Coronavirus Cases Are Accelerating Across U.S.

[IngridN]

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[Ken555]

Johns Hopkins' dashboard: The people behind the pandemic's most visited site | CNN

The work of a talented skeleton crew at Johns Hopkins University has become the leading resource on coronavirus numbers for public health officials, news outlets and the public. The lives of the crew have dramatically transformed because of it.

www.cnn.com

 

[davidvel]

I watched a little bit of Newsom's announcement but someone please verify this - I thought I understood this did not apply to the whole state RATHER only about 34 counties in CA. However, those 34 counties comprise about 80% of the state's population. If that is correct, I assume the remote counties are not on the list of effected counties....

This is correct, Danny is wrong.

 

[davidvel]

the curve has to flatten at some point ....

July 13 2020

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The curve, at least when this all started and all politicians agreed, was the bulge of cases needing advanced care, not the number of people testing positive (with or without symptoms).

 

[davidvel]

DUPLICATE....

 

[CO skier]

This is correct, Danny is wrong.

The order applies to 30 California counties:

California Governor Gavin Newsom on Monday ordered the closure of indoor businesses across the state, including restaurants, bars, wineries, movie theaters, zoos and museums as coronavirus cases continue to surge.


Newsom's announcement comes as California reported 8,460 new cases of COVID-19, according to July 11 data from the state's health department. The state now has a total of 320,804 positive cases, and 1,833 of the patients required intensive care. There have been a total of 7,017 deaths in California so far.

Newsom also imposed more stringent restrictions in 30 counties, including Los Angeles, Napa, Orange, Riverside, Sacramento, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura. In those counties, gyms, places of worship, non-critical offices, personal care services, hair salons, barbershops and malls must close all indoor operations.

 

[CO skier]

OK, honestly, I do not know if the CA governor's "orders" apply to the "whole state" or only "30 counties." Very confusing.

 

[davidvel]

OK, honestly, I do not know if the CA governor's "orders" apply to the "whole state" or only "30 counties." Very confusing.

Well that's refreshing.

 

[Brett]

" California already had closed bars and indoor dining in the most populated parts of the state, but a new order makes it statewide. Counties hardest hit by the coronavirus are seeing additional closures.

As of Monday, California had more than 326,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and more than 7,000 total deaths, according to the Los Angeles Times’ tracker.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...businesses-shut-down-newsom-coronavirus-order
https://covid19.ca.gov/roadmap-counties/

 

[WinniWoman]

The problem is everyone is over analyzing this thing. It is really simple if you have a simple mind like mine. The virus is here to stay until a vaccine is developed and administered to those who choose to get it. You can look at graphs and numbers and analyze until you are blue in the face - panic or relax- the fact is you have no control universally. Science or no science.

They can keep shutting down and opening up and shutting down and opening up and will get the same result eventually again. Many, if not most people will get the virus- either with symptoms or without. (OK- some will be lucky and not get it). That is the way it is. You can shame people all you want for not wearing masks and not social distancing (which is still suspect as to mass effectiveness), but people are human beings and will never 100 percent conform to all these dictates. The world will never be perfect. I generally look at that as a good thing actually.

So do we want to stay in a lock down indefinitely for a vaccine that might not ever come? If we choose that then know our lives as we knew them could be over anyway. If we open up and run with this it is just that we are going to have to face the facts of the way it will be living with the virus until it is eradicated.

This said- the main thing is to not overwhelm the hospitals and at times measures will have to be taken on a local level to help with that.

If I recall, a month into this thing back in April, Fauci said there would probably be 200,000 deaths AFTER we flattened the curve. So I do not get why people are so surprised and in a panic about hearing about the numbers of deaths so far. It was to be expected. Sure- it's awful, but it's a pandemic and we were told this.

So I go back to my own philosophy on living my life the best I can throughout this. I am generally not scared so I go out. I socialize in very small groups- walking, boating, cocktail parties. No masks and no distancing. I have shaken hands and hugged a couple of people. My son visits us now and I hug him when I see him. I stay away from large crowds, especially indoors. I go to stores when I want to. I eat in and out at restaurants. I get my haircut. I'm going to doctors offices, got my blood drawn, going to the dentist in the fall, etc. I have no big concerns about visiting our timeshare resorts but am cautious. I go to the beach and the state parks and to the pool. I will probably take the big ship and the mail boat out onto the lake as well at some point. I have been in neighbors' cars and them in mine. I wear a mask in buildings, but not outside. My choice. Others choose not to- their choice. If you are scared to go out, don't. If you are not- go for it.

