift through on the stickies.

I think I will try to get the airline tickets with FF for a couple of weeks and if that doesn't work, look into an exchange. I don't know why I didn't think of that option????? Too new to the whole timeshare world!:rolleyes:
 

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I cannot thank you enough for all of your answers to my questions. There is so much to sift through on the stickies.

I think I will try to get the airline tickets with FF for a couple of weeks and if that doesn't work, look into an exchange. I don't know why I didn't think of that option????? Too new to the whole timeshare world!:rolleyes:

Harborside is a very popular resort - if you decide to make a Staroption exchange, you need to be ready to do it at exactly 8 mos. out at 9 a.m. ET to be sure you get the week you want. Start calling at 8:59 a.m. and hit redial until you get through.

So if we are talking about next June 20th, for example - you need to be ready to make the Resv. on Oct. 20th (8 mos. out from June 20th) - you can't do it before then, so that will give you some time to see if you can manage Hawaii FF seats or not. Be sure you look at the Staroption chart for the resort you are exchanging into, so you know how many Staroptions you need for different size units and be ready to ask for the size units you need/want.

SVN Exchanges: Starwood StarOPTION Chart (download) updated 6/08​


Good luck! Please let us know how it goes!
 

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Denise, you are unbelievable! What a nice person you must be in real life. Thanks a bunch for the tips.
 
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