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Cruise industry seeks a restart in Hawaii

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Wow. Will this be good for HawaII ?
 

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Wow. Will this be good for HawaII ?
Yes, but that would depend some on who you ask. A few still think all of the tourist should just go away for good :wall:
 

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What’s notably missing from this article from yesterday is mention of the infamous Ruby Princess… it returned to San Francisco this past week with over a dozen Covid-positive passengers, has returned to Mexico for another go, and will be in Hawaii in just a couple of weeks - its arrival timing in line with the estimated peak in cases here.
 

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There is only one major cruise ship line base on the island of Hawaii all year round and that ship was the Pride of America. by NCL
All the other cruise ships companies sail from ports from the United States, Canada, Japan, China, New Zeland and Australia to Hawaii.
 

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Pride of America is not due to resume cruising until the end of February. Since passengers board in Hawaii, they will have already had to comply with whatever rules of entry will be in place for visitors to Hawaii by then.

The main issue that I see with the Ruby Princess is this: with the high number of positive-testing passengers disembarking from their cruise a couple of days ago - to be watched for its return to San Francisco from Mexico late next week - would be another high number of passengers and crew testing positive on arrival in Honolulu in less than two weeks.
 

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What’s notably missing from this article from yesterday is mention of the infamous Ruby Princess… it returned to San Francisco this past week with over a dozen Covid-positive passengers, has returned to Mexico for another go, and will be in Hawaii in just a couple of weeks - its arrival timing in line with the estimated peak in cases here.
There were 12 asymptomatic cases onboard out of ~3500 people onboard which is like 0.35%. In the mean time SFO had over 1800 cases that day. The infection rate here on Hawai`i Island today is just under 3%. Problem is beach gatherings and large gatherings, not cruise ships.
 

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There were 12 asymptomatic cases onboard out of ~3500 people onboard which is like 0.35%. In the mean time SFO had over 1800 cases that day. The infection rate here on Hawai`i Island today is just under 3%. Problem is beach gatherings and large gatherings, not cruise ships.

It may be worse now…


The CDC director said this week that Covid cases have increased 30-fold in just two weeks. Every one of the nearly 100 cruise ships currently carrying passengers in US waters has reported enough Covid-19 cases to merit investigation by the CDC, according to the agency’s website.

On December 30, the CDC issued its highest travel warning, advising the public to avoid cruise ship travel even if vaccinated. The agency said, at the time, that the number of infections reported on cruise ships had jumped to 5,013 between 15-29 December – up from only 162 in the first two weeks of December.


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NCL have changed the starting sailing date for The Pride Of America in Hawaii to March 5, 2022 because of the increase of Covid cases.
 

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There were 12 asymptomatic cases onboard out of ~3500 people onboard which is like 0.35%.
You have to also take into account that only 25% of passengers were tested on that sailing (those not meeting the vax criteria,) so the actual shipboard case count was most likely higher. Plus, infected crew are not being reported in the passenger case count.
 

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I just logged into Hawaii's Safe Travels web site, and saw that where you add your flight info, you can also add your cruise info. They must not be letting people off the ship unless they can prove that they tested negative or have been fully vaccinated.
 

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It doesn't take much to merit a CDC investigation. Those headlines about CDC investigations are more about sensationalism than reality. One sick crew member merits investigation. That is why most of the ships meet requirements to merit investigation.

 

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It doesn't take much to merit a CDC investigation. Those headlines about CDC investigations are more about sensationalism than reality. One sick crew member merits investigation. That is why most of the ships meet requirements to merit investigation.


Yes, this was apparent long ago. Nevertheless, the number of covid infections on cruise ships continue. See this letter (sorry if it's a bit blurry) sent just yesterday re the abrupt return of a ship at sea - the rumors from passengers on this cruise are that many crew are now Covid+ and unable to work, so the ship is worried they are not able to operate with sufficient crew. Note I wrote rumor...we don't know, and most (all?) of the major cruise lines are not publishing the number of Covid+ crew so it's difficult to objectively gauge the severity of this situation.

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Norwegian did also cancel a number of upcoming cruises. We are scheduled to sail on the NCL Joy in February, but sailings are now cancelled through the one starting on the 22nd of January. We will have to wait and see if ours sails.
 

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Norwegian did also cancel a number of upcoming cruises. We are scheduled to sail on the NCL Joy in February, but sailings are now cancelled through the one starting on the 22nd of January. We will have to wait and see if ours sails.

Yes, but not all. It seems we don’t know why or how they are selecting which ships and cruises to cancel yet.


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So the Grand Princess docked on four of the islands with Covid cases onboard last week…what a surprise - not.

“State confirms there were COVID-19 cases aboard Grand Pricess but said that they did not disembark”
 

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So the Grand Princess docked on four of the islands with Covid cases onboard last week…what a surprise - not.

“State confirms there were COVID-19 cases aboard Grand Pricess but said that they did not disembark”
It seems that the number of cases were reported to be at least 0.1% of passengers or one crew member. That could mean a total three or more people on the entire ship. That said, it is probably not any different than ten planes carrying in the same number of people. It seems that cruises pose the same or less of a threat as air travel.
 

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It seems that the number of cases were reported to be at least 0.1% of passengers or one crew member. That could mean a total three or more people on the entire ship. That said, it is probably not any different than ten planes carrying in the same number of people. It seems that cruises pose the same or less of a threat as air travel.
A significant number less than on land ... both in LA and HI

"This is a COVID-19 informational update for Sunday, January 16 at 12 pm.
For Hawaii County the Department of Health reports 585 new cases with 4449 active cases and 42 persons hospitalized. "
That puts us at about 2.2% for Hawai`i Island and likely way less than 1% on the ship.
 

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Percentages are irrelevant, as testing is not universal, and any testing results are only a partial capture of the moment…
 

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Percentages are irrelevant, as testing is not universal, and any testing results are only a partial capture of the moment…
Aren't 100% of cruise passengers tested before they get on the ship? Certainly they only test the symptomatic after they set sail, but I would still say it is fair to say that the percentage of positive cases on a cruise is less than on land. 100% of staff is probably tested regularly. Air travel is probably bringing far more infected passengers than cruise travel.
 

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No. Passenger testing is not universal, although crew is.
 

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No. Passenger testing is not universal, although crew is.

Specifically in regards to Princess:

Guests on sailings from the United States must provide proof at terminal check-in of a negative viral COVID-19 test (PCR or antigen) taken within two days of their embarkation.
 

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Aren't 100% of cruise passengers tested before they get on the ship? Certainly they only test the symptomatic after they set sail, but I would still say it is fair to say that the percentage of positive cases on a cruise is less than on land. 100% of staff is probably tested regularly. Air travel is probably bringing far more infected passengers than cruise travel.
Princess and likely every other cruise line requires a negative PCR or Antigen test prior to being allowed to board. What isn't prevented is passengers being careless while hanging out in bar, restaurants and other places in ports - where I suspect most onboard cases originate in addition to airports and aircraft.
 
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