Yeah- we have to navigate through all the various states so called "orders" and decide FOR OURSELVES whether or not to travel. It's a pain.

We have to keep the economy going and people employed. It's all great to stay home and in restrictions if you have money coming into your household or are retired with pensions and SS and big savings accounts - no sweat off your back-or if you do not own a business where you have to struggle with this situation- or are living on government money and could care less, but remember others need to work and the general population needs services. It's all great and tolerable if you live in a nice big house in the suburbs or a rural area instead of a tiny apartment in a major city.

Think of the young people and what this is doing to them- all the young ages from grammar school up to those in their 30's and 40's. I personally do not believe in the government shutting down any businesses, bars, theaters - any of them. Nor churches, schools, concerts, sports, or anything else. If owners choose to do so that is their decision, as it is their decision to operate safely during this time. But that is just me. If you don't then that is your prerogative. No sense in debating it with me or anyone else. Neither one of us can change what is being dictated right now.

I don't care how smart you think you are. No one is "winning". We are all stuck. Let us hope and pray as we go forward,

 

[Conan]

New York ... gun violence is the highest we have seen in 25 years. But they have done a good job compared to Texas.

It seems New York City has about the same number of homicides, year-to-date, as Houston.
New York City population 8.3 million. Houston population 2.3 million.

Houston: 178 murders in 2020 compared to 140 in 2019.

Murders in Houston on track to hit 5-year high

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo says there is concern specifically in southeast Houston because of gangs and drug trafficking.

abc13.com

New York: 166 murders through June 21, up from 134 over the same period last year

Gun Violence Spikes in N.Y.C., Intensifying Debate Over Policing (Published 2020)

More than a dozen people have been fatally shot, including a teenager at her college graduation party and a clothing designer who was washing his car.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Brett]

It seems

so the coronavirus is causing people to buy guns and kill each other - but only in certain areas.

 

[Cornell]

@WinniWoman Your comments are truly a breath of fresh air & we are of the same mind.

But please don't say that you have a "simple mind". Far from it.

 

[Brett]

The problem is everyone is over analyzing this thing. It is really simple if you have a simple mind like mine. The virus is here to stay until a vaccine is developed and administered to those who choose to get it. You can look at graphs and numbers and analyze until you are blue in the face - panic or relax- the fact is you have no control universally. Science or no science.

They can keep shutting down and opening up and shutting down and opening up and will get the same result eventually again. Many, if not most people will get the virus- either with symptoms or without. (OK- some will be lucky and not get it). That is the way it is. You can shame people all you want for not wearing masks and not social distancing (which is still suspect as to mass effectiveness), but people are human beings and will never 100 percent conform to all these dictates. The world will never be perfect. I generally look at that as a good thing actually.

So do we want to stay in a lock down indefinitely for a vaccine that might not ever come? If we choose that then know our lives as we knew them could be over anyway. If we open up and run with this it is just that we are going to have to face the facts of the way it will be living with the virus until it is eradicated.

This said- the main thing is to not overwhelm the hospitals and at times measures will have to be taken on a local level to help with that.

If I recall, a month into this thing back in April, Fauci said there would probably be 200,000 deaths AFTER we flattened the curve. So I do not get why people are so surprised and in a panic about hearing about the numbers of deaths so far. It was to be expected. Sure- it's awful, but it's a pandemic and we were told this.

So I go back to my own philosophy on living my life the best I can throughout this. I am generally not scared so I go out. I socialize in very small groups- walking, boating, cocktail parties. No masks and no distancing. I have shaken hands and hugged a couple of people. My son visits us now and I hug him when I see him. I stay away from large crowds, especially indoors. I go to stores when I want to. I eat in and out at restaurants. I get my haircut. I'm going to doctors offices, got my blood drawn, going to the dentist in the fall, etc. I have no big concerns about visiting our timeshare resorts but am cautious. I go to the beach and the state parks and to the pool. I will probably take the big ship and the mail boat out onto the lake as well as some point. I have been in neighbors' cars and them in mine. I wear a mask in buildings, but not outside. My choice. Others choose not to- their choice. If you are scared to go out, don't. If you are not- go for it.

