Coronavirus is Bad but US Flu's New Numbers Still Far Worse

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Coronavirus is Bad but US Flu's New Numbers Still Far Worse.

Coronavirus Is Bad but US Flu's New Numbers Still Far Worse

At a time when many are worried about the new coronavirus, the CDC warns citizens not to let their guard down about influenza, saying flu season could still continue for weeks.

www.medscape.com

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Richard

 

[DrQ]

The media is always attracted to the shiny new bauble, but yes, "just the flu" is not really that.

 

[MULTIZ321]

FLU CONTINUES TO KILL IN FLORIDA.

Flu continues to kill in Florida

The total number of kids killed this flu season in Florida is 10, according to health officials.

www.wtsp.com

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Richard

 

[pedro47]

The Coronavirus is headlines news because it started in Southeast Asia China and the Princess cruise ship quarantine .

 

[pedro47]

According to the news article there have been 18,000 deaths caused by the flu in the United States. Now that is a problem IMO.

 

[LMD]

Now that people are aware that they should be washing their hands and cleaning surfaces maybe the flu rate will drop
We just had our first Covid-19 death here in Lee County (Ft Myers FL) related to international travel
At this point people who traveled to one of the high risk areas should be smart enough and considerate enough to self quarantine

 

[Maple_Leaf]

Coronavirus is Bad but US Flu's New Numbers Still Far Worse.

That depends on which numbers you are looking at.

Evolving Epidemiology and Impact of Non-pharmaceutical Interventions on the Outbreak of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Wuhan, China

BACKGROUND We described the epidemiological features of the coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) outbreak, and evaluated the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions on the epidemic in Wuhan, China. METHODS Individual-level data on 25,961 laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 cases reported through...

www.medrxiv.org

The number that scares me is the effective reproductive number, R-naught, prior to the Wuhan lockdown of 3.86, indicating a virus that spread wildly. Combined with a death rate somewhere above 1% this is a dangerous virus, that's why millions of Chinese have been locked in their homes for weeks. It's not the flu.

Also, according to these numbers the Wuhan lockdown reduced R-naught to 0.32 thus dramatically shrinking the contagion. Quarantine apparently works with this virus.

 

[controller1]

Flu may result in more deaths but what also is concerning is the mortality rate. Influenza is fatal to less than 1% of those who contract it. Covid-19 is fatal to approximately 3.4% of those who contract it and that is worthy of the effort to nip it in the bud. IMHO neither would be in the news if people would wash their hands. I'm still amazed when I see a man come out of a stall in a public men's restroom and walk right out the door without washing his hands. Yuck!

 

[WinniWoman]

Flu may result in more deaths but what also is concerning is the mortality rate. Influenza is fatal to less than 1% of those who contract it. Covid-19 is fatal to approximately 3.4% of those who contract it and that is worthy of the effort to nip it in the bud. IMHO neither would be in the news if people would wash their hands. I'm still amazed when I see a man come out of a stall in a public men's restroom and walk right out the door without washing his hands. Yuck!

How are they going to nip this in the bud? I mean I do not see how it can be stopped. Despite the regular flu shots, the hand washing and so forth the flu is still killing more people than ever.

The same with this new virus. Yeah- you could wear gloves and masks and wash your hands until your skin falls off. But it will be on currency, credit cards, atm machines, door knobs, packages, everywhere you would go to live a "normal" life, like restaurants, concerts, theaters, buses subways, trains, planes, ubers, taxis, churches, stores. Every door knob you touch. Unless you become a prisoner in your own home for years on end. Maybe we should not worry about it and just contract it and get it over with.

Hell- if you need to see a doctor- let's say for something not related to a flu- I would not even want to go to a doctors office- or to an urgent care center or a hospital with all the sick people there! Forget about visiting someone in a nursing home!

So either this thing is more serious than they are letting on- like a plague- or the CDC is making people worry needlessly.

 

[pedro47]

Flu may result in more deaths but what also is concerning is the mortality rate. Influenza is fatal to less than 1% of those who contract it. Covid-19 is fatal to approximately 3.4% of those who contract it and that is worthy of the effort to nip it in the bud. IMHO neither would be in the news if people would wash their hands. I'm still amazed when I see a man come out of a stall in a public men's restroom and walk right out the door without washing his hands. Yuck!

