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"About a quarter of all patients admitted to the city’s main public hospital over the past two weeks tested positive for the coronavirus, including those who came in from car crashes, heart attacks and other problems."



I don't think it's nefarious at all to think that a dr, should be testing for C19. Not sure why you inferred that from my comments. Of course, all patients in a hospital should be tested for C19, no matter why they are there. It's a contagious disease.

I'm just trying to make the point that an increase in hospitalizations isn't necessarily b/c someone walked in saying "I'm sick with C19". Now that the hospitals are open for elective surgeries, people going to the ER, etc, it stands to reason that patients will be admitted for other reasons and then discovered that they have C19. They will then be classified as a hospitalization w/C19.
Nowhere in that article does it even mention hospitals inflating covid cases which was your comment I replied to.

I actually linked to data that does show that there are increases in hospitalizations due to people walking in saying "I am sick with C19"
 
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I heard this afternoon that Los Angeles is anticipating hospital utilization at 100% next week. I’m still searching for details on this, but with the increase in cases it makes sense to me.
I saw on CBS News that L.A. hospital beds would reach 100% next month, and that one person out of 146 in L.A. County was positive and don't know it. This is serious folks!

As I see it, we are getting blasted with such an assault of information, and without any uniform guidance, that everyone is free to cherry-pick whatever set of statistics they want to back up their own opinions and prejudices. Meanwhile people get sick and many die.
 

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Read today that where State has strict and enforced Masking Policy infection rates are going down. Where there is no Policy or Policy not enforced (Florida, Texas, California) rates are sky rocketing. When testing shows 5% or less positive it is considered under control.

By the way are you ready for the next Swine Flu coming out of guess where - China.
 

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Read today that where State has strict and enforced Masking Policy infection rates are going down. Where there is no Policy or Policy not enforced (Florida, Texas, California) rates are sky rocketing. When testing shows 5% or less positive it is considered under control.

By the way are you ready for the next Swine Flu coming out of guess where - China.
California has a mandatory mask policy. I think parts of Florida also have mandatory mask policies. I have friends and family in FL and my friend says masks are required in Dade and Broward counties but I could be wrong. Actually, Just heard on CNN that mask mandate is being enforced in Miami with fines.

Just some anecdotal data. Today I heard we have had about 4-5 covid cases in our small country club community. We have about 300 families living here. The first reported case has already completely recovered and her husband never tested positive. The other families are currently doing a quarantine as they recover. They did contact tracing on all cases and told us when and where they had been. We get weekly updates on the status. Our club is slowing down the reopening and requiring masks, social distancing, hand hygiene, etc.

Also, anyone in California who reports possible symptoms to their doctor is sent for Covid testing first to rule it out before looking at other possibilities. This happened to me and I tested negative, then we figured out the source of my symptoms and I am recovering now.

I have always been more concerned about death rates than cases. I always assumed that when the re-openings started, that cases would go up. I think the media should do more reporting on death rates and compare that to other countries. We might not actually be as bad off as it seems. More testing = more cases. Younger people getting sick = less deaths. Most people do not get severely ill and most recover. Many people are asymptomatic. This has not changed from the beginning of the outbreak. Only the numbers are changing.

I joined a FB group of people who have recovered from Covid. There is some positive news in that group. There was a great story yesterday of someone who has recovered, he has a positive attitude and he is challenging himself to exercise and get involved with life. Of course, I assume that this group would self select so its members would have had more serious cases than average.

I am ready to start carefully getting out of my house. This weekend, we are having some friends over for July 4th weekend. I have not seen them since Thanksgiving so this will be fun. We are just staying home and hanging out, taking walks, eating good meals and going in the pool. I am hoping to drive down to Morgan Hill to visit some other friends as soon as they have time.

I am also looking into volunteer opportunities with CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates). I was previously approved to volunteer but for personal reasons I did not move forward. The email said "During the pandemic, there has been an immense increase in youth who have been removed from their homes and placed in foster care due to neglect and abuse." I think the timing is right to do something meaningful for my community. I am hoping my approval is still valid so I can participate in the August training. It is being done by Zoom due to Covid. This is a very sad outcome of Covid. To me, abusing children is worse than dying from Covid.

I have been busy this week in looking on how to live my post Covid life. Nothing will be the same anymore, at least not for awhile, but I am tired of isolating at home if there are safe ways to get out.

BTW, I think we are past the mask debate. I was skeptical in the beginning when the advice first changed but I have bought into it for now. (Thanks to TUG, you guys influenced me so these threads do work!) I do not debate it anymore. Like I said in months prior, I have always worn a mask in case it helps. My blue masks finally arrived so I have a good supply now. My husband also found a package of 50 in the store. I think everyone should wear a mask. It is the right thing to do based on what we know today. I wish we had a federal mandate or a consistent state mandate in every state. I am tired of seeing massless people protesting for their rights to spread the disease. The country is in trouble and we need to work together to defeat Covid.
 
