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Can someone please explain how short stays work [2017 Thread]

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Need help understanding how short stays work with WorldMark if I upgrade to a platinum account. Also what are the fees

Unless I'm missing something I could find nothing in my owner portal explaining this.
 

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Need help understanding how short stays work with WorldMark if I upgrade to a platinum account. Also what are the fees

Unless I'm missing something I could find nothing in my owner portal explaining this.
This sounds like it belongs in the Wyndham Vacations Forum, because there is no Platinum account in WorldMark. Also, every WorldMark owner has short stay privileges if reserved less than 10 months in advance, no VIP status required.

The question must be related to short stays in WorldMark through Platinum Wyndham using Club Pass. There is no advantage, because every Club Wyndham owner using Club Pass has the same privileges at 9 months in advance, no VIP status (Platinum or otherwise) required.

(OK, maybe Wyndham Platinum VIP get free housekeeping on Club Pass exchanges. Don't know about that. Send it to the Wyndham forum for an answer.)
 
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This sounds like it belongs in the Wyndham Vacations Forum, because there is no Platinum account in WorldMark. Also, every WorldMark owner has short stay privileges if reserved less than 10 months in advance.

The question must be related to short stays in WorldMark through Platinum Wyndham using Club Pass.
No the OP is asking about II short stay options available with an upgraded gold or platinum account.

I don't have a world mark account but I can give the basics of the short stay program- which I have never used mainly because of the inventory available in the program.

Short stays are a fairly small subset of the total II inventory. It has some last minute inventory in moderately popular places during shoulder season. It has some prime inventory in places like Orlando but generally not at the higher tiered resorts in larger sizes. It also has some inventory during low season at more locations. With points you pay per night with weekends costing more points than weekdays. There is an exchange fee involved as well based on the number of nights. I think it probably starts around $129 or so for one night up to $159 for 5 or 6 nights online. Even though the fee is the same for regular exchanges phone or online, short stays still give a discount for online bookings.

With a regular account you can see the the short stay inventory without being gold or platinum, it just says you have to pay to upgrade before it will actually let you book.
 

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Yes I am referring to WorldMark being exchanged into a Platinum II account and used for short stays,

I am trying to understand the credits required, the cost for the stays, and how long the rest of your week lasts before it expires.

I understand you can search for short stays first. But when I do the available exchanges also show the number short stay points required where do these points come from?
 

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Yes I am referring to WorldMark being exchanged into a Platinum II account and used for short stays,
OK, so it belongs in the Exchanging forum, not the WorldMark forum. There is no Platinum account in WorldMark to upgrade to.
 

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CO Skier -

Quit getting hung up on the word platinum. My question belongs in WM area it is in regards to how a Platinum Interval International Exchange account works with Worldmark for shot stays. My question is Worldmark specific.
 

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Quit getting hung up on the word platinum. My question belongs in WM area it is in regards to how a Platinum Interval International Exchange account works with Worldmark for shot stays. My question is Worldmark specific.
It has more to do with exchanging than WorldMark, but have it your way.

You will get more information about Interval Internation Platinum in the Exchange forum.
 

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It has more to do with exchanging than WorldMark, but have it your way.

You will get more information about Interval Internation Platinum in the Exchange forum.

You clearly don't understand what is being asked here and the uniqueness of WM trades through II. The question is WM specific and requires another WM owner who has utilized this option. That isn't you so why do you insist on butting in? Give it a rest.

Yes I am referring to WorldMark being exchanged into a Platinum II account and used for short stays,

I am trying to understand the credits required, the cost for the stays, and how long the rest of your week lasts before it expires.

I understand you can search for short stays first. But when I do the available exchanges also show the number short stay points required where do these points come from?

I don't think you will find your answer here. There just aren't enough WM owners who have done the short stay option. The only ones I've heard of are via the older posts on wmowners that you referenced on your post there. There aren't enough resort options and, from what I understand in the past, the exchanges cost too much to make it worthwhile. If I remember correctly from when it was instituted, the cost in credits for a partial week was the same or almost the same as a full week. Please call the WM II desk and report back if you are able to find the answers.

