Countries that are winning vs C19

[Ken555]

There are many countries which have done well in their fight with Covid-19. Here’s a short video about several:

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[bluehende]

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors

Sweden has attracted global attention for not imposing a full lockdown, as seen in most of Europe, to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

 

[DannyTS]

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors

Sweden has attracted global attention for not imposing a full lockdown, as seen in most of Europe, to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnbc.com

very poorly written article:

1) according to the article "In the first scenario, the Riksbank predicted unemployment could reach 8.8% in 2020, from 7.2% currently, and in the worst-case forecast could hit 10.1%"
But in the US it is already at 15% or even 22% (depending if you count those that are not even looking for a job). The GDP contraction is also much higher in the US. It is common sense, right? The more people in lockdown, the more unemployment.
Also, before the Covid crisis, Sweden was at around 7% unemployment while the US was at 3.5% so the jump is huge in the US.

2) when the whole world is in lockdown, there is a spillway effect since their exports suffer regardless of what they do internally. Think about Volvo for example.

3) the article does not mention that Sweden is already at 25%-30% immunity rate so almost halfway through the process while the rest of the world still has a long way to go.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@Ken555 Great video. Sweden is over cited. Nice to see some other examples.

 

[Panina]

There are many countries which have done well in their fight with Covid-19. Here’s a short video about several:

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Taiwan figured it out early, China was lying. US citizens are already not following guidelines for those that are no longer in SIP. Even with SIP many did not adhere to guidelines. Can you imagine if we tried to track everyone in the US with their phone and two calls a day. It would never be accepted. So nothing to be gained looking at Taiwan unless we are willing to do what they are doing.

 

[Brett]

Taiwan did figure it out early

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-taiwan-great-example-pandemic/

 

[nerodog]

Taiwan did figure it out early

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-taiwan-great-example-pandemic/

Hong Kong has also been doing well. Australia just announced new phases of opening. We are managing in Portugal..we are in a state of calamity phase 1. Numbers spiked a bit and next phase is May 18th

 

[MrockStar]

Taiwan figured it out early, China was lying. US citizens are already not following guidelines for those that are no longer in SIP. Even with SIP many did not adhere to guidelines. Can you imagine if we tried to track everyone in the US with their phone and two calls a day. It would never be accepted. So nothing to be gained looking at Taiwan unless we are willing to do what they are doing.

If it comes to that i will just shut off my cell phone and remove the battery. I have a home phone and a work phone, so easily reachable.

 

[Chrisky]

New Zealand has done exceptionally well.
8 May 2020, the country has a total of 1,490 cases (1,141 confirmed and 349 probable), of which 122 are currently active, and 21 people have died from the virus. Cases have occurred in all 20 district health board (DHB) areas of the country, and twelve DHBs have active cases as of 7 May 2020.
IMHO the one important thing they did was close their borders and entry ports to all non-residents on March 19.

 

[Ken555]

Taiwan figured it out early, China was lying.

We have to be diligent to verify that the info we think we know is accurate. For instance: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...-stop-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-report

US citizens are already not following guidelines for those that are no longer in SIP. Even with SIP many did not adhere to guidelines.

Yes. This is why I'm still home. This is why our Governor reacted when too many people went to the beaches in Southern California recently.

Can you imagine if we tried to track everyone in the US with their phone and two calls a day. It would never be accepted. So nothing to be gained looking at Taiwan unless we are willing to do what they are doing.

Health over everything. I don't see the problem with this temporarily. We've already lost the privacy war with tech, so I'd rather save lives at this time and then fix any issues next year, etc.

 

[MrockStar]

New Zealand has done exceptionally well.
8 May 2020, the country has a total of 1,490 cases (1,141 confirmed and 349 probable), of which 122 are currently active, and 21 people have died from the virus. Cases have occurred in all 20 district health board (DHB) areas of the country, and twelve DHBs have active cases as of 7 May 2020.
IMHO the one important thing they did was close their borders and entry ports to all non-residents on March 19.

It helps to have huge mountains and be an island nation way south in a Huge ocean with a population roughly the size of Michigan.

 

[Panina]

Conceptually I think of each state as a country. With travel between states and each state deciding on phases our situation is tremendously different they the smaller countries that closed their borders and did tracking of their citizens. Plus we do not have ourselves closed off from everyone traveling here.

Let us see a year from now how these successful countries are doing. Will they keep their borders closed long term to visitors? If they open up to visitors what will happen? The economic impact if they keep closed? The health impact other then the virus.

Logical prudent precautions may go a long way. Those who don’t want to do them say they are not proven. Lesson will be learned the hard way Imo. Looking at smaller countries may give us some ideas for our toolbox but would not be successful here.

 

[Brett]

Conceptually I think of each state as a country. With travel between states and each state deciding on phases our situation is tremendously different they the smaller countries that closed their borders and did tracking of their citizens. Plus we do not have ourselves closed off from everyone traveling here.

Let us see a year from now how these successful countries are doing. Will they keep their borders closed long term to visitors? If they open up to visitors what will happen? The economic impact if they keep closed? The health impact other then the virus.

Logical prudent precautions may go a long way. Those who don’t want to do them say they are not proven. Lesson will be learned the hard way Imo. Looking at smaller countries may give us some ideas for our toolbox but would not be successful here.

I'm not sure states can be considered the same as countries regarding pandemic policies but sure, following "logical prudent precautions" is a good plan

 

[Chrisky]

It helps to have huge mountains and be an island nation way south in a Huge ocean with a population roughly the size of Michigan.

That is very true, but they could have also left everything open, and suffered the consequences.

 

[MrockStar]

New Zealand has done exceptionally well.
8 May 2020, the country has a total of 1,490 cases (1,141 confirmed and 349 probable), of which 122 are currently active, and 21 people have died from the virus. Cases have occurred in all 20 district health board (DHB) areas of the country, and twelve DHBs have active cases as of 7 May 2020.
IMHO the one important thing they did was close their borders and entry ports to all non-residents on March 19.

yes, closing the boarder and ports was a very wise decision.

 

[Ken555]

yes, closing the boarder and ports was a very wise decision.

If only we had done that in time.


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[cman]

I read today that Taiwan's Vice President is a John Hopkins trained epidemiologist, and an expert on viruses. That had to come in handy.

 

[Brett]

I read today that Taiwan's Vice President is a John Hopkins trained epidemiologist, and an expert on viruses. That had to come in handy.

absolutely !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Chien-jen

 

[Brett]

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