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Read today that where State has strict and enforced Masking Policy infection rates are going down. Where there is no Policy or Policy not enforced (Florida, Texas, California) rates are sky rocketing. When testing shows 5% or less positive it is considered under control.

By the way are you ready for the next Swine Flu coming out of guess where - China.
I'm not challenging you on this post, just confused -- I thought I read that CA has a statewide mask policy.

Maybe it's new enough that the policy hasn't "kicked in".

Hard to keep track & to make sense of it all.
 

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I'm not challenging you on this post, just confused -- I thought I read that CA has a statewide mask policy.

Maybe it's new enough that the policy hasn't "kicked in".

Hard to keep track & to make sense of it all.
Yes we have a mandatory mask policy in CA and more people are complying. There is very high compliance in the urban/suburban areas from what I hear and growing compliance in the semi-rural and rural areas. I think mask usage is up from before the mandate but this is just anecdotal and I do not have a study to support it.
 

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...I am also looking into volunteer opportunities with CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates). I was previously approved to volunteer but for personal reasons I did not move forward. The email said "During the pandemic, there has been an immense increase in youth who have been removed from their homes and placed in foster care due to neglect and abuse." I think the timing is right to do something meaningful for my community. I am hoping my approval is still valid so I can participate in the August training. It is being done by Zoom due to Covid. This is a very sad outcome of Covid. To me, abusing children is worse than dying from Covid...
If this is the same CASA as we have around here, (and I believe it to be), high marks to you @TravelTime for doing this! As you might recall, I work in a public school at the elementary level and the stories we both know all too well about what kids have to endure is heart breaking. I see a steady increase in the number of kids coming from single parent homes and it is much more likely those kids are going to find trouble than kids from 2 parent households where mom and dad are both actively parenting. To be sure, there are some single parent households doing an unbelievable job but the odds are so stacked against them. CASA (at least in our area) advocates operate as a guide for the child through the legal system and offer perspectives to the judge about what is best for the child. It is a hard job that (unfortunately) has a lot of demand these days. Best of luck to you as you pursue this!
 

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California has a mandatory mask policy. I think parts of Florida also have mandatory mask policies. I have friends and family in FL and my friend says masks are required in Dade and Broward counties but I could be wrong. Actually, Just heard on CNN that mask mandate is being enforced in Miami with fines.

Just some anecdotal data. Today I heard we have had about 4-5 covid cases in our small country club community. We have about 300 families living here. The first reported case has already completely recovered and her husband never tested positive. The other families are currently doing a quarantine as they recover. They did contact tracing on all cases and told us when and where they had been. We get weekly updates on the status. Our club is slowing down the reopening and requiring masks, social distancing, hand hygiene, etc.

Also, anyone in California who reports possible symptoms to their doctor is sent for Covid testing first to rule it out before looking at other possibilities. This happened to me and I tested negative, then we figured out the source of my symptoms and I am recovering now.

I have always been more concerned about death rates than cases. I always assumed that when the re-openings started, that cases would go up. I think the media should do more reporting on death rates and compare that to other countries. We might not actually be as bad off as it seems. More testing = more cases. Younger people getting sick = less deaths. Most people do not get severely ill and most recover. Many people are asymptomatic. This has not changed from the beginning of the outbreak. Only the numbers are changing.

I joined a FB group of people who have recovered from Covid. There is some positive news in that group. There was a great story yesterday of someone who has recovered, he has a positive attitude and he is challenging himself to exercise and get involved with life. Of course, I assume that this group would self select so its members would have had more serious cases than average.

I am ready to start carefully getting out of my house. This weekend, we are having some friends over for July 4th weekend. I have not seen them since Thanksgiving so this will be fun. We are just staying home and hanging out, taking walks, eating good meals and going in the pool. I am hoping to drive down to Morgan Hill to visit some other friends as soon as they have time.

I am also looking into volunteer opportunities with CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates). I was previously approved to volunteer but for personal reasons I did not move forward. The email said "During the pandemic, there has been an immense increase in youth who have been removed from their homes and placed in foster care due to neglect and abuse." I think the timing is right to do something meaningful for my community. I am hoping my approval is still valid so I can participate in the August training. It is being done by Zoom due to Covid. This is a very sad outcome of Covid. To me, abusing children is worse than dying from Covid.

I have been busy this week in looking on how to live my post Covid life. Nothing will be the same anymore, at least not for awhile, but I am tired of isolating at home if there are safe ways to get out.

BTW, I think we are past the mask debate. I was skeptical in the beginning when the advice first changed but I have bought into it for now. (Thanks to TUG, you guys influenced me so these threads do work!) I do not debate it anymore. Like I said in months prior, I have always worn a mask in case it helps. My blue masks finally arrived so I have a good supply now. My husband also found a package of 50 in the store. I think everyone should wear a mask. It is the right thing to do based on what we know today. I wish we had a federal mandate or a consistent state mandate in every state. I am tired of seeing massless people protesting for their rights to spread the disease. The country is in trouble and we need to work together to defeat Covid.
In FL the Governor over rode local mask requirements up to june 19. Miami put theirs in on june 23.
 