Sue
 

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@sue1947, thanks for adding the needed context re: II's Platinum program.

@breezez : Sorry -- I'm another long-time WM owner who hasn't bothered with II's Platinum program, although I do maintain and enjoy a standard II account. Hope you find what you need and can provide a summary update?
 

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So, the points listed on the shortstay page are the points required to complete the exchange. They are withdrawn from your Worldmark account just as a normal exchange will withdraw points. You will be charged an exchange fee for each shortstay exchange. The number of days selected/available will determine the exchange fee(s) and the points required. For example, right now, using a 3br float for shortstay, I could book 3br HHI unit for 1 day or 6 days. The 3br unit is 1900-7000 (approx.) points for 1 to 6 days. The same type unit (Elite, off season) in a 2br runs 1600-6000 points. Exchange fees and points charts below.

Here's the real rub: Do they take a HKT? Previous shortstay exchanges have reported yes and no. They have also reported that II took the full 10,000 points for the exchange instead of the shortstay points. They were refunded the difference and the HKT (if charged). Both II and Worldmark reps indicate that they MAY take a HKT. I would recommend not asking the question. Just wait and see if they do. I'm sure they'll charge you one if you insist. :confused:

Also, keep in mind that you could simply exchange the week (if it is in instant exchange) for only 4000 points inside of 59 days. Two weeks for 8000 points. So, always decide the cost of what you want to do (and whether full or shortstay exchange) before confirming the exchange.

If I ever get the chance to actually book a shortstay (I always need to think before booking....oops too late) then I'll update.


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I'm a Worldmark owner, and the only short stays I can think of are bonus time days where you can reserve up to 4 days based on availability in the next two weeks. Otherwise, when you book your regular week, you are using points and can shorten as much as you like. We often stay Sun-Thur and avoid the expensive Fri-Sat nights.
 

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I'm a Worldmark owner, and the only short stays I can think of are bonus time days where you can reserve up to 4 days based on availability in the next two weeks. Otherwise, when you book your regular week, you are using points and can shorten as much as you like. We often stay Sun-Thur and avoid the expensive Fri-Sat nights.

Nope, nope.

Folks, Shortstay Vacations is an Interval International Exchange option for Gold/Platinum memberships.
Because the question relates directly to Worldmark-shortstays (and not just II) it's appropriate for this forum.

Go to Interval and see for yourself.
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So, the points listed on the shortstay page are the points required to complete the exchange. They are withdrawn from your Worldmark account just as a normal exchange will withdraw points. You will be charged an exchange fee for each shortstay exchange. The number of days selected/available will determine the exchange fee(s) and the points required. For example, right now, using a 3br float for shortstay, I could book 3br HHI unit for 1 day or 6 days. The 3br unit is 1900-7000 (approx.) points for 1 to 6 days. The same type unit (Elite, off season) in a 2br runs 1600-6000 points. Exchange fees and points charts below.

Here's the real rub: Do they take a HKT? Previous shortstay exchanges have reported yes and no. They have also reported that II took the full 10,000 points for the exchange instead of the shortstay points. They were refunded the difference and the HKT (if charged). Both II and Worldmark reps indicate that they MAY take a HKT. I would recommend not asking the question. Just wait and see if they do. I'm sure they'll charge you one if you insist. :confused:

Also, keep in mind that you could simply exchange the week (if it is in instant exchange) for only 4000 points inside of 59 days. Two weeks for 8000 points. So, always decide the cost of what you want to do (and whether full or shortstay exchange) before confirming the exchange.

If I ever get the chance to actually book a shortstay (I always need to think before booking....oops too late) then I'll update.


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Great info! From this chart, it appears that fewer points are used for short stay. When I look at 2BR, for 7 days itis only 6,600. Obviously short stay only goes up to 6 days.
 

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Taterhed,

Thanks for all the great info. I always wondered if the points shown was the WM points required but was always scared to finish the exchange fearing amount of credits I would be charged.

One thing I hate about II is I never see credits being used in check out process unless I'm missing something you only know once they have transferred. So knowing the small point numbers on the short stay exchanges is truly the WM credits is a big help.