I bet this happen 4 out of 10 times in a public restroom and at home. This is why the Coronavirus is so dangerous and very easily to spread.

 

[pedro47]

I hope females are more careful than males in washing their hands in public restrooms and at home after using the restrooms facilities.

 

[WVBaker]

The EPA says coronaviruses are enveloped viruses, meaning they are one of the easiest types of viruses to kill with the appropriate disinfectant product.

You can find the entire list of products here.

EPA releases list of approved disinfectants to kill coronavirus

Public health officials say while the overall risk of being exposed to coronavirus is still low for most of the American public, one of the proactive steps everyone can take is to sanitize your environment. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released a list of disinfectant products...

weartv.com

 

[WinniWoman]

The EPA says coronaviruses are enveloped viruses, meaning they are one of the easiest types of viruses to kill with the appropriate disinfectant product.

You can find the entire list of products here.

EPA releases list of approved disinfectants to kill coronavirus

Public health officials say while the overall risk of being exposed to coronavirus is still low for most of the American public, one of the proactive steps everyone can take is to sanitize your environment. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released a list of disinfectant products...

weartv.com

Maybe they should just hose us all down. LOL!

 

[WinniWoman]

I hope females are more careful than males in washing their hands in public restrooms and at home after using the restrooms facilities.

HUH?

 

[Maple_Leaf]

How are they going to nip this in the bud? I mean I do not see how it can be stopped.

If each infected person infects less than one other person, the contagion burns itself out. We would still hear about new cases but every day their numbers would shrink toward zero. Apparently that's what quarantine does.

 

[WinniWoman]

If each infected person infects less than one other person, the contagion burns itself out. We would still hear about new cases but every day their numbers would shrink toward zero. Apparently that's what quarantine does.

I have to say I am skeptical. Think of all the masses of people that this involves and the government does not even know everyone who has it. It would be impossible I would think but I am not that bright.

 

[Panina]

How are they going to nip this in the bud? I mean I do not see how it can be stopped. Despite the regular flu shots, the hand washing and so forth the flu is still killing more people than ever.

The same with this new virus. Yeah- you could wear gloves and masks and wash your hands until your skin falls off. But it will be on currency, credit cards, atm machines, door knobs, packages, everywhere you would go to live a "normal" life, like restaurants, concerts, theaters, buses subways, trains, planes, ubers, taxis, churches, stores. Every door knob you touch. Unless you become a prisoner in your own home for years on end. Maybe we should not worry about it and just contract it and get it over with.

Hell- if you need to see a doctor- let's say for something not related to a flu- I would not even want to go to a doctors office- or to an urgent care center or a hospital with all the sick people there! Forget about visiting someone in a nursing home!

So either this thing is more serious than they are letting on- like a plague- or the CDC is making people worry needlessly.

Agree there is no way to avoid this unless you are already stockpiled, lock yourself in your home and let no one in and out for who knows how long.

Nip in the butt in the US, I don’t see it, it has already started and life is going on for most as normal, thus spreading. It is naive to think many others do not have it.

 

[LMD]

Despite all the education being put out there on hand washing and cleaning surfaces I don't think it is being done enough
Yesterday I went to Costco in Naples FL...my favorite store. I was pleased that there were two people at the front wiping off the carts as you brought them in. Then as I was waiting for a pizza to be cooked I was absolutely horrified as I watched the women at the register handle money, touch the register and then handle someone's food with the SAME pair of gloves.

 

[AnnaS]

I hope females are more careful than males in washing their hands in public restrooms and at home after using the restrooms facilities.

I keep thinking it's the other way around........

Not to get into this subject.......but we don't need our hands to take anything out.....sorry about the description

Until there is a vaccine or whatever you call it, for this new virus, we can be quarantined in our homes indefinitely. You think you are exposed, quarantined. All good. Go out. You think you are exposed, quarantined and so forth.