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If this is the same CASA as we have around here, (and I believe it to be), high marks to you @TravelTime for doing this! As you might recall, I work in a public school at the elementary level and the stories we both know all too well about what kids have to endure is heart breaking. I see a steady increase in the number of kids coming from single parent homes and it is much more likely those kids are going to find trouble than kids from 2 parent households where mom and dad are both actively parenting. To be sure, there are some single parent households doing an unbelievable job but the odds are so stacked against them. CASA (at least in our area) advocates operate as a guide for the child through the legal system and offer perspectives to the judge about what is best for the child. It is a hard job that (unfortunately) has a lot of demand these days. Best of luck to you as you pursue this!
I think it is the same CASA. There are CASAs in various counties throughout the USA, from what I understand. The concept is the same but tailored to the needs of the county.
 

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I'm not challenging you on this post, just confused -- I thought I read that CA has a statewide mask policy.

Maybe it's new enough that the policy hasn't "kicked in".
It is only a week or two old, so that may be the case.

It is interesting looking at Colorado (my home) data. We only had a state-wide recommendation for masks, but a few counties have issued orders. My county issued mask orders mid-May, and looking at the current data, it is doing much better than most counties despite being one of the more populated counties. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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That may be so. I am a bit tired of debating this.
So am I. It’s just absurd to say or imply that more tests create more cases. It doesn’t work like that... we need more testing so we know more accurately how many true cases there are. Testing doesn’t create cases...

No, more testing doesn’t explain the rise of covid-19 cases in the U.S.

WHO says record coronavirus numbers is not just because of more testing


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More testing will show fewer cases than less testing? :shrug: :wall:
See above. That’s not the issue.


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So am I. It’s just absurd to say or imply that more tests create more cases. It doesn’t work like that... we need more testing so we know more accurately how many true cases there are. Testing doesn’t create cases...

No, more testing doesn’t explain the rise of covid-19 cases in the U.S.

WHO says record coronavirus numbers is not just because of more testing


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Who said more testing creates more cases? Clearly, more testing will show more positive cases, unless there aren't any.
 

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So am I. It’s just absurd to say or imply that more tests create more cases. It doesn’t work like that... we need more testing so we know more accurately how many true cases there are. Testing doesn’t create cases...

No, more testing doesn’t explain the rise of covid-19 cases in the U.S.

WHO says record coronavirus numbers is not just because of more testing


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Do you feel like people comply with the mask order in your county ? WE have a state-wide mask order and I feel that there is very high compliance where I live. Certainly not all, but a large percentage of people are wearing them in stores, for instance.
 

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It’s just absurd to say or imply that more tests create more cases. It doesn’t work like that...
Of course it doesn't. More tests DETECT more cases. Which is why "new cases" is a useless measure of the effect of Covid-19. The end result, deaths, is a "truer" measure of the effect of Covid-19.
 
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Who said more testing creates more cases? Clearly, more testing will show more positive cases, unless there aren't any.
When someone posts “more testing = more cases” (scroll up for the post) it’s either an incomplete thought or they mean testing creates cases. Absolutely more testing will discover more cases, but the current estimate is that we have significantly more cases than we think, as some of us postulated here months ago. I suspect you and I actually agree on how this is done.


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Do you feel like people comply with the mask order in your county ? WE have a state-wide mask order and I feel that there is very high compliance where I live. Certainly not all, but a large percentage of people are wearing them in stores, for instance.
I’m in Los Angeles. We have had a mask requirement since mid-May. Yes, I think most people are wearing masks.


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Of course it doesn't. More tests DETECT more cases. Which is why "new cases" is a useless measure of the effect of Covid-19.
It’s my understanding that the reason for testing is to confirm how prevalent the disease has spread, not that they are seeking “new cases”.


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It’s my understanding that the reason for testing is to confirm how prevalent the disease has spread, not that they are seeking “new cases”.
It is my understanding that Covid-19 testing is mostly on the order of a doctor for patients presenting Covid-19 symptoms. It has nothing to do with the prevalence of the spread, which would be based on random testing.

If this is true, the actual infection rate or death rate could be flattened or going down while the "new positive case rate" goes up.
 

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It is my understanding that Covid-19 testing is mostly on the order of a doctor for patients presenting Covid-19 symptoms. It has nothing to do with the prevalence of the spread, which would be based on random testing.

If this is true, the actual infection rate or death rate could be flattened or going down while the "new positive case rate" goes up.
Of course testing is important for those who believe they have C19. But the reason experts keep saying we need much more testing is because they want to know the full extent of the spread. So yes, two goals. I really didn’t think I needed to state the obvious about testing those who are sick, but I guess I should have.


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