Yeah- we have to navigate through all the various states so called "orders" and decide FOR OURSELVES whether or not to travel. It's a pain.

We have to keep the economy going and people employed. It's all great to stay home and in restrictions if you have money coming into your household or are retired with pensions and SS and big savings accounts - no sweat off your back-or if you do not own a business where you have to struggle with this situation- or are living on government money and could care less, but remember others need to work and the general population needs services. It's all great and tolerable if you live in a nice big house in the suburbs or a rural area instead of a tiny apartment in a major city.

Think of the young people and what this is doing to them- all the young ages from grammar school up to those in their 30's and 40's. I personally do not believe in the government shutting down any businesses, bars, theaters - any of them. Nor churches, schools, concerts, sports, or anything else. If owners choose to do so that is their decision, as it is their decision to operate safely during this time. But that is just me. If you don't then that is your prerogative. No sense in debating it with me or anyone else. Neither one of us can change what is being dictated right now.

I don't care how smart you think you are. No one is "winning". We are all stuck. Let us hope and pray as we go forward,

letting each business owner of concerts, sports, restaurants, bars, etc. set their own individual coronavirus policy could cause problems.
If there are no rules or regulations then yes, some businesses could have higher profits - at the risk of others
That's pretty much how country XXXX works

 

[DannyTS]

I guess this is good news, Yesterday and the day before the number of deaths in Florida went back to the average of the previous weeks. The media continues to focus on the number of infections or on any other number that seems scary that day rather than on the number of deaths.

Sweden continues to do very well reinforcing the idea that the initial shutdown only pushed the the number of infections for few weeks but it it does not change the total number of deaths on a longer period of time.

 

[bluehende]

I know all the cool kids are now bashing Anthony Fauci but here is his actual words spoken in April on how to open up safely.

Here is an article on how the US should follow Germany's lead by using testing and tracing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

[Brett]

I guess this is good news, Yesterday and the day before the number of deaths in Florida went back to the average of the previous weeks. The media continues to focus on the number of infections or on any other number that seems scary that day rather than on the number of deaths.



Sweden continues to do very well reinforcing the idea that the initial shutdown only pushed the the number of infections for few weeks but it it does not change the total number of deaths on a longer period of time.

If only the "media" focused on coronavirus deaths than infections it would all be much better

July 14 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53357742

 

[DannyTS]

If only the "media" focused on coronavirus deaths than infections it would all be much better

July 14 2020

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53357742

LOL you only found it on BBC.com? Did Warner Media or another organization buy BBC? By the way, many times one has to follow the European media for a more balanced prospective.

But you must be right, probably this is all the media in the US covered Yesterday . I guess we know how it works: bad news is promoted to the front line, good news is either minimized or completely ignored.

 

[geekette]

My local media tells me both. They are new numbers today. Adding to a total. And the pending cases (presumed COVID, but not confirmed). And the recovered.

If someone doesn't like what the media they are consuming is focusing on, they can certainly find other outlets. No shortage of them.

 

[Panina]

The problem is everyone is over analyzing this thing. It is really simple if you have a simple mind like mine. The virus is here to stay until a vaccine is developed and administered to those who choose to get it. You can look at graphs and numbers and analyze until you are blue in the face - panic or relax- the fact is you have no control universally. Science or no science.

They can keep shutting down and opening up and shutting down and opening up and will get the same result eventually again. Many, if not most people will get the virus- either with symptoms or without. (OK- some will be lucky and not get it). That is the way it is. You can shame people all you want for not wearing masks and not social distancing (which is still suspect as to mass effectiveness), but people are human beings and will never 100 percent conform to all these dictates. The world will never be perfect. I generally look at that as a good thing actually.

So do we want to stay in a lock down indefinitely for a vaccine that might not ever come? If we choose that then know our lives as we knew them could be over anyway. If we open up and run with this it is just that we are going to have to face the facts of the way it will be living with the virus until it is eradicated.

This said- the main thing is to not overwhelm the hospitals and at times measures will have to be taken on a local level to help with that.