 

[WinniWoman]

I am telling you working in health care and daily going in and out of doctors offices and facilities, I never, ever used sanitary wipes or gloves to open and close doors all day and I only washed my hands after using the restroom or if for some reason I felt they were dirty and needed to. And MAYBE before lunch. I shook hands all day with doctors and their staff. 13 years doing it and even before then my whole life working in other health care settings with tons of people interaction every single day- some sick, some caregivers, some just the general public. Up until now never a cold or flu and no flu shot. But. hey, there's a first time for everything. But how crazy should we all be getting?

Heck- right now I have people coming in and out of our house to do work and I have shaken their hands as well. Last weekend I hugged my new future neighbor friend and her husband! WOW!

When food shopping I have never, ever wiped the cart handles either. I always felt some germs were good for immunity anyway but I honestly never gave it that much thought and poo pooed people who were germaphobes.

 

[davidvel]

I am telling you working in health care and daily going in and out of doctors offices and facilities, I never, ever used sanitary wipes or gloves to open and close doors all day and I only washed my hands after using the restroom or if for some reason I felt they were dirty and needed to. And MAYBE before lunch. I shook hands all day with doctors and their staff. 13 years doing it and even before then my whole life working in other health care settings with tons of people interaction every single day- some sick, some caregivers, some just the general public. Up until now never a cold or flu and no flu shot. But. hey, there's a first time for everything. But how crazy should we all be getting?

Heck- right now I have people coming in and out of our house to do work and I have shaken their hands as well. Last weekend I hugged my new future neighbor friend and her husband! WOW!

When food shopping I have never, ever wiped the cart handles either. I always felt some germs were good for immunity anyway but I honestly never gave it that much thought and poo pooed people who were germaphobes.

You have perfectly described the practices that best spread colds, flu, and coronavirus. Hopefully too many people don't follow your lead.

On the subject of bathrooms, the focus is often on the elimination part, but this is not the issue with these viruses. Washing after going to the bathroom is primarily intended to stop the spread of GI based contagions, and the fact you touch lots of surfaces that can spread viruses. Not because you peeed.

 

[WinniWoman]

You have perfectly described the practices that best spread colds, flu, and coronavirus. Hopefully too many people don't follow your lead.

On the subject of bathrooms, the focus is often on the elimination part, but this is not the issue with these viruses. Washing after going to the bathroom is primarily intended to stop the spread of GI based contagions, and the fact you touch lots of surfaces that can spread viruses. Not because you peeed.

It is simply not realistic to think people are going to wash their hands 50 times per day- like every single time they shake a hand or open or close a door.

It ain’t gonna happen. Sure people who don’t do anything or go anywhere it’s easier.

 

[Panina]

It is simply not realistic to think people are going to wash their hands 50 times per day- like every single time they shake a hand or open or close a door.

It ain’t gonna happen. Sure people who don’t do anything or go anywhere it’s easier.

Because of the panic more people will, for all that will, others won’t. That is why imo it will keep spreading.

You were lucky, you have a good immune system. My sister was the same way, she never took the flu shot until one year it got her really bad, now she gets one.

 

[WinniWoman]

I was just in 2 mattress stores. Touched the door handles to get in and out. Will be going into a few more. Just put a cough drop in my mouth. Oops- I opened and closed the car door several times also and when I go home I have to touch our door knobs. Should I be washing my hands for every one of these scenarios. I suppose so but I did not. Heck- where would I? Would need a case of disinfectant wipes at this rate.

And I just moved my wig hair behind my ears. I am a gonner now!

It’s enough to make a person insane!

 

[Panina]

I was just in 2 mattress stores. Touched the door handles to get in and out. Will be going into a few more. Just put a cough drop in my mouth. Oops- I opened and closed the car door several times also and when I go home I have to touch our door knobs. Should I be washing my hands for every one of these scenarios. I suppose so but I did not. Heck- where would I? Would need a case of disinfectant wipes at this rate.

And I just moved my wig hair behind my ears. I am a gonner now!

It’s enough to make a person insane!

Just live. You can only do what you can. Worry does nothing but makes you sick. You have the wisdom to understand this all.