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Attention: All Airbus A320's Grounded! Your travel plans may be impacted. 6000 jets affected worldwide.

2 hour software update for most planes. Flight to HNL tomorrow delayed 3 hours, likely related.
 
What airline is flying A320s to HNL?
Hawaiian Air A321. This is on the list. Not sure the variant, but they show it is delayed 3+ hours more than a day ahead of time makes me thing they have it scheduled for update.

A319-111
A319-112
A319-113.
A319-114
A319-115
A319-131
A319-132
A319-133
A319-151N
A319-153N
A319-171N
A319-173N

A320-211
A320-212
A320-214
A320-215
A320-216
A320-231
A320-232
A320-233
A320-251N
A320-252N
A320-253N
A320-271N
A320-272N
A320-273N

A321-211
A321-212
A321-213
A321-231
A321-232
A321-251N
A321-251NX
A321-252N
A321-252NX
A321-253N
A321-253NX
A321-271N
A321-271NX
A321-272N
A321-272NX

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I guess I don't know why they don't just do a software update overnight.
 
I guess I don't know why they don't just do a software update overnight.
That seems, to a degree, what they will be doing if they expect most planes to be updated by Sunday. They need to still schedule these types of updated. Every plane can't be updated at the same time and planes probably can't be updated while they are in the air. Many planes fly through the night.
 
I guess I don't know why they don't just do a software update overnight.
Understandable. Aircraft maintenance and upgrades like these are not easy for people to understand.
Certain facilities may or may not have the ability to upgrade the software, and not all planes sit RON (overnight). Flights may or may not have down time overnight, they don't sleep like people.

The aircraft/flight I reference for example leaves Salt Lake City Saturday at 7AM MST on Saturday, arrive at HNL at 1030 (on time currently), and leaves for SAN at noon HST (3:30 hours late.)

Given that they have already shown the flight is 3+ hours late the day before it is supposed to leave from HNL to SAN and SAN to HNL, it is most likely that they will be upgrading the software during that delay in HNL where HA is based.
 
Wow we were on an AA 320 this morning. We just made it before this latest crisis.
 
From what I heard. The problem occured on Oct 30. Took the authorities a month to investigate and make today's announcement.
Well many of those planes have been flying for 20 years. Probably not that urgent.
 
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Well many of those planes have been flying for 20 years. Probably not that urgent.
RTFM: This is a latent issue with the fly by wire programming that was revealed by solar radiation (solar storm) corrupting the navigation data. This issue may have always been present or it may have been introduced from a previous software update that certification testing did not identify.

While the planes may have been flying for 20 years, they receive periodic software updates during maintenance to address "bugs" and add enhancements. Also, as hardware is replaced and updated (engines, avionics ... ) the software is updated to keep the UI (user interface) the same, so pilots aren't faced with additional retraining. This is an area where Boeing had trouble with the 737 MAX. The Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) had an issue:

Because the CFM International LEAP engine used on the 737 MAX was larger and mounted further forward from the wing and higher off the ground than on previous generations of the 737, Boeing discovered that the aircraft had a tendency to push the nose up when operating in a specific portion of the flight envelope (flaps up, high angle of attack, manual flight). MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous Boeing 737 Next Generation. The company indicated that this change eliminated the need for pilots to have simulator training on the new aircraft.

Commercial aircraft aren't like the car in your driveway. If they are not carrying paying passengers, they are costing money, so they are running as much as possible between scheduled maintenance.
 
The current misery map at 12:17 EST

Chicago is a nightmare because of weather

Hard to see if the software updates to Airbus is causing a significant problem in air travel at this point

 
In an article in the USA Today this morning, it appears most upgrades will be done within days, or have been done already.

"American Airlines said it had 209 affected A320-family aircraft — fewer than initially thought — and that nearly all required Airbus software updates would be completed Friday, Nov. 28, with the remaining few finished by Nov. 29, well before the safety directive takes effect.
Delta Air Lines expects the directive will apply to a small portion of its Airbus A320 family fleet. "As safety comes before everything else, Delta will fully comply with a directive and expects any resulting operational impact to be limited," the airline told USA TODAY
United Airlines told USA TODAY that only "six aircraft in our fleet are affected, and we expect minor disruption to a few flights."
A Frontier spokesperson told USA TODAY the airline is evaluating the order and will continue to provide updates.
Spirit Airlines and Frontier Airlines both operate Airbus A320-family aircraft exclusively.
JetBlue, also a major operator of the type, told USA TODAY it is "working closely with the FAA, Airbus, and our business partners to quickly address an issue identified with flight control software on certain A320 and A321 aircraft operated by carriers worldwide. We’ve already started work on the affected aircraft." The airline added that it would notify customers of any flight changes.

If the airlines can't quickly implement the fix, there could potentially be thousands of flights canceled in the coming days. But that extreme scenario already seems somewhat unlikely."


~Diane
 
Well many of those planes have been flying for 20 years. Probably not that urgent.
Actually it has nothing to do with the age of the planes. A recent software update introduced a flaw in the logic which caused the issue when the unit is exposed to higher than normal levels of solar radiation. This introduced a flight control issue in the fly by wire system. The "fix" they are currently employing is actually to roll back the software to an earlier version.

However, some aircraft actually need new hardware installed as the software patch is insufficient.
 
What's your particular beef with Juan Blancolirio?
In my opinion he is much like the other aviation social media folks who post edited videos with obnoxious graphics, containing mostly unsupported opinions as fact. Yes he has a lot of knowledge and expertise but misuses this to speculate and generate clicks. Even his "name" (Blancolirio) is fake.
 
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