If I recall, a month into this thing back in April, Fauci said there would probably be 200,000 deaths AFTER we flattened the curve. So I do not get why people are so surprised and in a panic about hearing about the numbers of deaths so far. It was to be expected. Sure- it's awful, but it's a pandemic and we were told this.

So I go back to my own philosophy on living my life the best I can throughout this. I am generally not scared so I go out. I socialize in very small groups- walking, boating, cocktail parties. No masks and no distancing. I have shaken hands and hugged a couple of people. My son visits us now and I hug him when I see him. I stay away from large crowds, especially indoors. I go to stores when I want to. I eat in and out at restaurants. I get my haircut. I'm going to doctors offices, got my blood drawn, going to the dentist in the fall, etc. I have no big concerns about visiting our timeshare resorts but am cautious. I go to the beach and the state parks and to the pool. I will probably take the big ship and the mail boat out onto the lake as well as some point. I have been in neighbors' cars and them in mine. I wear a mask in buildings, but not outside. My choice. Others choose not to- their choice. If you are scared to go out, don't. If you are not- go for it.

Yeah- we have to navigate through all the various states so called "orders" and decide FOR OURSELVES whether or not to travel. It's a pain.

We have to keep the economy going and people employed. It's all great to stay home and in restrictions if you have money coming into your household or are retired with pensions and SS and big savings accounts - no sweat off your back-or if you do not own a business where you have to struggle with this situation- or are living on government money and could care less, but remember others need to work and the general population needs services. It's all great and tolerable if you live in a nice big house in the suburbs or a rural area instead of a tiny apartment in a major city.

Think of the young people and what this is doing to them- all the young ages from grammar school up to those in their 30's and 40's. I personally do not believe in the government shutting down any businesses, bars, theaters - any of them. Nor churches, schools, concerts, sports, or anything else. If owners choose to do so that is their decision, as it is their decision to operate safely during this time. But that is just me. If you don't then that is your prerogative. No sense in debating it with me or anyone else. Neither one of us can change what is being dictated right now.

I don't care how smart you think you are. No one is "winning". We are all stuck. Let us hope and pray as we go forward,

I agree everyone is over analyzing. The whole Planet has a problem and scientists cannot agree nor do they have a way to stop it.

A country (or US state) might look like they are handling it better or worse today but that doesn’t mean in a few weeks or days that will stay the same.

Meanwhile each of us has to make the choices that are right for us knowing the risks.

 

[geekette]

LOL you only found it on BBC.com? Did Warner Media or another organization buy BBC? By the way, many times one has to follow the European media for a more balanced prospective.

But you must be right, probably this is all the media in the US covered Yesterday . I guess we know how it works: bad news is promoted to the front line, good news is either minimized or completely ignored.

These attacks are getting old. What are you doing to change the world in a positive way?

 

[DannyTS]

I know all the cool kids are now bashing Anthony Fauci but here is his actual words spoken in April on how to open up safely.

Here is an article on how the US should follow Germany's lead by using testing and tracing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Then a few weeks later:

Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause ‘irreparable damage’

Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage'

"I don't want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go," he tells CNBC.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Brett]

LOL you only found it on BBC.com? Did Warner Media or another organization buy BBC? By the way, many times one has to follow the European media for a more balanced prospective.

But you must be right, probably this is all the media in the US covered Yesterday . I guess we know how it works: bad news is promoted to the front line, good news is either minimized or completely ignored.

LOL !

The headlines are from the Tampa Bay Times in Florida !

yeah, it's all a media conspiracy

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/07/13/florida-counts-12624-coronavirus-infections-on-monday-35-deaths/

 

[DannyTS]

What are you doing to change the world in a positive way?

Is this a philosophical question or a practical one? Is this part of a larger poll on TUGBBS or it is just about me? Are you going to ask the same question to everyone or just the ones you do not agree with?

 

[DannyTS]

LOL !

The headlines are from the Tampa Bay Times in Florida !

yeah, it's all a media conspiracy

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/07/13/florida-counts-12624-coronavirus-infections-on-monday-35-deaths/

That is truly a large national news outlet! Yesterday alone it probably reached tens of millions of people! I think what I said is obvious, news is promoted, minimized or completely ignored depending on certain factors.