I live west coast FL with lots of Hyatt's. I have an abundance of WM credits and would love to use for short stays at theses resorts. Even with exchange fee, I think it would work out as a better value than buying a Hyatt TS and costs would be on par or slightly less than Hyatt MF's
 

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I have never seen any shortstays that are desirable when I looked at it a couple of years ago. Over supply and in shoulder seasons. Has it changed?
 

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Depends on your definition of good and your ability to do very short notice stays

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Taterhed,

Thanks for all the great info. I always wondered if the points shown was the WM points required but was always scared to finish the exchange fearing amount of credits I would be charged.

One thing I hate about II is I never see credits being used in check out process unless I'm missing something you only know once they have transferred. So knowing the small point numbers on the short stay exchanges is truly the WM credits is a big help.

I live west coast FL with lots of Hyatt's. I have an abundance of WM credits and would love to use for short stays at theses resorts. Even with exchange fee, I think it would work out as a better value than buying a Hyatt TS and costs would be on par or slightly less than Hyatt MF's
Please please do reply with the total charges and hkt situation if you eventually reserve
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Off Point from the original poster's question but because of an inaccurate response above. Platinum is a word associated with Worldmark Accounts/Membership. In the Worldmark World there are WM Points. These are Points acquired on the Secondary Market after a set date in November 2006. There are WM+A Points. These are Worldmark Points acquired from what ever source prior to a set date in November 2006. Then there are Travelshare Points. These are Points acquired from the Developer after the set date in November 2006. There are 4 levels of Travelshare depending on how many Points you acquire from the Developer - Travelshare (6,000 - 19,999) Travelshare Silver Elite (20,000 - 34,999), Travelshare Diamond Elite (35,000 - 62,999), and Travelshare Platinum Elite ( 63,000 +)
 
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Off Point from the original poster's question but because of an inaccurate response above. Platinum is a word associated with Worldmark Accounts/Membership. In the Worldmark World there are WM Points. These are Points acquired on the Secondary Market after a set date in November 2006. There are WM+A Points. These are Worldmark Points acquired from what ever source prior to a set date in November 2006. Then there are Travelshare Points. These are Points acquired from the Developer after the set date in November 2006. There are 4 levels of Travelshare depending on how many Points you acquire from the Developer - Travelshare (6,000 - 19,999) Travelshare Silver Elite (20,000 - 34,999), Travelshare Diamond Elite (35,000 - 62,999), and Travelshare Platinum Elite ( 63,000 +)


Platinum is also an upgraded level of a Interval Exchange Account, this platinum is the one I am referring to!

A Platinum Interval Account allows you less than full week stays same as an RCI Points account.

Also in Worldmark we call them credits not points ;)
 

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Taterhed,

I'll be okay on the HK I have an NHK account so this will eliminate any need for extra HK for me.
 

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I understood what you were talking about. I was responding to the person above that said,the word "Platinum" is not associated in any way with Worldmark. Also I have been with Worldmark for over 15 years and you can call them Points or Credits.
 

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I got OP's question right away. It takes someone with Worldmark account and II gold/platinum accounts to understand OP's question. I just did not have the answer as I have never used my Worldmark for external exchange nor have I used II shortstays.
 

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Taterhed,

I'll be okay on the HK I have an NHK account so this will eliminate any need for extra HK for me.
Okay, now I'm Jelly.

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I understood what you were talking about. I was responding to the person above that said,the word "Platinum" is not associated in any way with Worldmark. Also I have been with Worldmark for over 15 years and you can call them Points or Credits.


Understood, Glad you have gotten 15 years of great use out of WM. I have had 3 and love it. Just hope WYN doesn't ruin it or change policies to make the few unhappy people who are mad about people renting. I have never rented, but cringe every time they beg for change to curb the so called mega renters. Each time the board changes stuff they also take flexibility from everyday owners who just use their accounts for personal use. This current flexibility is what makes WM so great in the first place.
 

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I agree. If you are not you should become a Member of www.wmowners.com and its Forum. It is free. There has been a lot of discussion about the Megarenters and what if anything should be done. The opinion is about evenly divided. I am on the side of do nothing at least for a couple years while we see how last year's changes shake out.
 
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